Question re Canon iP1500
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From: measekite on 11 Apr 2006 18:41 MARY MARY QUITE CONTRARY IS EITHER A 10 YEAR OLD GIRL OR AN OLD MAID CAUSE NOBODY COULD STAND BEING WITH HER. IF BRAINS WERE DYNAMITE SHE WOULD NOT HAVE ENOUGH TO BLOW HER NOSE. Gary Tait wrote: >"Mary" <no(a)japamjunk.com> wrote in news:e1fa85$ls9$1(a)emma.aioe.org: > > > >>"zakezuke" <zakezuke_us(a)yahoo.com> wrote in message >>news:1144724742.805658.317500(a)i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com... >>Some HP printers must have bigger carts that are not too expensive. >>The ip1600 seemed to have expensive ink tanks when I checked before - >>and no compatibles. More expensive than ip4000 though the ip1600 is >>cheaper to buy. >> >> > >Yuo have to stop seeing the to buy price and look at the to run price. > > > > >>>Well, at least looking at the tanks you "know' how much is left. In >>>the case of Epson it's totally an estimate. The ip4000 at the very >>>least uses a prism that alerts you when it's down to 20%, and you >>> >>> >know > > >>>full well you have 20% left. There isn't a meter that give you >>> >>> >scaled > > >>>levels. The ip4200 does but this would be disabled if you refill >>>manualy. I have no more data yet on this series... only had one for >>> >>> >a > > >>>week. >>> >>> >>Yes, you could see what is left, but you can do that onscreen by using >>the printer monitor which shows a picture of whats left in carts. and >>that way,you don't have to take the cart out of the printer to look. I >>would probably end up looking at the carts though. >> >> > >That picture is an estimation though. AFAIK, there is no cost effective >definate way to measure the fulness of an ink cartridge on a consumer >inkjet printer. The cheapest way is to could expelled ink droplets. > > > >>>The ip4200 is basicly the same thing as the ip4000 as far as the >>> >>> >carts > > >>>go, same as your ip1500 except bigger and it takes 5 tanks, clear >>>simple tupperware... except they include chips which keep track of >>> >>> >how > > >>>much ink you used. >>> >>> >>Is that to discourage you from refilling them yourself? >> >> > >The warnings it gives might though. > > > >> When empty it warns you three times or so before >> >> >>>giving you a warning "proceed at you own risk". Then it disables the >>>meter. There are no compatable tanks for this yet, but you can >>> >>> >refill > > >>>the existing tanks... mail order or that fill as you wait place. >>> >>> >What > > >>>I don't know is if you disable the meter if the prism still works... >>> >>> >I > > >>>have not had the printer long enough. >>> >>> > > > >>Doesn't the 4200 have head and printer carts all in one so would cost >>more to buy carts than one that had a printer head you could take out? >> >> > >No, it uses separate tanks, however the tanks are chipped, so there are >no aftermarket tanks (as of yet). > > > >>>>Burt say that the Canon 4200 has no compatibles. You have to buy >>>> >>>> >>brand >> >> >>>>name? >>>> >>>> >>>No compatable tanks, refilling your tanks is OK... which is rather >>> >>> >why > > >>>we both were pushing the ip4000. It has compatable inks and tanks up >>>the yazoo. You will not be inkless in Toronto... where as I with my >>>ip5200 am inkless in seattle. >>> >>> >>Is that like Sleepless in Seattle? Isnt Seattle in the middle of >>silicone valley where all the computer places are? >> >> >> > >The "Silicone Valley" would be the San Fernando Valley ;) (part of Los >Angeles) >What you mean is the Silicon Valley, sount of San Francisco. >However, the Seattle area does have a strong software industry. >(Silicon Valley being mostly hardware), TMK. > > > > >>>>I notice the 4200 is much the same price as >>>>the 4000 in Staples. I thought I saw the 4200 on sale not long ago, >>>> >>>> >>but >> >> >>>>it kind of puts me off the printhead and cart in one makes >>>> >>>> >>cartridges >> >> >>>>more money, and no compatibles and may never be. >>>> >>>> >>>the ip4200 is like your ip1600 in the fact you can remove the head... >>>and if it fails canon will send you a new one during the one year >>>warranty period. >>> >>> >>I think you meant ip 1600 above. You can remove the printhead on the >>4200 and 1600, but what I got them confused with was with both of them >>you have to buy carts with printhead/ink cart, making the carts more >>expensive to buy than the 4000 which works on a printhead and ink >> >> >carts > > >>only. >> >> > >The 1600, at least, is the only printer only you need the head-on-cart >ink tanks. The 4200 uses a separate head, you rpelace only the tanks. > > > >>Yeah, the multi tank seems less tanks to think about, and its been ok >> >> >on > > >>the ip1500 but I might have to get something else. I am not sure what >> >> >I > > >>want to do and only have a couple of days to >>decide if I want to get the refurb. ip1500.. >> >> > >You are going to pay to not have to think about tanks. > > > >>We don't have London Drugs in Toronto. I guess they would be in >> >> >London, > > >>Ontario which is not near Toronto. London is