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From: Jason on 19 Jul 2010 19:14 In article <NsydnYIgEuj1MNnRnZ2dnUVZ_jCdnZ2d(a)giganews.com>, Ralph <mmman_90(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > On 7/18/2010 9:56 PM, Jason wrote: > > In article > > <92c62dc8-b13e-46e8-9ebe-b3a1fc09bf76(a)c36g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, "Bob > > T."<bob(a)synapse-cs.com> wrote: > > > >> On Jul 18, 1:40=A0pm, Ja...(a)nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > >>> In article > >>> <ef5793ee-e12a-4893-81f6-e84b68198...(a)p22g2000pre.googlegroups.com>, "Bob > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> T."<b...(a)synapse-cs.com> wrote: > >>>> On Jul 18, 12:48=3DA0pm, Ja...(a)nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > >>>>>> But you don't know very much about biology, so why should anyone ca= > >> re > >>>>>> what you think the subject? =3DA0You just now admitted that your so= > >> urces > >>>>>> for the answers to scientific questions are the Bible and your own > >>>>>> imagination - it's no wonder that you're completely wrong! > >>> > >>>>>> For your information, Jason, you yourself used to be a one celled l= > >> ife > >>>>>> form. =3DA0Since then you have increased billions of times in size = > >> and > >>>>>> dozens of times in intelligence. =3DA0If that happened to you in a = > >> few > >>>>>> short decades, how can you possible claim it's impossible for speci= > >> es > >>>>>> to make that same change in billions of years? =3DA0Oh, right - it > >>>>>> contradicts Genesis, so you know it ain't true. > >>> > >>>>>> - Bob T > >>> > >>>>> Bob, > >>>>> Yes, you and I started out as a one celled life form. That's not an i= > >> ssue=3D > >>>> . > >>>>> The issue is that many of the advocates of abiogenesis believe that > >>>>> mankind evolved from a one celled life form. > >>> > >>>> Actually, that's not "abiogenesis", that's just evolution... and yes, > >>>> everyone who understands biology knows that humans evolved from single- > >>>> celled life-forms. > >>> > >>> That's not true. The professors that teach at the ICR college understand > >>> biology and even teach biology. They believe that God created life on thi= > >> s > >>> planet and humans did NOT evolve from single celled life forms. > >> > >> A belief they had before they studied biology and a belief they kept, > >> for religious reasons, after they studied. > >> > >>> Believe it or not, not all college graduates that have taken college biol= > >> ogy classes > >>> don't agree with you. They understand biology as much as evolutionists. > >> > >> The are prevented from understanding the parts that conflict with > >> their religion by fear of offending their deity. > >> > >> - Bob T > >>> > >>> - Show quoted text - > > > > I have seen poles indicating that about half the people in America believe > > that God created mankind and life on this planet. The brainwashing by > > biology professors is not working well. > > > > That is a shame in the 21st Century that we have so many ignorant people > in this country. > > A friend of mine is running for congress from our district. I attended a > rally for him last week and he said that the most disappointing thing > he has found in campaigning, is the ignorance of the American voter. I > think he must have had a picture of you in mind when he said it. Or perhaps you.
From: Ralph on 19 Jul 2010 20:15 On 7/19/2010 6:58 PM, Jason wrote: > In article<3bmdnSkL-6miMtnRnZ2dnUVZ_o6dnZ2d(a)giganews.com>, Ralph > <mmman_90(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > >> On 7/18/2010 11:58 PM, Jason wrote: >>> In article<l6c74613lbqrvudrp5sf83hv1cgbe99shu(a)4ax.com>, Free Lunch >>> <lunch(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote: >>> >>>> On Sun, 18 Jul 2010 18:54:20 -0700, Jason(a)nospam.com (Jason) wrote in >>>> alt.atheism: >>>> >>>>> In article<4c438ffe(a)news.x-privat.org>, "Ips-Switch" >>>>> <Ips-Switch(a)nospam.invalid> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> "Jason"<Jason(a)nospam.com> wrote in message >>>>>> news:Jason-1807101340380001(a)67-150-175-229.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com... >>>>>>> That's not true. The professors that teach at the ICR college understand >>>>>>> biology and even teach biology. They believe that God created life >>> on this >>>>>>> planet and humans did NOT evolve from single celled life forms. >>> Believe it >>>>>>> or not, not all college graduates that have taken college biology > classes >>>>>>> don't agree with you. They understand biology as much as evolutionists. >>>>>> >>>>>> Professors of what? Dentistry? French History? If they understand >>> biology >>>>>> they would know as much as these evolutionists you are so obsessed >>> with and >>>>>> not be teaching superstition, religion and plain old magic. >>>>> >>>>> They know about evolution but believe that God created mankind and life on >>>>> this planet. Even Darwin believed that God created life on this planet. >>>>> >>>> He didn't even appear to believe in any gods by the end of his life. >>>> >>>> You are dishonest. You are a shame to your religion. >>>> >>>> Luckily