Question re Canon iP1500
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From: Mary on 13 Apr 2006 17:08 "zakezuke" <zakezuke_us(a)yahoo.com> wrote in message news:1144824886.738755.219520(a)i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com... > > But I have slowly come to > > think that maybe you and Zak were right about the ip400, that it is a > > better printer, but that was after I found out that when I checked in > > Staples a couple of days ago and found out the ip4000 carts are not as > > expensive as I had thought and maybe won't be as hard on ink as the > > Epson I had. > > The ip4000 is pretty cool, but the ip1500 isn't as bad as all that with > the staples compatables. I don't know if the printer replacement will > last beyond a year, but getting the referb, doign what you normally do, > and saving up for the next good option is not a bad plan. The ip4200 > might have compatables by that point. I finally decided yesterday to phone Canon to send me a refurb ip1500. I figured it might have 3 months warranty and thought that buys me time and I don't see anything else I want at the moment.. I seriously considered the 4000, but by the time I decided, it was gone even though it had been on the site for weeks. But I would have had to see if I could get the Staples store manager to order it in to the store. I don't know if they do that. They seem to like to keep the site and the store transactions separate. So there was just the 4000, which was gone and the 4200 with no compatibles and carts cost too much. I think I made the right decision and will turn out for the best, because when I phoned Canon, I asked is there any warranty on the refurb, and he said only whats left on your year warranty with us, which is only a few days, so there wouldn't be any, but all the refurb printers have been checked by our technicians. I then began to wonder if it was such a good idea with no warranty at all, so I said I guess my Staples warranty would not be valid if I get a refurb from you, and he said yes, its still valid, I asked about serial numbers, and he said doesn't matter, but for your own satisfactiion, phone Staples and talk to the store manager, and phone us back. (I previously asked the sales guy in Staples and he said the warranty would not be valid if I got a refurb from Canon), but these guys don't always know, so I phoned Staples Manager because of the conflicting opinions, and he said the warranty is still OK, and I said but it will be a different serial number, and he said doesnt matter as long as its the same model printer. So I felt I had nothing to lose ,phoned Canon back and they are sending the refurb one by Puralator in a few days and give you a couple of days to check it out, then I send my old printer to them. I will have to use the new printhead in the refurb printer. I was prepared to get the refurb anyway, but with no warranty from Canon, I would have had to hope for the best with the refurb. But this way, I have a year to look around, as long as the refurb doesn't conk out. I noticed yesterday when looking at carts on Staples site that carts for the 4000 have suddenly gone up a lot - all color and small black compatibles were $8.50 before and now are $13.50. The two pack large black that I told you were $20.00 before are now $25.00. So the total if you had to buy all carts would be $25.00 more than before. They have been the same price ever since my discussions with you. I also notice that my printer prices which have been the same for the last year, have gone up by $5.00 for the color and black 2 pack, which is what I usually get. Now is $30.00 and was $25.00 but the pack is onsale this week for $15.00 so I better get one. So if I had got the 4000, I probably wouldn't buy Staples compatibles - too expensive. I would order online in Canada and see what they were like. > > If I get the refurb one, it would have a different serian number, and I > > don't think the Extended warranty that I have on the ip1500 would be > > any good as the original receipt has the serial number on it. > > I appreciate your viewpoint. > > It would totally have another serial number, but it's worth talking to > Staples about. Say "Look guys, I got this warranty with you because I Luckily I didn't have to do that. I don't think Staples keep track of serial numbers. as long as its the same model printer and you have original receipt the extended warranty is good. Good that I got an extended warranty. It was only $10.00 so is worth it. When extended warranties cost too much, I don't bother getting them. Mary
