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From: nospam on 11 Jun 2010 18:06 In article <huubo3$i71$1(a)lust.ihug.co.nz>, Your Name <your.name(a)isp.com> wrote: > The modifier keys didn't even exist (in the sense of an extra mouse button > click) in the original Mac operating systems. yes they did, but they were almost always an additional way to do something, not the only way. > I'm not sure when they came > in, possibly System 7 or Mac OS 8. Even then they weren't actually needed - > everything could be done via normal menus and / or keyboard shortcuts ... > the pop-up contectual menus were simply added for the lazy. those appeared well before system 7 but not that many people cared. many still don't.
From: nospam on 11 Jun 2010 18:09 In article <huuc14$ia5$1(a)lust.ihug.co.nz>, Your Name <your.name(a)isp.com> wrote: > > > Lightspeed / Think Pascal is probably THE best programming environment > > > used (and there's been of lots of them). > > > > was > > Nope, still is in my opinion ... I've yet to find anything better, although > obviously I haven't tried absolutely everything available. codewarrior in its later releases blew away lightspeed/think c/pascal. > > > The updated Think Pascal works OK on my beige G3, although it probably > > > doesn't have all the libraries to access new features of OS 8 and OS 9 > > > make FAT Binaries. > > > > a lot of things about think pascal/c broke long ago but i don't > > remember what they were. > > Re-reading the webpage at the link I gave, it says Think Pascal doesn't > create PowerPC code. But everything I've written works fine (if unnoticeably > slower via 68K emulation) on my beige G3 and the early OS 8 and OS 9 iMacs I > was writting them for. :-) that's a *huge* shortcoming. powerpc came out in 1994. i also seem to recall the debugger didn't work because of the emulation involved.
From: nospam on 11 Jun 2010 19:49 In article <michelle-94D32E.16445911062010(a)reserved-multicast-range-not-delegated.e xample.com>, Michelle Steiner <michelle(a)michelle.org> wrote: > > The modifier keys didn't even exist (in the sense of an extra mouse > > button click) in the original Mac operating systems. I'm not sure when > > they came in, possibly System 7 or Mac OS 8. Even then they weren't > > actually needed - everything could be done via normal menus and / or > > keyboard shortcuts ... the pop-up contectual menus were simply added for > > the lazy. > > System 8. system 7 added popupmenuselect but it was possible to do it before that, but with a little more work.
From: Your Name on 11 Jun 2010 20:28 In article <110620101809535112%nospam(a)nospam.invalid>, nospam <nospam(a)nospam.invalid> wrote: > In article <huuc14$ia5$1(a)lust.ihug.co.nz>, Your Name > <your.name(a)isp.com> wrote: > > > > > Lightspeed / Think Pascal is probably THE best programming environment > > > > used (and there's been of lots of them). > > > > > > was > > > > Nope, still is in my opinion ... I've yet to find anything better, although > > obviously I haven't tried absolutely everything available. > > codewarrior in its later releases blew away lightspeed/think c/pascal. I'm back on my Mac, and it's CodeWarrior 4 Gold that I have. From what I remember it was awful compared to Think Pascal. > > > > The updated Think Pascal works OK on my beige G3, although it probably > > > > doesn't have all the libraries to access new features of OS 8 and OS 9 > > > > make FAT Binaries. > > > > > > a lot of things about think pascal/c broke long ago but i don't > > > remember what they were. > > > > Re-reading the webpage at the link I gave, it says Think Pascal doesn't > > create PowerPC code. But everything I've written works fine (if unnoticeably > > slower via 68K emulation) on my beige G3 and the early OS 8 and OS 9 iMacs I > > was writting them for. :-) > > that's a *huge* shortcoming. powerpc came out in 1994. Unfortunately Think Pascal development stopped two years before that. :-( According to the website: Think Pascal is an excellent development system for the Macintosh. It was released by Think Technologies in 1986 as Lightspeed Pascal. Think Technologies was bought by Symantec, and the name was changed to Think Pascal. The last official update came 1992, and the product was officially discontinued in 1997. > i also seem to recall the debugger didn't work because of the emulation > involved. It doesn't specifially say anything about the 68K -> PowerPC changeover, but the website does say: News: (May 2000) There is a patch to make Think Pascal 4.5 compatible with newer versions of MacOS! Further down it does say "and other improvements". It's been a while since I've had to do any real programming, but I can't recall any problems on my Beige G3 PowerMac under both OS 8 and OS 9.
From: Your Name on 11 Jun 2010 20:31
In article <110620101949273551%nospam(a)nospam.invalid>, nospam <nospam(a)nospam.invalid> wrote: > In article > <michelle-94D32E.16445911062010(a)reserved-multicast-range-not-delegated.e > xample.com>, Michelle Steiner <michelle(a)michelle.org> wrote: > > > > The modifier keys didn't even exist (in the sense of an extra mouse > > > button click) in the original Mac operating systems. I'm not sure when > > > they came in, possibly System 7 or Mac OS 8. Even then they weren't > > > actually needed - everything could be done via normal menus and / or > > > keyboard shortcuts ... the pop-up contectual menus were simply added for > > > the lazy. > > > > System 8. > > system 7 added popupmenuselect but it was possible to do it before > that, but with a little more work. Possible for programmers within their own applications, but it wasn't part of the Mac operating system. |