for you, the god you keep going on about does not exist. If he >>>> did, he would destroy you for being so offensive to him. >>> >>> Several people have asked me for proof that Darwin believed that a creator >>> God was responsible for the creation of mankind. >>> >>> I found information on a website: >>> >>> http://pandasthumb.org/archives/2008/03/expelled-expose.html >>> >>> I wonder, would a public school teacher in Harrisburg, Pennsylvania, be >>> allowed to say the following: >>> �It is interesting to contemplate � [all the many forms of life on earth] >>> � so different from each other, have all been produced by laws acting >>> around us. � There is grandeur in this view of life, HAVING BEEN >>> ORIGINALLY BREATHED [BY THE CREATOR] INTO A FEW FORMS OR INTO ONE; and >>> that from so simple a beginning, endless forms most beautiful and most >>> wonderful have been, and are being evolved.� >>> Just imagine a public school teacher who says those words: that God >>> creates life and places it on the earth in a few forms, and then that life >>> evolves according to the physical and natural laws that God put into place >>> in the universe. >>> Would that be allowed? >>> Actually, it should be REQUIRED FOR THE TEACHER TO SAY THAT. >>> Why? Because the quote is from: On the Origin of the Species, Chapter XV, >>> Recapitulation and Conclusion, By Charles Darwin. >>> If you are going to teach Darwin�s theory of evolution in public schools, >>> you should teach what Darwin actually wrote about it. >>> Michael S. Class Author >>> Anthony and the Magic Picture Frame: The History Book with a Message for >>> Today�s Young Americans >>> >>> If you google "breathed into a few forms or into one", you will get lots >>> of hits and may be able to find the name of the edition that had these >>> words. >>> >>> One internet website stated that the actual words were: >>> >>> There is grandeur in this view of life, with its several powers having >>> been orginially breathed into a few forms or into one. >>> >>> Darwin (in his younger years) planned to become a minister and as a result >>> knew lots of information about the Bible. He may have had this scripture >>> in mind when he wrote the above quotation: >>> >>> Genesis 2:7 An the Lord God formed man out of the dust of the ground and >>> breathed life into his nostrils the breath of life and man became a living >>> soul. >> >> >> >> You poor simpleton, that cane from a letter from a reader, not anyone at >> the site. If you had read on further you would have found the entire >> reading, in context: >> >> It is interesting to contemplate an entangled bank, clothed with >> many plants of many kinds, with birds singing on the bushes, with >> various insects flitting about, and with worms crawling through the damp >> earth, and to reflect that these elaborately constructed forms, so >> different from each other, and dependent on each other in so complex a >> manner, have all been produced by laws acting around us. >> >> These laws, taken in the largest sense, being: >> >> * Growth with Reproduction, >> >> * Inheritance, which is almost implied by reproduction. >> >> * Variability from the indirect and direct action of the external >> conditions of life, and from use and disuse. >> >> * A Ratio of Increase so high as to lead to a Struggle for Life � >> >> * � and as a consequence to Natural Selection, entailing Divergence >> of Character and the Extinction of less-improved forms. >> >> Thus, from the war of nature, from famine and death, the most >> exalted object which we are capable of conceiving, namely, the >> production of the higher animals, directly follows. >> >> There is grandeur in this view of life, with its several powers, >> having been originally breathed into a few forms or into one; and that, >> whilst this planet has gone cycling on according to the fixed law of >> gravity, from so simple a beginning endless forms most beautiful and >> most wonderful have been, and are being, evolved. >> >> >> Keep pounding the keyboard Jason, you're one of our prime examples of >> the type of people who support creationism. > > Do you recall from the various posts that several people told me or at > least strongly implied that I was wrong when I stated that Darwin wrote in > his famous book that he believed that God created mankind and life on this > planet? It turns out that I was telling the truth and I proved it. Like hell you did, you simpleton. It is difficult for you to hold on to that position when all the folks in four NG's can see the posts. Can't you see what Darwin said in the above post? Show me where god was mentioned above. Of > course, I knew I was telling the truth since I had seen those same words > last year. One of the posters told me about those words mentioned above > and even I was shocked when I read what Darwin had actually written about > his beliefs. It's obvious from his words, that he did not believe that > mankind evolved from a single celled life form and he also believed that > God created beautiful and wonderful plants and animals. Darwin would have been shocked at your interpretation of his words.
