Question re Canon iP1500
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From: zakezuke on 11 Apr 2006 01:15 > When you say when the blackness is 80% or higher, you mean if the > printer is printing from a certain program and that program prints > darker than 80%, the large black tank is used.? Is that what it depends > on whether the large or small tank is used? You have black, and you have not so black... which would be well grey. Grey is a mix of color, but where grey becomes black, a black tank is used. Take a shadow for instance... A stark black shadow would use the black. But a truely grey shadow would use a mix of color to make a muddy grey. Simply put there is no way for a printer to make grey, only dots futher a part. 50% black using black dots is going to look like a bunch of black dots, but carefully mix cyan and magenta with some dabs of yellow in the middle it's going to look grey. Large black is for plain paper Small black is for anything that isn't plain paper If you want the big black on photo paper, you have to lie and say it's plain paper. For example, matte paper gets soggie if it's too black on the ip3000, so I say it's plain paper. Looks good, and doesn't get soggy. > So most of the time you print black text, you would be using the smaller > black tank and only under certain printing conditions use the large one? The printer is not logical in this regard. If you say plain paper, it uses the big black, if you say any other type of paper small black is used. It's not like HP that is object oriented, that understands this is a patch of text use the pigment black, or this is picture on the same page, mix cyan magenta and yellow to make a good dye black that doesn't look like lamp black. There is no complex logic involved.... if you select plain paper, and it's black, it's the big black. > I don't think I ever would use a duplex mode. If you print on one side, > why would you print on the other side in case where you are going to > keep a photo or send one to someone? I sometimes use double sided photo > paper in a semi gloss which I like, b ut if I am sending someone photos, > I can't use both sides. Duplex mode is for documents and photos... if for example you were printing a webpage, or 10 pages, and you wanted the stuff on both sides, you can tell the printer to flip the paper for you, or you can flip the paper your self. If you flip the paper your self text is better, but if the printer flipps the paper the quality suffers because it mixes the dye into the pigment to make it dry faster, so it can take a page, spit it out, suck it back in, flip it over, and print on the back. Manual flipping means if you print a stack of 10 pages, the first page has already dried by the time you put the stack of 10 back in the printer. Duplex mode on the canon is a nifty feature but it takes a long time, it's faster to flip it your self.
From: Gary Tait on 11 Apr 2006 10:33 "Mary" <no(a)japamjunk.com> wrote in news:e112d8$js6$1(a)emma.aioe.org: >> -or- >> Canon ip4000 over $100 >> $130 to $150 >> 25ml Black BCI-3e - $16.98 500pages 3c/page >> 4x14ml Color bci-6 -$17.96 280 pages Somewhere between 19c/page and >> 24c/page >> $88.82 > > That is $129.00 and quite expensive carts. I am not thinking about > refilling, but its interesting to know what the costs are. If anything I > would buy compatibles if its STaples brand which are ok, or maybe online > sometime, but I definitely don't want to do my own refilling. What we are saying, that despite the initial high costs for the carts (at OEM prices), they are long term a better deal, than buying the smaller tri-colour carts, especially the Head-On-Cart types, because you get at least 3x the printing from a BCI3/6 set.
