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From: John Park on 19 Jul 2010 21:37 "nuny(a)bid.nes" (alien8752(a)gmail.com) writes: > On Jul 18, 6:56=A0pm, Ja...(a)nospam.com (Jason) wrote: >> In article >> <92c62dc8-b13e-46e8-9ebe-b3a1fc09b...(a)c36g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, "Bob >> >> >> >> T." <b...(a)synapse-cs.com> wrote: >> > On Jul 18, 1:40=3DA0pm, Ja...(a)nospam.com (Jason) wrote: >> > > In article >> > > <ef5793ee-e12a-4893-81f6-e84b68198...(a)p22g2000pre.googlegroups.com>, = > "Bob >> >> > > T." <b...(a)synapse-cs.com> wrote: >> > > > On Jul 18, 12:48=3D3DA0pm, Ja...(a)nospam.com (Jason) wrote: >> > > > > > But you don't know very much about biology, so why should anyon= > e ca=3D >> > re >> > > > > > what you think the subject? =3D3DA0You just now admitted that y= > our so=3D >> > urces >> > > > > > for the answers to scientific questions are the Bible and your = > own >> > > > > > imagination - it's no wonder that you're completely wrong! >> >> > > > > > For your information, Jason, you yourself used to be a one cell= > ed l=3D >> > ife >> > > > > > form. =3D3DA0Since then you have increased billions of times in= > size =3D >> > and >> > > > > > dozens of times in intelligence. =3D3DA0If that happened to you= > in a =3D >> > few >> > > > > > short decades, how can you possible claim it's impossible for s= > peci=3D >> > es >> > > > > > to make that same change in billions of years? =3D3DA0Oh, right= > - it >> > > > > > contradicts Genesis, so you know it ain't true. >> >> > > > > > - Bob T >> >> > > > > Bob, >> > > > > Yes, you and I started out as a one celled life form. That's not = > an i=3D >> > ssue=3D3D >> > > > . >> > > > > The issue is that many of the advocates of abiogenesis believe th= > at >> > > > > mankind evolved from a one celled life form. >> >> > > > Actually, that's not "abiogenesis", that's just evolution... and ye= > s, >> > > > everyone who understands biology knows that humans evolved from sin= > gle- >> > > > celled life-forms. >> >> > > That's not true. The professors that teach at the ICR college underst= > and >> > > biology and even teach biology. They believe that God created life on= > thi=3D >> > s >> > > planet and humans did NOT evolve from single celled life forms. >> >> > A belief they had before they studied biology and a belief they kept, >> > for religious reasons, after they studied. >> >> > > Believe it or not, not all college graduates that have taken college = > biol=3D >> > ogy classes >> > > don't agree with you. They understand biology as much as evolutionist= > s. >> >> > The are prevented from understanding the parts that conflict with >> > their religion by fear of offending their deity. >> >> > - Bob T >> >> > > - Show quoted text - >> >> I have seen poles indicating that about half the people in America believ= > e >> that God created mankind and life on this planet. The brainwashing by >> biology professors is not working well. > > Why should anyone care what people in Poland think about it? > Maybe he means hydro poles with graffiti stapled on. --John Park
From: AllSeeing-I on 19 Jul 2010 22:19 On Jul 19, 8:13 am, Devils Advocaat <mankyg...(a)yahoo.co.uk> wrote: > On 19 July, 09:33, Ja...(a)nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > > > > > > > In article > > <30f9f50b-09a1-4e69-b670-6c805d584...(a)x21g2000yqa.googlegroups.com>, > > > Devils Advocaat <mankyg...(a)yahoo.co.uk> wrote: > > > On 19 July, 04:58, Ja...(a)nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > > > > In article <l6c74613lbqrvudrp5sf83hv1cgbe99...(a)4ax.com>, Free Lunch > > > > > <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote: > > > > > On Sun, 18 Jul 2010 18:54:20 -0700, Ja...(a)nospam.com (Jason) wrote in > > > > > alt.atheism: > > > > > > >In article <4c438...(a)news.x-privat.org>, "Ips-Switch" > > > > > ><Ips-Swi...(a)nospam.invalid> wrote: > > > > > > >> "Jason" <Ja...(a)nospam.com> wrote in message > > > > > >>news:Jason-1807101340380001(a)67-150-175-229.