closer to Windsor, which >> >> >is > > >Actually, there are no London Drugs outlets in London, asn LD are a >western Canada chain. > > > >>close to Detroit. They might call them this in London and some other >>cities and towns, but its a big country, and in Western or Eastern >>Canada, maybe they call them something else altogether, like pic >>stations :) I've only hear people say I am going to the picture >> >> >machine > > >>in Walmart or wherever or I am going to print photos on one of those >>photo printing machines. I think people use different terms for it. We >>haven't had these machines all that long to get a uniform name for >> >> >them. > >I call them "digital photo kiosks" The one I am familiar with apparently >has an HP printer. I think they could be run by a Mac. > > > >>I wouldn't figure it that way. I think of the printer as one price and >>the ink another like separate things. >> >> >> > >You have to not figure it that way though. Or at least deduct the price >of a set of cartd from the sale price of the printer. > > >
From: Taliesyn on 11 Apr 2006 18:51 zakezuke wrote: >>I am still wondring about the large two pack black being $20.00 for two >>when I was pretty sure in the store that it was $20.00 for one. There is >>usually not that much difference in price from the store and online. >>they are much the same usually. > > > Oh I should add it looks like atlantic inkjet is a spiffy place to shop > for compatables in the US and Canada. > http://www.atlanticinkjet.com/canon.asp?Nation=CAN > > Ip-1500 CDN $2.45 black 1.6c/page > ip-1500 cdn $4.45 color > > $6.9 plus shipping > 3x = $20.70 plus shipping > > ip-4000 > Big black > BCI-3e BK $3.95 0.8c/page > color and small black $3.85 each > > 19.35 plus shipping > > I'm too lazy to work out the math but it looks like three ip1500 tanks > is close enough to the same price as 1 set of ip4000 tanks that the > difference is smallish, except the black i'm pretty sure is double the > cost for the ip1500 from this reseller per page. > > But either way these guys IIRC beat out staples even when taking > shipping into account. I've not bought from these guys yet, but the > price is reasonable esp since the price is the same in canadian and us > dollars, so Canadians spend less. > > But either way... $28 bucks will get you a good amount of supplies for > either printer. > > > Shipping CDN $6.49... no ink crossing the border, no customs. > I ordered BCI-3e Blacks from Atlantic last year and they weren't pigmented. I see no indication on their website that this policy has changed. Best solution is to buy bulk pigmented ink from Atlantic - which is very good black pigmented ink - and refill empty Canon original cartridges or new blank compatibles. Their pigmented ink has never given me any trouble. I do recommend it. -Taliesyn
From: Taliesyn on 11 Apr 2006 18:56 measekite wrote: > MARY MARY ... IS ... DYNAMITE I didn't change any of the original text except to remove the unnecessary long winded wording. It makes a lot more sense now when you remove the gibberish . . . -Taliesyn
From: Mary on 11 Apr 2006 21:48 "Gary Tait" <classicsat(a)yahoo.com> wrote in message news:Xns97A275348F372wonkynillmailnil(a)142.77.1.194... > "Mary" <no(a)japamjunk.com> wrote in news:e1f2nb$pa7$1(a)emma.aioe.org: > > > the bci 3ebk carts are for the ip4000 arent they? > > They are for a lot of printers. Fromthe transition to the 3e to 6 carts, > they probably felt no need to upgrade the pigment black. > > > I wish they wouldn't > > number the carts like that as they are hard to remember. they should > > just put the model number of the printer on the box (for compatibles > or > > other) and you could find them much quicker. > > It would take a lot of space, or fine printing to make that happen. The > store should have a compatibility chanrt, and if you are looking at new > printers, the cart models are usually printed on the box. Thst would be fine if the boxes were also there, but they are not. Most times only have the demo printers on the shelves and keep the boxed new ones in the back. They don't have enough room to always have the boxes. At least thats the way it is at some Staples I've been at. Last week I looked at several printers and asked about the carts and the sale guy had to go back and forth to check the cart numbers. I said to him it would be much easier if they put the model number of the printer on the carts, or put the cart number on the models, not on the boxes which are often not there, but maybe a sticker on the demos. It would save a lot of running around for the customer and the sales guy. I think it could be done.Just my view. > > I spent ages going back and > > forth last week trying to figure out which printer used which carts as > I > > didn't know the cartridge numbers for the printers I was looking at. > Its > > a pain. > > Do that research at home. Yes, you could do that, but sometimes you see a different printer at the store that you hadn't researched. If the cart numbers were on the demos, you wouldn't need to research at home. You can't remember everything.