From: Gary Tait on 11 Apr 2006 10:52 "Mary" <no(a)japamjunk.com> wrote in news:e0sevh$pb4$1(a)emma.aioe.org: > "Gary Tait" <classicsat(a)yahoo.com> wrote in message > news:Xns979ACDE722E66wonkynillmailnil(a)142.77.1.194... >> "Mary" <no(a)japamjunk.com> wrote in news:e0qbbh$3fb$1(a)emma.aioe.org: >> >> > I thought my iP 1500 was a previous generation? >> >> It is. The lower end of the Canon lines use tri-color carts, rather > than >> individual carts. The only change in the bottom of the new line (the > 1600), >> is that they have switched to Head-ON-Carts, which means no > aftermarket >> (for now), and even more costly carts, since you are buying a > printhead >> each time. > > Yes, it would cost more - thats no good. I wonder why they did that when > the ip1500 has tri color carts. Probably for the low volume users that would buy the 1600, so they don't have to keep providing replacement heads for occasionally used printers.. > Don't some other manufacturers such as > Lexmark have mainly or only head on carts? Yes, Lexmark and HP primarily use Head-On-Cart. >Just wondered - is Canon the > best printer to get? or are there other brands just as good? High on my > requirements is a printer that takes carts that are not too expensive, > though all of them are, but the least or close to it and one that has > available compatibles. > IMO, Canon is the best for that, as they re the only ones to provide mid-line ink tank bubblejet printers. Epson uses a different technology which is more prone to clog if not used often enough. >> Doing the math, it would cost you nearly thrice per cart set for a > 1600 vs >> a 3200, so you would be even better off to go for the 3200 (or 4200). > > seems like it. I've never seen the 3200 so far here, but saw 4200 > advertised on STaples Canada but its a little more money than the 4000 > and unless it has much better features than the 4000, its not worth > paying more. > >> But since you have that 4000 apparently available, scoop that up and > you >> will be golden. > > The 4000 is not really cheap. When you figure the cost of the included ink set, it is. > There are lots cheaper, and I would have > to pay $80.00 to get it, instead of nothing or $20.00 more after I hand > in my old printer. You'd pay more in the long run though for any printer but the 4000. >It might be worth it, though I would have to think > about it. By the way, is the 4000 tri color carts? Not separate colors > is it? Separate colors. 13 ml each, 25 ml for dye black. IIRC, the BCI24 is 2ML per colour, 6ML for black. The Cl41 in the 1600 is 3ml/colour, 12ml for the PG40 black. > The thing I liked about the ip1500 it has a printhead you could take out > if needing cleaned, and just had to buy carts and also the carts were > cheaper than most other printers. Same for the 4000. > And it printed photos good enough for > me. It was cheap to buy but I found it satisfactory for my purposes. > Other people may like to get really good printers but I am happy with a > cheaper printer as long as it works fine for me. > > Mary >
From: Gary Tait on 11 Apr 2006 11:31 "Mary" <no(a)japamjunk.com> wrote in news:e1f2nb$pa7$1(a)emma.aioe.org: > the bci 3ebk carts are for the ip4000 arent they? They are for a lot of printers. Fromthe transition to the 3e to 6 carts, they probably felt no need to upgrade the pigment black. > I wish they wouldn't > number the carts like that as they are hard to remember. they should > just put the model number of the printer on the box (for compatibles or > other) and you could find them much quicker. It would take a lot of space, or fine printing to make that happen. The store should have a compatibility chanrt, and if you are looking at new printers, the cart models are usually printed on the box. > I spent ages going back and > forth last week trying to figure out which printer used which carts as I > didn't know the cartridge numbers for the printers I was looking at. Its > a pain. Do that research at home. > with the ip1500, whether compatibles or brand name none have plastic > tape over the air vent. > but maybe they do on newer models. All carts should have a vent, and be sealed with tape when you buy them. > > Mary >
From: Gary Tait on 11 Apr 2006 11:35
"Mary" <nonon(a)nothin.com> wrote in news:4439b9d9$0$28240$6d36acad(a)titian.nntpserver.com: > But even when you print colors, some black is used in the mix isn't > it? and wouldn't the small black be used for this? On non-plain paper, yes. > I am still wondring about the large two pack black being $20.00 for > two when I was pretty sure in the store that it was $20.00 for one. > There is usually not that much difference in price from the store and > online. they are much the same usually. Differences in scale and overhead. >> When the towel dries, the bag becomes humid, and this helps keeping > the >> outlet hole from becoming gunked up, but your right you should pay >> attention to your bit o' towel and make sure it's moist. I have no >> clue how long a uncapped cartridge lasts bagged with or without a >> towel. I keep all my tabs from the store bought tanks and tape them > to >> the tanks. The OEM shelf life, capped with plastic covering the > inlet, >> is somewhere in the years catagory. > > So that would be the same with Staples compatibles which have plastic > pieces clipped to the colors and they are in small sealed plastic > bags,so they should be ok for a long time. No, he is talking of how to keep empty carts you wish to refill. Prefilled carts you buy should come as you said above. > Mary > |