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com... > > > > > >> > That's not true. The professors that teach at the ICR college unde= > > > rstand > > > > > >> > biology and even teach biology. They believe that God created life > > > > on this > > > > > >> > planet and humans did NOT evolve from single celled life forms. > > > > Believe it > > > > > >> > or not, not all college graduates that have taken college biology = > > > classes > > > > > >> > don't agree with you. They understand biology as much as evolution= > > > ists. > > > > > > >> Professors of what? =C2=A0Dentistry? =C2=A0French History? =C2=A0If = > > > they understand > > > > biology > > > > > >> they would know as much as these evolutionists you are so obsessed > > > > with and > > > > > >> not be teaching superstition, religion and plain old magic. > > > > > > >They know about evolution but believe that God created mankind and lif= > > > e on > > > > > >this planet. Even Darwin believed that God created life on this planet= > > > . > > > > > > He didn't even appear to believe in any gods by the end of his life. > > > > > > You are dishonest. You are a shame to your religion. > > > > > > Luckily for you, the god you keep going on about does not exist. If he > > > > > did, he would destroy you for being so offensive to him. > > > > > Several people have asked me for proof that Darwin believed that a creato= > > > r > > > > God was responsible for the creation of mankind. > > > > > I found information on a website: > > > > >http://pandasthumb.org/archives/2008/03/expelled-expose.html > > > > > I wonder, would a public school teacher in Harrisburg, Pennsylvania, be > > > > allowed to say the following: > > > > =C2=B3It is interesting to contemplate =C5=A0 [all the many forms of life= > > > on earth] > > > > =C5=A0 so different from each other, have all been produced by laws actin= > > > g > > > > around us. =C5=A0 There is grandeur in this view of life, HAVING BEEN > > > > ORIGINALLY BREATHED [BY THE CREATOR] INTO A FEW FORMS OR INTO ONE; and > > > > that from so simple a beginning, endless forms most beautiful and most > > > > wonderful have been, and are being evolved.=C2=B2 > > > > Just imagine a public school teacher who says those words: that God > > > > creates life and places it on the earth in a few forms, and then that lif= > > > e > > > > evolves according to the physical and natural laws that God put into plac= > > > e > > > > in the universe. > > > > Would that be allowed? > > > > Actually, it should be REQUIRED FOR THE TEACHER TO SAY THAT. > > > > Why? Because the quote is from: On the Origin of the Species, Chapter XV, > > > > Recapitulation and Conclusion, By Charles Darwin. > > > > If you are going to teach Darwin=C2=B9s theory of evolution in public sch= > > > ools, > > > > you should teach what Darwin actually wrote about it. > > > > Michael S. Class Author > > > > Anthony and the Magic Picture Frame: The History Book with a Message for > > > > Today=C2=B9s Young Americans > > > > > If you google "breathed into a few forms or into one", you will get lots > > > > of hits and may be able to find the name of the edition that had these > > > > words. > > > > > One internet website stated that the actual words were: > > > > > There is grandeur in this view of life, with its several powers having > > > > been orginially breathed into a few forms or into one. > > > > > Darwin (in his younger years) planned to become a minister and as a resul= > > > t > > > > knew lots of information about the Bible. He may have had this scripture > > > > in mind when he wrote the above quotation: > > > > > Genesis 2:7 =C2=A0An the Lord God formed man out of the dust of the groun= > > > d and > > > > breathed life into his nostrils the breath of life and man became a livin= > > > g > > > > soul. > > > > Unlikely conclusion > > > Why do you believe that Darwin made this statement: > > > "There is grandeur in this view of life, HAVING BEEN > > ORIGINALLY BREATHED [BY THE CREATOR] INTO A FEW FORMS OR INTO ONE; and > > that from so simple a beginning, endless forms most beautiful and most > > wonderful have been, and are being evolved." > > > I define it to mean that Darwin believed God breathed life into Adam and > > perhaps also into Eve and that God made an endless number of plants and > > animals that were beautiful and wonderful. Those plants and animals later > > evolved. > > That