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From: KDT on 11 Aug 2010 02:33
On Aug 11, 1:52 am, nospam <nos...(a)nospam.invalid> wrote:
> In article
> <61af5e58-9d55-443b-8083-5bc18c4a3...(a)i13g2000yqd.googlegroups.com>,
>
> KDT <scarface...(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > > >Where? Have you compared the top apps on the Android Market and on the
> > > > >Apple App store?
>
> > > > I have.
>
> > > on the iphone you don't own?
>
> > You do know there is another device that can run the same apps don't
> > you?
>
> he doesn't own an ipod touch either.

Really? I didn't realize that I didn't own an iPod Touch......
From: KDT on 11 Aug 2010 02:35
On Aug 11, 2:09 am, John Navas <spamfilt...(a)navasgroup.com> wrote:
> On Tue, 10 Aug 2010 23:03:34 -0700 (PDT), in
> <80918529-484e-412a-8740-b259e72b0...(a)z28g2000yqh.googlegroups.com>, KDT
>
>
>
> <scarface...(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
> >On Aug 11, 1:38 am, John Navas <spamfilt...(a)navasgroup.com> wrote:
> >> On Tue, 10 Aug 2010 22:37:22 -0700 (PDT), in
> >> <98f976a2-caa9-4cb5-81da-46c6478ae...(a)p7g2000yqa.googlegroups.com>, KDT
>
> >> <scarface...(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
> >> >On Aug 11, 12:35 am, John Navas <spamfilt...(a)navasgroup.com> wrote:
> >> >> >I have an HTC Hero and an iPod Touch.  The
> >> >> >difference in the quality of the top apps aren't even comparable.
>
> >> >> That's not what I'm seeing.  Got any specifics?
>
> >> >Top Paid Games on the Android Market: Arcade and Action
>
> >> >1. Robo Defense
> >> >2. Armored Strike Online
> >> >3. GameBoid (Gameboy emulator)
> >> >4. SnesNoid (SNES Emulator)
> >> >5. HomeRun Battle 3D
> >> >6. Fishin 2 Go
> >> >7. Radiant
> >> >8. SpeedX 3D
> >> >9. Nesoid (NES Emulator)
> >> >10. Baseball Superstars
>
> >> You said "apps".  I don't care about games.
>
> >Games are the major profit center and most popular types of
> >applications In the grand scheme of things, what *you* care about
> >doesn't matter.
>
> To you.  Matters to me and to many others like me.
>
> >But name a category......
>
> Already did.
>
> --
> John
>
> "Assumption is the mother of all screw ups."
> [Wethern’s Law of Suspended Judgement]

I missed where you named a *category* in the Android Market.....
From: nospam on 11 Aug 2010 02:37
In article
<73ae59e5-e65d-410d-8127-e64ab881e00d(a)d8g2000yqf.googlegroups.com>, KDT
<scarface_74(a)yahoo.com> wrote:

> > > > > >Where? Have you compared the top apps on the Android Market and on
> > > > > >the
> > > > > >Apple App store?
> >
> > > > > I have.
> >
> > > > on the iphone you don't own?
> >
> > > You do know there is another device that can run the same apps don't
> > > you?
> >
> > he doesn't own an ipod touch either.
>
> Really? I didn't realize that I didn't own an iPod Touch......

not you. i was talking about navas. he has repeatedly said he doesn't
care about music a whole lot nor the apple product line. he hates
itunes too. why would he own an ipod or iphone?
From: ed on 11 Aug 2010 02:52
On Aug 10, 6:53 pm, ZnU <z...(a)fake.invalid> wrote:
>  ed <n...(a)atwistedweb.com> wrote:
> > On Aug 10, 3:15 pm, ZnU <z...(a)fake.invalid> wrote:
> > >  ed <n...(a)atwistedweb.com> wrote:
> > > > On Aug 10, 9:32 am, ZnU <z...(a)fake.invalid> wrote:
> > <snip>
> > > > > Except that an AT&T smartphone plan with 2 GB of data and unlimited
> > > > > talk/text is going to be on the order of $115.
>
> > > > um, ok.  that doesn't mean you can't get less expensive service.  we
> > > > know att (and verizon) are expensive.  point is, it CAN be comparable
> > > > (maybe even cheaper- can sandman get a 1 device unlimited plan in the
> > > > $40-$50 range?).
>
> > > There's nothing remotely comparable to what he was describing without
> > > spending quite a lot more. And _still_ getting capped data.
> > > More generally, your response seems to be "Yeah, well we have low-end
> > > plans cheaper than Sweden's high-end plans". This is silly. You don't
> > > know what their low-end plans look like.
>
> > - an unlimited voice, text, and data plan is low end to you because
> > it's limited to one device?
>
> You're quibbling. It's not comparable.

as i said, you can get in the same ballpark.

