From: Mary on
> "Tony" <TonytheTigurrrrr(a)aim.com> wrote in message

<snip>

> > Why not try it? No harm can be done.
> > Thanks Burt, I vaguely recollect something like that with the
previous
> series,
> > well worth a try.
> > Tony
>
> But since my printer is going back to Canon after I get the refurb
one,
> maybe a Canon tech will want to confirm what I said is true - (that I
> get an error message about the ink absorbers being almost full), and
> wonder why I wanted a refurb if mine seems ok (if the reset worked of
> course) - they wouldn't know it was reset but wouldn't see the error
> message that is supposed to be there..
>
> Mary

When I think of it, maybe they would know it had been reset ??

Mary

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From: Tony on
"Mary" <no(a)japamjunk.com> wrote:
>"Tony" <TonytheTigurrrrr(a)aim.com> wrote in message
>news:part1of1.1.jr5eMFRNYc5wMg(a)ue.ph...
>> "Mary" <nonon(a)nothin.com> wrote:
>> >"Burt" <sfbjgNOSPAM(a)pacbell.net> wrote in message
>> >news:NwE%f.15760$tN3.4697(a)newssvr27.news.prodigy.net...
>> >> "Tony" <TonytheTigurrrrr(a)aim.com> wrote in message
>> >> news:part1of1.1.qfqaDW$JuzLJ7w(a)ue.ph...
>> >> > Gary Tait <classicsat(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
>> >> >>"Mary" <no(a)japamjunk.com> wrote in
>news:e1mlks$tpq$1(a)emma.aioe.org:
>> >> >>
>> >> >>>> It's doubtful the diaper needs to be full to reset.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> Something in the service manual gives this impression.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>It shouldn't. My i320 never had any sensors fixed to or otherwise
>> >> >>detecting
>> >> >>the condition of the waste ink pad, and I doubt and other lower
>end
>> >> >>printer
>> >> >>would either.
>> >> >
>> >> > Gary
>> >> > The issue that Mary has been trying to overcome is that the Canon
>> >service
>> >> > programme will not reset either of the waste ink counters. The
>> >message
>> >> > that the
>> >> > printer is reporting is "Waste ink absorber almost full" (or
>> >similar). I
>> >> > know
>> >> > that at some time it will read "Waste ink absorber full" and
>prevent
>> >> > printing
>> >> > altogether. I am guessing (only speculation) that it will not
>permit
>> >reset
>> >> > until the Full message is posted. I agree that here is no sensor
>in
>> >or on
>> >> > the
>> >> > pads in this or any other inkjet I am aware of, the condition of
>the
>> >waste
>> >> > pads
>> >> > is an estimate. The service manual indicates that the resets are
>> >available
>> >> > when
>> >> > the Full message is posted it does not mention the Almost Full
>> >condition.
>> >> > We
>> >> > know that the utility has correctly identified the printer, it is
>a
>> >simple
>> >> > utility with very few options and selecting either of the reset
>> >options
>> >> > (for
>> >> > each pad) does nothing but it reports correct information about
>the
>> >> > printer.
>> >> > The service manual gives clear instructions on the use of the
>> >utility so
>> >> > either
>> >> > the utility does not work or Mary's printer is unable to be reset
>> >for some
>> >> > unknown reason or the reset only works only when the full, as
>> >opposed to
>> >> > almost
>> >> > full, message is posted.
>> >> > Tony
>> >>
>> >> Tony - I have read in some posts that the reset has worked on some
>> >Canon
>> >> printers only when the printhead is removed first. This is not
>from
>> >my
>> >> personal experience.
>> >
>> >I wonder if thats true as its something I didn't do or even thought
>> >about doing.
>> >
>> >Mary
>> >
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>>
>> Mary
>> Why not try it? No harm can be done.
>> Thanks Burt, I vaguely recollect something like that with the previous
>series,
>> well worth a try.
>> Tony
>
>But since my printer is going back to Canon after I get the refurb one,
>maybe a Canon tech will want to confirm what I said is true - (that I
>get an error message about the ink absorbers being almost full), and
>wonder why I wanted a refurb if mine seems ok (if the reset worked of
>course) - they wouldn't know it was reset but wouldn't see the error
>message that is supposed to be there..
>
>Mary