is your personal interpretation of that statement, but it doesn't > follow from the context in which it is written. > > Darwin's view was that God created a few simple organisms at the > beginning of life and that the process he called natural selection > resulted in the rich diversity of life as he saw it in the world. And just LOOK at how the Atheists have bastardized Darwin's version. If Darwin said that, and I will have to see it for myself, then he was not too far off from how the bible explains it. Only in the bible it was a bit more then a "few simple organisms", although that version cannot be totally ruled out. The bible describes God as creating the categories of life, land sea and air, with some of them being named specifically.. Then he told that life to fill the earth each after his own kind into the rich diversity of life we see today. Furthermore, God created "them male and female" when he created these categories in chapter 1. THEN, in chapter 2 he is described to create a garden, Adam, Eve and the rest of the domestic animals which Adam named. > > Which is a completely different angle to the one you are trying to put > on it.- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text -
From: Tim Miller on 19 Jul 2010 22:23 AllSeeing-I wrote: > On Jul 19, 8:13 am, Devils Advocaat <mankyg...(a)yahoo.co.uk> wrote: >> On 19 July, 09:33, Ja...(a)nospam.com (Jason) wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >>> In article >>> <30f9f50b-09a1-4e69-b670-6c805d584...(a)x21g2000yqa.googlegroups.com>, >>> Devils Advocaat <mankyg...(a)yahoo.co.uk> wrote: >>>> On 19 July, 04:58, Ja...(a)nospam.com (Jason) wrote: >>>>> In article <l6c74613lbqrvudrp5sf83hv1cgbe99...(a)4ax.com>, Free Lunch >>>>> <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote: >>>>>> On Sun, 18 Jul 2010 18:54:20 -0700, Ja...(a)nospam.com (Jason) wrote in >>>>>> alt.atheism: >>>>>>> In article <4c438...(a)news.x-privat.org>, "Ips-Switch" >>>>>>> <Ips-Swi...(a)nospam.invalid> wrote: >>>>>>>> "Jason" <Ja...(a)nospam.com> wrote in message >>>>>>>> news:Jason-1807101340380001(a)67-150-175-229.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com... >>>>>>>>> That's not true. The professors that teach at the ICR college unde= >>>> rstand >>>>>>>>> biology and even teach biology. They believe that God created life >>>>> on this >>>>>>>>> planet and humans did NOT evolve from single celled life forms. >>>>> Believe it >>>>>>>>> or not, not all college graduates that have taken college biology = >>>> classes >>>>>>>>> don't agree with you. They understand biology as much as evolution= >>>> ists. >>>>>>>> Professors of what? =C2=A0Dentistry? =C2=A0French History? =C2=A0If = >>>> they understand >>>>> biology >>>>>>>> they would know as much as these evolutionists you are so obsessed >>>>> with and >>>>>>>> not be teaching superstition, religion and plain old magic. >>>>>>> They know about evolution but believe that God created mankind and lif= >>>> e on >>>>>>> this planet. Even Darwin believed that God created life on this planet= >>>> . >>>>>> He didn't even appear to believe in any gods by the end of his life. >>>>>> You are dishonest. You are a shame to your religion. >>>>>> Luckily for you, the god you keep going on about does not exist. If he >>>>>> did, he would destroy you for being so offensive to him. >>>>> Several people have asked me for proof that Darwin believed that a creato= >>>> r >>>>> God was responsible for the creation of mankind. >>>>> I found information on a website: >>>>> http://pandasthumb.org/archives/2008/03/expelled-expose.html >>>>> I wonder, would a public school teacher in Harrisburg, Pennsylvania, be >>>>> allowed to say the following: >>>>> =C2=B3It is interesting to contemplate =C5=A0 [all the many forms of life= >>>> on earth] >>>>> =C5=A0 so different from each other, have all been produced by laws actin= >>>> g >>>>> around us. =C5=A0 There is grandeur in this view of life, HAVING BEEN >>>>> ORIGINALLY BREATHED [BY THE CREATOR] INTO A FEW FORMS OR INTO ONE; and >>>>> that from so simple a beginning, endless forms most beautiful and most >>>>> wonderful have been, and are being evolved.