From: Mary on 13 Apr 2006 17:28 "zakezuke" <zakezuke_us(a)yahoo.com> wrote in message news:1144831328.291195.70880(a)t31g2000cwb.googlegroups.com... > > Thanks. I will try these. I tried one of them before, but it didn't > > work. It doesn't work for all models. > > I think, from the little I've read, one procedure is for the ip1000 > which worked for early revisions of the ip1500, and the later is > exclusive to the ip1500. > > But this is the sort of info one finds in a service manual, the button > presses to tell you what version you have, and provided the manual is > up to date with what you have, the correct button strokes to get it > done. While the websites where one could find the service manual for > this printer are no longer about... there are peddlers who sell them. The reset didn't work for some unknown reason.. I have been working with Tony, and gone into the situation as much as possible and I tried a lot of different suggestions. Maybe it can't be reset because the absorbers may need to show full, rather than almost full. Some buttons worked, but others didn't. Anyway, it doesn't matter now, as I will only have the printer for another few days and don't need it reset. Tony is a great guy, very helpful. He's like me, he likes to problem solve - too bad I haven't been able to do that in other areas of my life :) > If nothing else this is a learning experence. There are printers out > there which people take the time to share service keystrokes, or > service software. Epsons for example are covered by a 3rd party Yes, it was a good learning experience which was worthwhile as it gave me information I wouldn't have known if the printer hadn't given that message. Mary
From: Mary on 13 Apr 2006 17:34 "zakezuke" <zakezuke_us(a)yahoo.com> wrote in message news:1144909361.212223.147260(a)i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com... > > There are some things I like about the IP1500, but I really don't think > > I am as set on it as you think, or about tri color, though at the start, > > it was more the case. If it were completely true, I would have phoned > > Canon yesterday and told them to send me the refurb one but I have been > > indecisive and that has been my problem.. But I have slowly come to > > think that maybe you and Zak were right about the ip400, that it is a > > better printer, but that was after I found out that when I checked in > > Staples a couple of days ago and found out the ip4000 carts are not as > > expensive as I had thought and maybe won't be as hard on ink as the > > Epson I had. But the ip4000 is not available now anyway. I would > > consider the 4200 but they have no compatibles and yes, I must admit I > > want a printer with compatible carts so that part is true whatever > > printer I get. > > I think one of my other messages got lost in the shuffle. > > There is always themp760 and mp780, last I looked $200 and $400 on the > staples website. The mp750 isn't. These are mutli-fuctions based on > the ip4000. Here is the low down > > mp750 - scanner, sheetfeeder, no fax > mp760 - scanner, slide scanner, no fax > mp780 - scanner, sheet feeder, fax These are too expensive, especialy the mp780 which is $400.00. I wouldn't pay any more than around $150.00 and feel that would be good enough for me. Also, I don't need a 3 in 1 printer and didn't look at them in the store. I already have a good fax and scanner and the fax also copies - if it can slide in the paper holder. These combination printers/faxes/copiers/scanners have become very popular in stores here in the last 6 months particularly and some are quite reasonably priced. > Ok, the price went up to $229.97 since I looked at it earlier today Worse than that is the mp780 at $400.00 - ackkk... way too much for me : ) > If you replaced your inktanks about 10 times on your ip1500... odds are > you will not save enough in a year to justify the purchace of the mp760 > @ $230, assuming staples compatables. It's safe to assume about a 3.3 > to 1 ratio between the tanks for the ip1500 vs the ip4000, which any of > the above is. I think I'll just stick to cheaper purchases. > Also this series, the mp750/760/780 is a big honking beast even in > contrast to the ip4000. Thanks for the info but I don't think they would suit me. Mary