Sorry Mary
You are quite right.
Tony
From: Tony on
"Mary" <nonon(a)nothin.com> wrote:
>> "Tony" <TonytheTigurrrrr(a)aim.com> wrote in message
>
><snip>
>
>> > Why not try it? No harm can be done.
>> > Thanks Burt, I vaguely recollect something like that with the
>previous
>> series,
>> > well worth a try.
>> > Tony
>>
>> But since my printer is going back to Canon after I get the refurb
>one,
>> maybe a Canon tech will want to confirm what I said is true - (that I
>> get an error message about the ink absorbers being almost full), and
>> wonder why I wanted a refurb if mine seems ok (if the reset worked of
>> course) - they wouldn't know it was reset but wouldn't see the error
>> message that is supposed to be there..
>>
>> Mary
>
>When I think of it, maybe they would know it had been reset ??
>
>Mary
>
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Probably not worth the risk....go get your replacement!
Tony
From: zakezuke on

> http://www.weink.com/ecom/catalog/responsible_brand_bci-21_24_cartrid...
>
> I checked that one but I couldn't find any shipping costs. That has to
> be included.

Add to cart, checkout. Canada looks like $14.93 airmail, Ecconomy
$11.95, whether you order 1 bci-24bk or 8 bci-24bks. You'd have to
order at least 8 blacks to save a few bucks over staples... and even
then Ecconomy shipping is the only way you can order more without
additional shipping charges, and even then it's only $11.95 to 15
bci-24bks. And d'oh, we're dealing with US funds on weink arn't we.

15 blacks will run you Canadian shipped 108.45
15 blacks at staples will run you about $105 + tax.

You "may" save a few bucks if you order enough.... but you'd have to
order so many to even come close to saving a few bucks.

I have no experence with Responcible Ink (tm), nor does their website
list any Canadian dealers.

> Yes, the 4200 might eventually get compatibles. The Ip1500 carts are
> quite cheap at Staples, though but of course they are thimbles as you
> all say :)

Well.. it's not "that" horrible. Assuming a ratio of 3.8 to 1, I would
aprixmate 3.94 bci-3e or pgi-5 (ip 4000 and ip4200) tanks to 15 tanks
of Mr. Thimble black. 3.4 tanks of the 29ml staples brand.
15 canon thimble blacks today $141.90 - $9.46 each
15 thimble blacks staples today $106.35 - $7.09 each

3.4 29ml staple blacks today $43.248 - $12.72 each
3.94 Canon pgi-5 tanks $97.31 - $24.96 each (the name brand for the
ip4200)
All prices canadian, no tax added.

EEK the prices were better last week.

From: zakezuke on
> But since my printer is going back to Canon after I get the refurb one,
> maybe a Canon tech will want to confirm what I said is true - (that I
> get an error message about the ink absorbers being almost full), and
> wonder why I wanted a refurb if mine seems ok (if the reset worked of
> course) - they wouldn't know it was reset but wouldn't see the error
> message that is supposed to be there..

I don't think they honestly care, unless you are making a habbit of it.
I'm sure they get some printers back which don't have any issues.
Odds are this program of just send a referb costs them less in the long
run than dealing with a service center, who often charge a minium of
1.5 to 2hrs of labor for each problem no matter how simple.
In fact, they probally depend on printers comming back with basicly
little wrong with them just so they can have misc parts for older
models in stock rather than continuing to make parts. In a way, you
are doing them a favor in the fact that they can replace the diaper,
pop in a new head, give it a good lube job, and honor someone else's
warranty who likely got a full diaper without having to order parts
from Canon Japan.

Besides, even if people are being bozos... odds are those bozos are
paying top dollar for their ink, something that more than makes up for
sending out a referb.