> [snip]
>
> > > > sprint, in reality, for most people, is (or can be) a *lot* cheaper..
> > > > they have a whole slew of discounts just about anyone can qualify for,
>
> > > Where?
>
> > the ridiculously good discounts are typically employer based- and if
> > you don't care that you don't actually work somewhere, many of them
> > don't actually verify (i'm not sure i have a problem with that, but i
> > go with a 'legit' discount for myself even though i could get a higher
> > discount):
> >http://slickdeals.net/forums/showthread.php?t=1757688
> > people working for larger companies can check directly:
> >http://delivery.sprint.com/m/p/nxt/ais/wdyw.asp?id16=iSearch_MA_07160....
> > eDiscounts&id16=Corporate+discount
> > (my company isn't listed in the above list, but i have a 20% discount)
>
> So by "a whole slew of discounts just about anyone can qualify for" you
> mean "some discounts you can qualify for if you work for the right
> company or you happen read forums that track cellular discounts and
> you're willing to commit a bit of fraud".

no. at minimum, the credit union link i included is something
EVERYONE can qualify for. weird that you snipped that out. almost
like you are intentionally trying to twist what i said to make a point
which can't stand up to scrutiny when you include all the facts.

> Sounds like Sprint offers "a whole slew of discounts just about anyone
> can qualify for" in the same sense that Android is "open". That is to
> say, the closer you look, the less accurate the initial claim seems.

i included an offer everyone can get in on. if you chose to ignore
it, that doesn't change that fact.

> [snip]
> > > That's your particular usage;  assuming you still need more than 450
> > > minutes of calls to/from non-cellphones (e.g. an average of 15 minutes a
> > > day -- not a lot),
>
> > yes, i didn't say for everyone.  i said for many.  and these days,
> > that IS getting to be a bit- people are getting used to calling an
> > 'always' available number- these days, 15% of homes have a land line
> > and no cell, vs 25% with a cell and no land line.
> >http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/37109826
>
> The problem is most offices/businesses are still making/taking calls on
> landlines.

sure they're doing it; i'm not sure even that proportion isn't listing
drastically. and sure, maybe the mobil-to-mobile on any network won't
work for some- you know, like i said initially. but everyone i know
on sprint has seen DRASTIC reductions in 'anytime' minutes used.

> > > going with "Everything Data - with Any Mobile,
> > > Anytime" rather than "Simply Everything" saves you all of $10/month.
> > > > and the thing about having a different and plan is you don't have to
> > > > couple them- go ahead and use the att ipad plan.  :D
>
> > > > > So basically, prices are _twice_ as high in the US,
>
> > > > the prices _can_be_ twice as high.  i'm not sure why you're just
> > > > poopooing away the cheaper options.  it's like you're looking for an
> > > > excuse to make u.s. plans look more expensive than they have to be.
>
> > > I'm looking for plans that are comparable to what Sandman mentioned --
> > > and what I, personally, would jump at if it were actually available in
> > > this country and compatible with the devices I want.
>
> > ok.  sweden undoubtedly has good plans- some of the cheapest in the
> > world if i recall- but you can get something in the ballpark in the
> > u.s. - not identical (nobody is claiming that), but in the ballpark.
>
> If by "in the ballpark" you mean that for only a little more money, you
> can get a plan that gives you unlimited data on one device and capped
> tethering on another instead of unlimited data on three devices.
>
> And of course that doesn't count the fact that Sandman mentioned there's
> 25% VAT included in that $80. So it's really a _$60_ plan that you'd
> have to pay ~$180/month to not quite match with a major US carrier.

how did we get from 2 to 3 plans here?