From: Mary on 13 Apr 2006 17:51 "zakezuke" <zakezuke_us(a)yahoo.com> wrote in message news:1144955245.013894.299460(a)e56g2000cwe.googlegroups.com... > > Mary wrote: > > > > > I look at all angles, not just one. You have to look at the whole > > > > picture. > > > > > > > > > > The run price is the whole picture. > > > > I partly agree with that, but you also have to buy the printer and be > > able to afford the purchase price before you even get to the "run" part. > > So the balance is buy a printer you can afford and try to get one which > > is not too expensive to run, which means compatibles, refilling if thats > > your thing, and not brand names carts which will be more expensive to > > run than the other ways. > > The whole picture is > 1. Entry price > 2. cost to operate > > With OEM, or the name brand ink, entry price is not an issue. They > come with ink which is typicaly $60 to $80. When the ink is $80 and > the printer is $100, your basicly spending $20 for the printer. There > are times when the printer is cheaper than the ink. That ok for the first bunch of ink when the printer is new, but after that is when it costs the money and thats what the manufacturer wants. > With aftermarket, entry cost does inter the picture. When the supplies > only cost you $20 to $50, that $100 printer is basicly a $50-$80 > printer. > > Either way, unless you are buying bulk ink, you will end up spending > more on supplies than the printer. Of course you will. Thats why the printers are so cheap. The money is made on carts, not printers. The price of carts bugs me (and lots of people) and I would rather the manufacturers charge more for the printer and less for carts. But makes me wonder if the manufacturers defeat themselves with the high cost of their carts, which many people do not buy and opt for compatibles or ink refillers or refill the carts themselves. The manufacturers have created a big market for carts that are non OEM and the companies who sell compatibles or inks for refilling are doing great from the manufacturers low price printers but high priced carts situation. > In the case of the ip1500, a thimble class printer, if you are burning > 10 cartridges per year even with aftermarket.... you stand to save > upgrading to the entry level class in under a year. If you are burning > 10 cartridges per year on something like the ip4000/4200/5200/5000, > unless you really like the quality of the images, it's worth > considering upgrading to laser, phaser, or something like a business > jet. OEM 10 cartridges on the ip4200. We are after all talking > $1000/year, and for photos one can always hold off and printbooth their > way to happyness and save up for a reasonably ecconomic model. A lower end printer is probably ok for me, though not the very cheapest. I will look for a printer that is not too expensive to buy and not too expensive carts. Well they are all too expensive, but I mean one that has compatible Staples carts, or if Staples carts become too expensive like they just went up for the 4000 yesterday, I will order compatibles online in Canada, which is easier so I don't have to bother about Customs at the border and can pay in Canadian dollars. Mary
From: Mary on 13 Apr 2006 17:57
"zakezuke" <zakezuke_us(a)yahoo.com> wrote in message news:1144909361.212223.147260(a)i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com... > > There are some things I like about the IP1500, but I really don't think > > I am as set on it as you think, or about tri color, though at the start, > > it was more the case. If it were completely true, I would have phoned > > Canon yesterday and told them to send me the refurb one but I have been > > indecisive and that has been my problem.. But I have slowly come to > > think that maybe you and Zak were right about the ip400, that it is a > > better printer, but that was after I found out that when I checked in > > Staples a couple of days ago and found out the ip4000 carts are not as > > expensive as I had thought and maybe won't be as hard on ink as the > > Epson I had. But the ip4000 is not available now anyway. I would > > consider the 4200 but they have no compatibles and yes, I must admit I > > want a printer with compatible carts so that part is true whatever > > printer I get. > > I think one of my other messages got lost in the shuffle. > > There is always themp760 and mp780, last I looked $200 and $400 on the > staples website. The mp750 isn't. These are mutli-fuctions based on > the ip4000. Here is the low down > > mp750 - scanner, sheetfeeder, no fax > mp760 - scanner, slide scanner, no fax > mp780 - scanner, sheet feeder, fax Zak, you have given me a lot of great details and information about prices of printers, features, and prices of various ink carts, ink refills. You have been extremely helpful. Burt has also given me a lot of information and Tony has been very helpful too and others here have given good suggestions as well, so I am glad I came here and know so much more about printers than I did before I came. You should call the newsgroup "Printers 101" - a lot of very knowledgeable people here. Mary |