The Electric Car
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From: rick_sobie on 27 Sep 2007 00:09 On Sep 27, 4:52 am, Robert Adsett <s...(a)aeolusdevelopment.com> wrote: > In article <1190864038.610319.23...(a)o80g2000hse.googlegroups.com>, > says... > > > > > On Sep 27, 4:15 am, Robert Adsett <s...(a)aeolusdevelopment.com> wrote: > > > In article <1190860913.462208.183...(a)57g2000hsv.googlegroups.com>, > > > says... > > > > > No I am thinking of buying one of these electric bikes. > > > >http://www.e-ride.ca/Electric_Scooters/Motorino_BTr.html > > > > 4 cents a day to run it. > > > > > And the cost is $1800 today but they will drop in price to a grand in > > > > a year or two. It is one of the fastest growing industries right now, > > > > making and selling these things. > > > > > This is just stupid selling them for $11,000 when you can buy one for > > > > $1500 > > > >http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/lifestyle/329866_seenscene01.html > > > > > Here is a nice one for $1800 > > > >http://www.e-ride.ca/Electric_Scooters/Motorino_XPi.html > > > > Did you look at the specifications? Those are very different machines. > > > One with a 30km range and a 30km/hr top speed, the other with a 60mile > > > range and a 60mph top speed. > > > I think the regulations are different in America and Canada. > > In America they are allowed to let them go faster. In Canada they > > managed to get them classified as a bike, so you don't have to even > > have a drivers license. > > Not in most of the country as far as I know. I'm fairly certain that > scooters are classified as motorcycles in Ontario for instance. > > > If you want an electric motorcycle, then in Canada you need a drivers > > license to operate those, and they sell for about $2,500 to $3,500 > > > It depends what you want one for. For me, just to get around the city, > > it would be perfect. And since it is classified as a bike, you don't > > even have to pay for parking. You can park a bicycle anywhere. > > > So it faster than a car to get around in the city, even faster than > > the bus, according to people who have bought them in Vancouver. > > But they are limited to 32 km hr. Well that is normal for in city > > driving. > > 30km/hr is reasonable for some in city driving but most of the countries > urban roads have 50 or 60km/hr limit so you are travelling slower than > the rest of the traffic. Not necessarily a huge impediment but I'd want > to stay out of heavy traffic. > > > > > If you wanted to take one on the highway, well if you want to be in > > traffic on the highway, then you would want an electric motorcycle. > > This one will do 70 km hr. which would be ok for commuting. > > Considering it only costs $2,700 brand new, thats pretty cheap. > > And pennies a day to run. Like maybe 8 cents a day. > >http://www.e-ride.ca/Electric_Motorcycles/MotGTc.html > > 70km/hr is close to suicide on the highway. It's dangerous enough in an > automobile I shudder to imagine what that would be like on a bike. > > > You see why spend 40 or 50,000 on an electric car, when you can spend > > $2,700 on a bike? > > There's a little matter of 6-8 months of snow, ice and sleet. > > Robert > Well here, during rush hour, you can't get going up to 80 km hr on the highway out of town because of traffic. Otherwise you would have to take an alternate route, that wasn't the main highway. Then you would be alright. I probably wouldn't buy an electric motorcycle. I think cars vans trucks motorhomes and buses should be run on Brown's Gas. It isn't practical to run them on electricity and running them on water gives you more power and no pollution. But really these 32 km/hr scooters are designed for in city driving. They have advantages like free parking, and you can sneak by cars on the right, use the bike lanes, etc. But really it never made sense to me, to promote electric cars, when Brown's Gas is in use, people are doing it themselves, and it costs nothing to run your car. Of course then, you won't be at the pumps, won't be feeding the oil empires and won't be taxed, so there is a huge effort to prevent that worldwide by so many wealthy groups and individuals. But you know, America is going broke fast. So they just don't have any choice in the matter. Go for Brown's Gas, or go broke. http://www.vnunet.com/financial-director/analysis/2199419/sub-prime-ridiculous
From: Dan Bloomquist on 27 Sep 2007 01:24 I've stopped reading this thread. Too many retards.......
From: bill on 27 Sep 2007 01:35 On Sep 26, 6:56 pm, Punjab The Sailor Man <boobooililili...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > The Ghost In The Machine wrote: > > > > > In sci.physics, Eeyore > > <rabbitsfriendsandrelati...(a)hotmail.com> > > wrote > > on Tue, 25 Sep 2007 15:26:07 +0100 > > <46F91A7F.4A7B8...(a)hotmail.com>: > > >> MooseFET wrote: > > >>> Eeyore wrote: > >>>> paradox137 wrote: > >>>>> I read a report on a high density capacitor that could be charged in 5 > >>>>> minutes and used as a battery for a hybrid vehicle. On one charge the > >>>>> average car could go 500 miles. Assuming no technical problems this will > >>>>> be a life saver. > >>>> Complete rubbish. You read no such thing and made up the rest. > > >>>> Capacitors (even the latest gee-whizziest ones) don't have the required energy > >>>> density. A car might go half a mile on an ultracap. > >>> No, there is a group claiming the same energy capacity as a lead acid > >>> battery from a capacitor. So far, you need a microscope to see their > >>> experimental unit. Unfortunately I don't remember the link. > >> You mean EEStor. > > >> They've yet to make even a 'prototype'. I suspect they've misunderstood some basic > >> fundamentals about barium titanate dielectrics. Like their voltage coefficient ! > > >> It may simply be a scam. > > > Even if legitimate, the best they can do is about on par > > with a standard battery, and one has to assume capacitor > > electrodes about 2 atoms wide to get there. > > >> Graham > > Plutonium batteries last longer. A nuclear powered car only needs > refueling once in 20 years with unlimited mileage. You could plug your > house into it. and either a top speed of 6 mph or a mass of 210 tons. decay batteries have a LOW charge density.
From: bill on 27 Sep 2007 01:47 On Sep 26, 6:57 pm, rick_so...(a)hotmail.com wrote: > On Sep 26, 11:48 pm, Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelati...(a)hotmail.com> > wrote: > > > rick_so...(a)hotmail.com wrote: > > > Yeah this is really difficult to duplicate. It is rocket science. > > > Someday scientists will study it. > > >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SYNwuLL_pOE > > > Scientists have known about electrolysis for a LONG LONG time. > > > You get less energy back (as flammable gases) than you put in (as electricity). > > > It's a waste of energy. > > > Graham > > lol Oh yes we believe you. > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BSdxEonivNU&mode=related&search= The second law of thermos guarantees that you will lose energy in ANY chemical or physical process. Electricity production from coal is a chemical/physical process (60% efficient at best) Electrolysis is a chemical process. (90-95% efficient) Compression is a physical process (80% efficient) combustion is a chemical process (30% efficient) For a fuel to wheels efficiency of 13%. Burning the fuel directly in the car is 30% efficient. so it takes more than twice the original btus of fuel to move the car using electrolyzed hydrogen compared to direct burning. By comparison, battery storage on the car gives 60% (generation) - > 90% (storage round trip) -> 90% (motor) for a fuel to wheels of 49%, or a little more than half the btus of fuel for an ev to move the same mileage.
From: Androcles on 27 Sep 2007 02:12
"Eeyore" <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message news:46FB099F.B0DAA4DA(a)hotmail.com... : : : Androcles wrote: : : > Cars are 18% efficient : : Only in What? |