> > > > >  _and_ you still get
> > > > > less (capped data),
>
> > > > sure, with att.
>
> > > With Sprint as well, for tethering and data-only plans. Sprint will
> > > basically only give you uncapped data to a handset, because they know
> > > it's really hard to actually use it there.
>
> > not really.  ;D   sprint doesn't actually care if you tether-
> > blackberries come with the tether app installed (and functioning) for
> > example, unlike on att and verizon.
>
> It seems a lot of your solutions for getting a better deal out of US
> cellular carriers involve contract violation and/or fraud.

the most fraudulent thing being advocated with regards to deals is you
purposely omitting a deal that anyone can qualify for to claim that
i'm advocating signing up for something that you aren't eligible for.
i didn't say to tether if it's not allowed in your plan- you said that
sprint gives you uncapped data to a handset because it's hard to use
the bandwidth- i pointed out that sprint doesn't seem to care, as they
INCLUDE a tethering app on blackberries.

> > > > >  _and_ you have to navigate around the fact that
> > > > > there are three different incompatible standards here (AT&T's GSM on
> > > > > normal frequencies, T-Mobile's GSM on quirky frequencies, and Sprint
> > > > > and
> > > > > Version on CDMA.)
>
> > > > and?
>
> > > And it sucks.
>
> > it sucks if you're trying to switch from one to the other all the
> > time.  otherwise, when's it really matter?
>
> It sucks if you want a specific handset that's not available from a
> given carrier. It sucks if you want to use the same handset in the US
> and Europe and you don't want to use AT&T in the US.

um, ok? so don't use att in the us? i don't get this complaint.

> It sucks when your
> current phone is broken/lost and you can't just pop the SIM card into
> your old phone because it's CDMA or something.

it's not all roses in gsm land like you think- even if you're all gsm,
all the time, you might not be able to do this. when i was on att, i
had to get new sims w/ phones several times because they wouldn't work
on different phones, and when my dad visited last summer, a att sim
card didn't work on his unlocked phone from taiwan.

> > > And honestly, if you exclude the bargain basement providers like Boost
> > > and stick to the Big Four, there's not really all that _much_ progress.
> > > Some high-end plans are cheaper. But... before switching to AT&T for the
> > > iPhone in 2007, I was with T-Mobile since about 2002. At that time I was
> > > paying $40/month for 600 minutes, no data and no included messaging.
>
> > > Know what you $40/month gets you from T-Mobile today, if you want a
> > > subsidized phone (which I got in 2002)? 500 minutes, no data and no
> > > included messaging. Plus, the per-message SMS fees are twice what they
> > > used to be and you now have to sign a _two_ year contract rather than a
> > > one year contract.
>
> > so it seems like the no brainer if you want to go tmobile is go
> > prepaid for $50 month with unlimited voice and messaging.  ;D
>
> > > It's really sort of shameful. The Big Four run the industry like a
> > > cartel. When one decided to raise non-plan text messaging fees, the
> > > others followed along. When one decided to double standard contract
> > > lengths, the others followed along. Now the same thing seems to be
> > > happening with the move away from unlimited data plans. Why is there not
> > > a price fixing investigation going on here?
>
> > you seem outraged at the pricing.  i wasn't outraged, but i recognized
> > there were better deals to be had.  which is partly why  i switched
> > from att-verizon-sprint.  happy here so far.  ;D
>
> I'm outraged at the fact that a small handful of telecom companies --
> both with wireless service and with wired broadband -- have been allowed
> to monopolize, overcharge for, underinvest in and limit access to
> infrastructure that will be _the_ key foundation of the next 50 years of
> economic growth. All because they make generous campaign contributions
> to both parties.

except for all those other cheaper companies that you apparently don't
want to use.


<snip>
From: ed on 11 Aug 2010 03:04
On Aug 10, 7:47 pm, ZnU <z...(a)fake.invalid> wrote:
>  KDT <scarface...(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
> > On Aug 10, 6:15 pm, ZnU <z...(a)fake.invalid> wrote:
>
> > > With Sprint as well, for tethering and data-only plans. Sprint will
> > > basically only give you uncapped data to a handset, because they know
> > > it's really hard to actually use it there.
>
> > The 4G tethering plans (HTC Evo and soon Samsung) are unlimited 3G/4G.
>
> Are they? Sprint's standalone "4G/3G Mobile Broadband Connection Plan"
> is unlimited 4G but 3G is capped at 5 GB.

you're talking about something different. that's not tethering.

>Which would be fine except
> that 4G is in so few markets. (Still nothing in NYC, for instance.)

well, mostly true regarding nyc- it's not launched, but the are
actively testing, towers are lit, and users can snag the signal and
use it. not prime time, but for those who do have 4g devices already,
might as well try it out. :D


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