From: Ralph on 19 Jul 2010 20:24 On 7/19/2010 7:14 PM, Jason wrote: > In article<NsydnYIgEuj1MNnRnZ2dnUVZ_jCdnZ2d(a)giganews.com>, Ralph > <mmman_90(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > >> On 7/18/2010 9:56 PM, Jason wrote: >>> In article >>> <92c62dc8-b13e-46e8-9ebe-b3a1fc09bf76(a)c36g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, "Bob >>> T."<bob(a)synapse-cs.com> wrote: >>> >>>> On Jul 18, 1:40=A0pm, Ja...(a)nospam.com (Jason) wrote: >>>>> In article >>>>> <ef5793ee-e12a-4893-81f6-e84b68198...(a)p22g2000pre.googlegroups.com>, "Bob >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> T."<b...(a)synapse-cs.com> wrote: >>>>>> On Jul 18, 12:48=3DA0pm, Ja...(a)nospam.com (Jason) wrote: >>>>>>>> But you don't know very much about biology, so why should anyone ca= >>>> re >>>>>>>> what you think the subject? =3DA0You just now admitted that your so= >>>> urces >>>>>>>> for the answers to scientific questions are the Bible and your own >>>>>>>> imagination - it's no wonder that you're completely wrong! >>>>> >>>>>>>> For your information, Jason, you yourself used to be a one celled l= >>>> ife >>>>>>>> form. =3DA0Since then you have increased billions of times in size = >>>> and >>>>>>>> dozens of times in intelligence. =3DA0If that happened to you in a = >>>> few >>>>>>>> short decades, how can you possible claim it's impossible for speci= >>>> es >>>>>>>> to make that same change in billions of years? =3DA0Oh, right - it >>>>>>>> contradicts Genesis, so you know it ain't true. >>>>> >>>>>>>> - Bob T >>>>> >>>>>>> Bob, >>>>>>> Yes, you and I started out as a one celled life form. That's not an i= >>>> ssue=3D >>>>>> . >>>>>>> The issue is that many of the advocates of abiogenesis believe that >>>>>>> mankind evolved from a one celled life form. >>>>> >>>>>> Actually, that's not "abiogenesis", that's just evolution... and yes, >>>>>> everyone who understands biology knows that humans evolved from single- >>>>>> celled life-forms. >>>>> >>>>> That's not true. The professors that teach at the ICR college understand >>>>> biology and even teach biology. They believe that God created life on thi= >>>> s >>>>> planet and humans did NOT evolve from single celled life forms. >>>> >>>> A belief they had before they studied biology and a belief they kept, >>>> for religious reasons, after they studied. >>>> >>>>> Believe it or not, not all college graduates that have taken college biol= >>>> ogy classes >>>>> don't agree with you. They understand biology as much as evolutionists. >>>> >>>> The are prevented from understanding the parts that conflict with >>>> their religion by fear of offending their deity. >>>> >>>> - Bob T >>>>> >>>>> - Show quoted text - >>> >>> I have seen poles indicating that about half the people in America believe >>> that God created mankind and life on this planet. The brainwashing by >>> biology professors is not working well. >> >> >> >> That is a shame in the 21st Century that we have so many ignorant people >> in this country. >> >> A friend of mine is running for congress from our district. I attended a >> rally for him last week and he said that the most disappointing thing >> he has found in campaigning, is the ignorance of the American voter. I >> think he must have had a picture of you in mind when he said it. > > Or perhaps you. > > I'm not the one who believes in talking snakes and talking asses.
From: Mark K Bilbo on 19 Jul 2010 20:40 On Mon, 19 Jul 2010 16:09:52 -0700, Jason wrote: > I don't whether or not it > refers to single or multi-celled life forms such as protozoan. <face> <palm> <sigh> -- Mark K. Bilbo a.a. #1423 EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion ------------------------------------------------------------ "You know, I'd get it if people were just looking for a way to fill the holes. But they want the holes. They wanna live in the holes. And they go nuts when someone else pours dirt in their holes. "Climb out of your holes people!" - Dr. House, on faith
From: Mark K Bilbo on 19 Jul 2010 20:41
On Mon, 19 Jul 2010 15:58:04 -0700, Jason wrote: > Do you recall from the various posts that several people told me or at > least strongly implied that I was wrong when I stated that Darwin wrote > in his famous book that he believed that God created mankind and life on > this planet? It turns out that I was telling the truth and I proved it. > Of course, I knew I was telling the truth since I had seen those same > words last year. One of the posters told me about those words mentioned > above and even I was shocked when I read what Darwin had actually > written about his beliefs. It's obvious from his words, that he did not > believe that mankind evolved from a single celled life form and he also > believed that God created beautiful and wonderful plants and animals. You lie. You proved nothing except that you are a blithering *idiot*. -- Mark K. Bilbo a.a. #1423 EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion ------------------------------------------------------------ "You know, I'd get it if people were just looking for a way to fill the holes. But they want the holes. They wanna live in the holes. And they go nuts when someone else pours dirt in their holes. "Climb out of your holes people!" - Dr. House, on faith |