From: Mary on 11 Apr 2006 21:54
"Gary Tait" <classicsat(a)yahoo.com> wrote in message news:Xns97A27C0741330wonkynillmailnil(a)142.77.1.194... > "Mary" <no(a)japamjunk.com> wrote in news:e1fa85$ls9$1(a)emma.aioe.org: > > > "zakezuke" <zakezuke_us(a)yahoo.com> wrote in message > > news:1144724742.805658.317500(a)i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com... > > Some HP printers must have bigger carts that are not too expensive. > > The ip1600 seemed to have expensive ink tanks when I checked before - > > and no compatibles. More expensive than ip4000 though the ip1600 is > > cheaper to buy. > > Yuo have to stop seeing the to buy price and look at the to run price. I look at all angles, not just one. You have to look at the whole picture. > >> Well, at least looking at the tanks you "know' how much is left. In > >> the case of Epson it's totally an estimate. The ip4000 at the very > >> least uses a prism that alerts you when it's down to 20%, and you > know > >> full well you have 20% left. There isn't a meter that give you > scaled > >> levels. The ip4200 does but this would be disabled if you refill > >> manualy. I have no more data yet on this series... only had one for > a > >> week. > > > > Yes, you could see what is left, but you can do that onscreen by using > > the printer monitor which shows a picture of whats left in carts. and > > that way,you don't have to take the cart out of the printer to look. I > > would probably end up looking at the carts though. > > That picture is an estimation though. AFAIK, there is no cost effective > definate way to measure the fulness of an ink cartridge on a consumer > inkjet printer. The cheapest way is to could expelled ink droplets. Do you mean "count" expelled ink droplets? > >> The ip4200 is basicly the same thing as the ip4000 as far as the > carts > >> go, same as your ip1500 except bigger and it takes 5 tanks, clear > >> simple tupperware... except they include chips which keep track of > how > >> much ink you used. > > > > Is that to discourage you from refilling them yourself? > > The warnings it gives might though. Maybe. > > > > Yeah, the multi tank seems less tanks to think about, and its been ok > on > > the ip1500 but I might have to get something else. I am not sure what > I > > want to do and only have a couple of days to > > decide if I want to get the refurb. ip1500.. > > You are going to pay to not have to think about tanks. We all have our own ways to do things. > > We don't have London Drugs in Toronto. I guess they would be in > London, > > Ontario which is not near Toronto. London is closer to Windsor, which > is > > > Actually, there are no London Drugs outlets in London, asn LD are a > western Canada chain. I've vaguely heard of it but never knew where they were located. > > close to Detroit. They might call them this in London and some other > > cities and towns, but its a big country, and in Western or Eastern > > Canada, maybe they call them something else altogether, like pic > > stations :) I've only hear people say I am going to the picture > machine > > in Walmart or wherever or I am going to print photos on one of those > > photo printing machines. I think people use different terms for it. We > > haven't had these machines all that long to get a uniform name for > them. > > I call them "digital photo kiosks" The one I am familiar with apparently > has an HP printer. I think they could be run by a Mac. Thats another name I have never heard them called. ARe you in Canada? Mary |