Does God need to prove He exists?
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From: Free Lunch on 28 Jun 2008 15:46 On Sat, 28 Jun 2008 12:07:48 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwinn3(a)juno.com> wrote in alt.atheism: >On Jun 28, 7:04?am, Free Lunch <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote: >> On Sat, 28 Jun 2008 07:01:05 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> >> wrote in alt.atheism: >> >> >On Jun 28, 12:21?am, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: >> >> rbwinn wrote: >> >> ... >> >> >> > No, you were trying to hedge your bets. ?You do not believe in faith, >> >> > but you are "on the edge of faith", so that counts in case you need to >> >> > have faith. ?I know how atheists think. >> >> >> Why would I need to hedge my bets? I believe in faith, I just don't >> >> think it's rational. And believe me, you really *don't* know how >> >> atheists think.- Hide quoted text - >> >> >> - Show quoted text - >> >> >I know far better than atheists how they think. ?They have made a >> >wrong choice, so their options are limited. >> >> Your lies are indefensible. You celebrate the evil that you have fallen >> into. > >I thought you atheists did not believe evil exists. If there is no >devil, everything is good, isn't it? Once again, you foolishly conflate evil with the devil. Evil manages to exist without the help of a god of the Christian pantheon.
From: Free Lunch on 28 Jun 2008 15:48 On Sat, 28 Jun 2008 12:02:17 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwinn3(a)juno.com> wrote in alt.atheism: >On Jun 28, 7:01?am, Free Lunch <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote: >> On Sat, 28 Jun 2008 06:50:12 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> >> wrote in alt.atheism: >> >> >On Jun 27, 9:31?pm, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: >> >> ... >> >> >> Is this what you think? >> >> >> 1. Hezekiah's tunnel is described in the Bible. >> >> 2. Hezekiah's tunnel really exists. >> >> 3. Therefore, God exists.- Hide quoted text - >> >> >> - Show quoted text - >> >> >Well, all three statements are true, but you have them in the wrong >> >order. ?Therefore , God exists, should be the first statement. >> >> There is absolutely no evidence that God exists, so you are wrong in >> drawing that conclusion. > >There is no evidence that an atheist would accept. So why do atheists >worry about it so much? There is no evidence. Don't try to make excuses. You have no evidence at all. You know that.
From: Free Lunch on 28 Jun 2008 15:50 On Sat, 28 Jun 2008 12:11:54 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwinn3(a)juno.com> wrote in alt.atheism: >On Jun 28, 7:17?am, Free Lunch <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote: >> On Sat, 28 Jun 2008 07:05:42 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> >> wrote in alt.atheism: >> >> >> >> >> >> >On Jun 28, 12:26?am, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: >> >> rbwinn wrote: >> >> > On Jun 27, 6:42?pm, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: >> >> >> Jack wrote: >> >> >>>> I am upset by *people* who >> >> >>>> believe that the Bible is anything more than mythology and try ?to impose >> >> >>>> their >> >> >>>> beliefs on me ?using the Bible as evidence. >> >> >>> How can someone impose a belief on you? ?Just believe whatever you want to >> >> >>> believe. >> >> >> The wrong part is when people attempt to use the myth to formulate >> >> >> public policy or indoctrinate children or inform foreign policy. >> >> >> > Well, actually they use fables. ?The apostles Paul said they would be >> >> > turned to fables in the last days. ?A fable is a story about animals >> >> > like the story about monkeys turning into humans. >> >> >> Wow, you're ignorant about evolution. Colour me surprised. >> >> >In what way am I ignorant about evolution? >> >> Monkeys and humans do share a common ancestor. Your denial of the fact >> does not change that fact.- Hide quoted text - >> >> - Show quoted text - > >Charles Darwin was not my ancestor. So? Evolution happens. Learn to deal with reality.
From: Free Lunch on 28 Jun 2008 15:56 On Sat, 28 Jun 2008 12:12:38 -0700 (PDT), "William T. Goat" <ericvonl(a)my-deja.com> wrote in alt.atheism: >On May 28, 2:46�pm, mitch.nicolas.raem...(a)gmail.com wrote: >> On May 28, 9:08�am, Antares 531 <gordonlrDEL...(a)swbell.net> wrote: >> >> >> >> > On Wed, 28 May 2008 11:46:36 -0400, "Geoff" <geb...(a)yahoo.nospam.com> >> > wrote: >> >> > >mitch.nicolas.raem...(a)gmail.com wrote: >> >> > >> Science thinks it knows alot? Ask it in a million years. >> >> > >Religion claims to know everything. It has been shown to be wrong >> > >innumerable times. >> >> > Quite the contrary, religion acknowledges that there is an infinitude >> > of information that we don't understand..."for now we see through a >> > glass, darkly." �But, in the next life we will see it all, very >> > clearly. This is why our current acceptance is based upon faith, >> > instead of knowledge. >> >> > Gordon >> >> God does not exist in the same way that physical objects exist. >> >> Mitch Raemsch > >Then perhaps "exist" is the wrong word to use. It's misleading. > >--Billy Yes, he would have been much better off if he had stopped after four words.
From: BURT on 28 Jun 2008 16:17
On Jun 28, 11:12 am, "William T. Goat" <ericv...(a)my-deja.com> wrote: > On May 28, 2:46 pm, mitch.nicolas.raem...(a)gmail.com wrote: > > > > > > > On May 28, 9:08 am, Antares 531 <gordonlrDEL...(a)swbell.net> wrote: > > > > On Wed, 28 May 2008 11:46:36 -0400, "Geoff" <geb...(a)yahoo.nospam.com> > > > wrote: > > > > >mitch.nicolas.raem...(a)gmail.com wrote: > > > > >> Science thinks it knows alot? Ask it in a million years. > > > > >Religion claims to know everything. It has been shown to be wrong > > > >innumerable times. > > > > Quite the contrary, religion acknowledges that there is an infinitude > > > of information that we don't understand..."for now we see through a > > > glass, darkly." But, in the next life we will see it all, very > > > clearly. This is why our current acceptance is based upon faith, > > > instead of knowledge. > > > > Gordon > > > God does not exist in the same way that physical objects exist. > > > Mitch Raemsch > > Then perhaps "exist" is the wrong word to use. It's misleading. > > --Billy- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - No. Exist is the right word. "I want to know how God created this universe. I want to know His thoughts. All the rest are just details." Albert Einstein |