The Electric Car
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From: rick_sobie on 26 Sep 2007 21:43 On Sep 27, 2:22 am, Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelati...(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > rick_so...(a)hotmail.com wrote: > > If you lived in the country, or on a farm, you would want to have a > > solar battery setup, > > I would WANT to have mains electricity actually. > > > and then you would produce your own power for > > your equipment for free using water. > > Not for free unless the the generating kit is being given away these days. > > Batteries require regular replacement too. That's not free either. > > Graham What does it cost to fill up a car these days? For the cost of two fillups, you can covert it to run on water using that simple principal. And in one of the videos I showed where he is in his garage with all that high tech milking equipment, he throws a match into the glass jar, and it explodes/(actually implodes) the gas rising off the surface with a bang, and it does no damage whatsoever. How safe is that? So every time a person dies in a fiery crash on the highway, that could have been prevented. Here is the video where he throws a match into the jar. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ykGZ2tRY4kY&mode=related&search=
From: Eeyore on 26 Sep 2007 22:02 rick_sobie(a)hotmail.com wrote: > What does it cost to fill up a car these days? > > For the cost of two fillups, you can covert it to run on water using > that simple principal. So, presumably in view of this compelling evidence you must have converted your car to run on water then ? Why not tell us how well it works ? Graham
From: Eeyore on 26 Sep 2007 22:05 Jamie wrote: > Eeyore wrote: > > Androcles wrote: > > > >>Cars are 18% efficient > > > > > > Only in the USA are they that bad. > > > > > There you go again! It's TRUE. American cars are notoriously inefficient. Graham
From: rick_sobie on 26 Sep 2007 22:41 On Sep 27, 3:02 am, Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelati...(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > rick_so...(a)hotmail.com wrote: > > What does it cost to fill up a car these days? > > > For the cost of two fillups, you can covert it to run on water using > > that simple principal. > > So, presumably in view of this compelling evidence you must have converted your > car to run on water then ? > > Why not tell us how well it works ? > > Graham I live downtown in Victoria. I hardly ever use my car. I spend maybe 200 bucks a year to fuel it but if I lived in the country I would convert it for sure. When someone comes up with a neat off the shelf package for 80 bucks at Canadian Tire (our automotive retail giant) I will throw one in the New Yorker. Until then I am too lazy to make one myself. No I am thinking of buying one of these electric bikes. http://www.e-ride.ca/Electric_Scooters/Motorino_BTr.html 4 cents a day to run it. And the cost is $1800 today but they will drop in price to a grand in a year or two. It is one of the fastest growing industries right now, making and selling these things. This is just stupid selling them for $11,000 when you can buy one for $1500 http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/lifestyle/329866_seenscene01.html Here is a nice one for $1800 http://www.e-ride.ca/Electric_Scooters/Motorino_XPi.html
From: Robert Adsett on 26 Sep 2007 23:00
In article <vaCKi.241403$fJ5.141450(a)pd7urf1no>, rick_sobie(a)hotmail.com says... > There is audio in this video. You just have to turn up the vlume a little. > In this video, the sheep farmer explains the plates inside a simple device for > separating hydrogen and oxygen. > He then hooks it up directly to the carbuerator, and then starts the car/van. > > The think weighs 5 pounds and is contained in an old brown sugar jar so you can > see it in action. > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BSdxEonivNU&mode=related&search= > > It has water in a jar, and a simple series of plates and a metal mesh around > the plates. > > He attaches the battery to the cell, and when the engine runs, the alternator > in the motor, increases its current as it charges your car battery, but that > same principal, produces enough gas to fire the motor and to increase the gas > production as you accellerate the motor. > > There you see a car running on water. On a device worth at most 100 bucks, > made by a sheep farmer. > > You could make it recycle the water coming out of the exhaust as some have > done. OK, let's run a simple sanity check. You have 1 - A battery feeding current to an electrolyzer generating a stoichiometric mixture of hydrogen and oxygen. 2 - The gas is fed to a ICE, running the engine and regenerating the water. 3 - A fraction of the ICE power is diverted to a generator/alternator back to the battery and electrolyzer. Now run through a simple set of efficiency numbers since all of these process are well known. We'll assume the battery is 100% efficient. It will be less but it simplifies the analysis and can be dealt with later if it matters. Step 1 - Electrolysis. There is an inevitable 15% loss on the conversion. That is the absolute maximum you could achieve, any real unit will be less and one like you've described will probably be much less. Step 2 - ICE efficiency, let's be generous and say 40% Step 3 - Lets be generous and say 50% of the ICE power is diverted to the generator. We'll also be generous and assume the generator is 100% efficient. Now if you work that through you have 0.85*0.4*0.5 = 17% efficiency. It's going to grind to a halt fairly quickly. You would be a lot further ahead just running off of the battery directly. > You can easily get 100 mpg on a liter of water. And it is safe because it > doesn't store gas. It only produces what it needs. Sooner or later, one of these backyard inventors fooling around with this stuff is going to blow things up in spectacular fashion. Robert -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com |