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From: Bill Ward on 22 Nov 2008 23:33 On Sun, 23 Nov 2008 03:09:04 +0000, Eeyore wrote: > > > Bill Ward wrote: > >> krw wrote: >> > bward(a)REMOVETHISix.netcom.com says... >> >> On Sat, 22 Nov 2008 08:13:45 -0800, a7yvm109gf5d1 wrote: >> >> > Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelati...(a)hotmail.com> wrote: >> >> >> z wrote: >> >> >> > Actually, GISS now reports the corrected October temps as 5th >> >> >> > highest >> >> >> >> >> >> But they LIED initially ANYWAY ! >> >> >> >> >> >> Graham >> >> > >> >> > That's absurd. Science works by self-correction mechanisms like >> >> > this. >> >> >> >> But that's exactly the point. They didn't correct themselves. They >> >> posted incorrect data which was found and corrected by amateurs, and >> >> it's not the first time. >> > >> > Ever notice that all the "errors" are in one direction? >> >> Strange, isn't it? What are the odds on that happening by chance? > > Ever heard of 'loaded dice' ? > > I reckon it's the MORAL DUTY of every decent engineer and scientist with a > clear perspective to crush the AGW lie in 2009. > > Also I'd like to see ANY politician or scientist who backed it barred from > office for not less than 10 years. And see the Nobel committee withdraw > Gore's fraudulent 'prize'. And his comic film sent to a 'memory hole' > except for one copy where we can examine how almost the entire world was > misled by a bunch of freaks, chancers and opportunists. Oh, I don't know about censoring it. With the right laugh track, it might be a campy hit. In five years, it'll be a big joke, and no one will admit ever believing it, just like the now denied global cooling fiasco. > Graham
From: Eeyore on 23 Nov 2008 04:58 Bill Ward wrote: > Eeyore wrote: > > Bill Ward wrote: > >> krw wrote: > >> > bward(a)REMOVETHISix.netcom.com says... > >> >> , a7yvm109gf5d1 wrote: > >> >> > Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelati...(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > >> >> >> z wrote: > >> >> >> > Actually, GISS now reports the corrected October temps as 5th > >> >> >> > highest > >> >> >> > >> >> >> But they LIED initially ANYWAY ! > >> >> > > >> >> > That's absurd. Science works by self-correction mechanisms like > >> >> > this. > >> >> > >> >> But that's exactly the point. They didn't correct themselves. They > >> >> posted incorrect data which was found and corrected by amateurs, and > >> >> it's not the first time. > >> > > >> > Ever notice that all the "errors" are in one direction? > >> > >> Strange, isn't it? What are the odds on that happening by chance? > > > > Ever heard of 'loaded dice' ? > > > > I reckon it's the MORAL DUTY of every decent engineer and scientist with a > > clear perspective to crush the AGW lie in 2009. > > > > Also I'd like to see ANY politician or scientist who backed it barred from > > office for not less than 10 years. And see the Nobel committee withdraw > > Gore's fraudulent 'prize'. And his comic film sent to a 'memory hole' > > except for one copy where we can examine how almost the entire world was > > misled by a bunch of freaks, chancers and opportunists. > > Oh, I don't know about censoring it. With the right laugh track, it might > be a campy hit. In five years, it'll be a big joke, and no one will admit > ever believing it, just like the now denied global cooling fiasco. The laugh track idea is brilliant. Plus some heckling from the audience too. It could be a real hit. Graham
From: Eeyore on 23 Nov 2008 04:59 James Arthur wrote: > krw wrote: > > bward(a)REMOVETHISix.netcom.com says... > >> On Sat, 22 Nov 2008 08:13:45 -0800, a7yvm109gf5d1 wrote: > >>> On Nov 22, 1:03 am, Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelati...(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > >>>> z wrote: > >>>>> Actually, GISS now reports the corrected October temps as 5th highest > >>>> But they LIED initially ANYWAY ! > >>>> > >>> That's absurd. Science works by self-correction mechanisms like this. > >> But that's exactly the point. They didn't correct themselves. They > >> posted incorrect data which was found and corrected by amateurs, and it's > >> not the first time. > > > > Ever notice that all the "errors" are in one direction? > > Yes. Excellent point. > > IOW, systematic bias. That's not very scientific. Or systemic bias even ? Graham