=C2=B2 >>>>> Just imagine a public school teacher who says those words: that God >>>>> creates life and places it on the earth in a few forms, and then that lif= >>>> e >>>>> evolves according to the physical and natural laws that God put into plac= >>>> e >>>>> in the universe. >>>>> Would that be allowed? >>>>> Actually, it should be REQUIRED FOR THE TEACHER TO SAY THAT. >>>>> Why? Because the quote is from: On the Origin of the Species, Chapter XV, >>>>> Recapitulation and Conclusion, By Charles Darwin. >>>>> If you are going to teach Darwin=C2=B9s theory of evolution in public sch= >>>> ools, >>>>> you should teach what Darwin actually wrote about it. >>>>> Michael S. Class Author >>>>> Anthony and the Magic Picture Frame: The History Book with a Message for >>>>> Today=C2=B9s Young Americans >>>>> If you google "breathed into a few forms or into one", you will get lots >>>>> of hits and may be able to find the name of the edition that had these >>>>> words. >>>>> One internet website stated that the actual words were: >>>>> There is grandeur in this view of life, with its several powers having >>>>> been orginially breathed into a few forms or into one. >>>>> Darwin (in his younger years) planned to become a minister and as a resul= >>>> t >>>>> knew lots of information about the Bible. He may have had this scripture >>>>> in mind when he wrote the above quotation: >>>>> Genesis 2:7 =C2=A0An the Lord God formed man out of the dust of the groun= >>>> d and >>>>> breathed life into his nostrils the breath of life and man became a livin= >>>> g >>>>> soul. >>>> Unlikely conclusion >>> Why do you believe that Darwin made this statement: >>> "There is grandeur in this view of life, HAVING BEEN >>> ORIGINALLY BREATHED [BY THE CREATOR] INTO A FEW FORMS OR INTO ONE; and >>> that from so simple a beginning, endless forms most beautiful and most >>> wonderful have been, and are being evolved." >>> I define it to mean that Darwin believed God breathed life into Adam and >>> perhaps also into Eve and that God made an endless number of plants and >>> animals that were beautiful and wonderful. Those plants and animals later >>> evolved. >> That is your personal interpretation of that statement, but it doesn't >> follow from the context in which it is written. >> >> Darwin's view was that God created a few simple organisms at the >> beginning of life and that the process he called natural selection >> resulted in the rich diversity of life as he saw it in the world. > > And just LOOK at how the Atheists have bastardized Darwin's version. > > If Darwin said that, and I will have to see it for myself, But since all yo ever do is quote-mine and visit cretinist websites, that's never gonna happen. Just like you're never gonna actually ASK the physicist about the ball on a string. You're a coward, all-fleeing eye. Pure and simple. REALLY simple. ROFLMAO@U!!
From: Anna DeGanno on 18 Jul 2010 22:39 "Jason" <Jason(a)nospam.com> wrote in message news:Jason-1807101853100001(a)67-150-125-190.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com... > In article <dgq646dfs3md8hq36tt95o3bgh5da891k5(a)4ax.com>, Free Lunch > <lunch(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote: >> They lied to you. Their college is a complete fraud. Even Texas said >> that. > > They will keep their college open in California until they are able to win > in court in Texas. The evolutionists in Texas don't like competition. The WTS told us lies are OK Jason, as long as when you lie like this, you believe it's for someone else's good or the benefit of the WTS. But lying here isn't going to go over because people here are so much more intelligent and well educated than those you meet in your KH. :)
From: Sockie on 18 Jul 2010 22:51
"Free Lunch" <lunch(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote in message news:eac746hcvb3u62eo4a8c4r8k7tl9arm3vg(a)4ax.com... >> > Once again you show us how proud you are to be dishonest. > You must remember he has different values and morals than the rest of us. It's OK for him to lie and falsely accuse Professors and scientists. The WTS tells him it's OK to LIE if he believes it's in the person's best interest or the interest of the WTS. Most people on these groups don't know this. |