From: bill.sloman on 23 Nov 2008 07:43 On 23 nov, 03:45, Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelati...(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > Richard The Dreaded Libertarian wrote: > > > > > > > On Sat, 22 Nov 2008 05:21:04 +0000, Eeyore wrote: > > > Richard The Dreaded Libertarian wrote: > > >> On Fri, 21 Nov 2008 23:00:00 +0000, Me wrote: ... > > >> > Dr Pachauri, a former railway engineer with no qualifications in > > >> > climate science, may believe what Dr Hansen tells him. But whether, on > > >> > the basis of such evidence, it is wise for the world's governments to > > >> > embark on some of the most costly economic measures ever proposed, to > > >> > remedy a problem which may actually not exist, is a question which > > >> > should give us all pause for thought. > > >> >http://www.telegraph.co.uk/core/Content/displayPrintable.jhtml?xml=/o... > > > >> Hear, Hear! > > > > Crikey ! You do know it's a right wing paper I hope ? ;~) > > > That's irrelevant when what they're saying is true. > > I was just pulling your leg for fun ! ;~) > > Yes, even right-wingers can be right some of the time. You know as Parliament debated the latest Climate Change Bill here > in the UK as snow fell on the roof for the first time that early in the year since 1922 it was our former Conservative MP > for St Albans who queried the basis of it all. Previously I had no respect for the man other than he helped my g/f get her new car put right by BL when the dealers couldn't. > > The Speaker of the House did what ? He told him to 'shut up' ! I thought Parliament was for debate. Informed debate. Your former MP for St. Albans seems to be as ill- informed as you are, and the Speaker of the House does seem to be better-informed (which wouldn't be difficult). > A very well-considered critic of AGW here is the former Conservative Cabiner Minister Nigel Lawson too. > I had no time for the man back then either. But he can see the fraud. He knows even less about science than Eeyore, which leaves him equally free to see fraud in arguments he too can't follow. > I want to see those heads in baskets by the 10s of thousands. You set your sight too low. If you keep on denying anthropogenic global warming for long enough, and you will kill off billions. > Don't forget the world's COOLING btw ! Eeyore's grasp of the science involved is rather too feeble to allow him to undertand that anthropogenic global warming is a relatively slow trend superimposed on a fairly large natural variation. The current short term trend is indeed downwards, as has happened frequently over the last century or so, but the over-riding long term warming trend seems very likely to persist as long as atmospheric carbon dioxide levels keep on rising http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Instrumental_Temperature_Record.png http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Mauna_Loa_Carbon_Dioxide-en.svg Eeyore seems to lack the background knowledge to appreciate the - tolerably indirect - connection between these two pieces of information, but better-informed commentators find it more persuasive. -- Bill Sloman, Nijmegen
From: bill.sloman on 23 Nov 2008 07:52
On 23 nov, 04:09, Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelati...(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > Bill Ward wrote: > > krw wrote: > > > bw...(a)REMOVETHISix.netcom.com says... > > >> On Sat, 22 Nov 2008 08:13:45 -0800, a7yvm109gf5d1 wrote: > > >> > Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelati...(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > > >> >> z wrote: > > >> >> > Actually, GISS now reports the corrected October temps as 5th > > >> >> > highest > > > >> >> But they LIED initially ANYWAY ! > > > >> >> Graham > > > >> > That's absurd. Science works by self-correction mechanisms like this. > > > >> But that's exactly the point. They didn't correct themselves. They > > >> posted incorrect data which was found and corrected by amateurs, and > > >> it's not the first time. > > > > Ever notice that all the "errors" are in one direction? > > > Strange, isn't it? What are the odds on that happening by chance? > > Ever heard of 'loaded dice' ? > > I reckon it's the MORAL DUTY of every decent engineer and scientist with a > clear perspective to crush the AGW lie in 2009. > > Also I'd like to see ANY politician or scientist who backed it barred from > office for not less than 10 years. And see the Nobel committee withdraw Gore's > fraudulent 'prize'. And his comic film sent to a 'memory hole' except for one > copy where we can examine how almost the entire world was misled by a bunch of > freaks, chancers and opportunists. When Graham is restored to his senses - if this ever happens - he will presumably want the entire board of Exxon-Mobil burnt at the stake, along with the staff of the psuedo-science institutes that Exxon-Mobil has funded to mislead ill-informed nitwits like him. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Enterprise_Institute -- Bill Sloman, Nijmegen |