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From: Jason on 19 Jul 2010 16:07 In article <fed29657-bdd6-4d87-baba-139218542874(a)i18g2000pro.googlegroups.com>, "Bob T." <bob(a)synapse-cs.com> wrote: > On Jul 19, 1:33=A0am, Ja...(a)nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > > In article > > <30f9f50b-09a1-4e69-b670-6c805d584...(a)x21g2000yqa.googlegroups.com>, > > > > > > > > > > > > Devils Advocaat <mankyg...(a)yahoo.co.uk> wrote: > > > On 19 July, 04:58, Ja...(a)nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > > > > In article <l6c74613lbqrvudrp5sf83hv1cgbe99...(a)4ax.com>, Free Lunch > > > > > > <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote: > > > > > On Sun, 18 Jul 2010 18:54:20 -0700, Ja...(a)nospam.com (Jason) wrote = > in > > > > > alt.atheism: > > > > > > > >In article <4c438...(a)news.x-privat.org>, "Ips-Switch" > > > > > ><Ips-Swi...(a)nospam.invalid> wrote: > > > > > > > >> "Jason" <Ja...(a)nospam.com> wrote in message > > > > > >>news:Jason-1807101340380001(a)67-150-175-229.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com.= > .. > > > > > >> > That's not true. The professors that teach at the ICR college = > unde=3D > > > rstand > > > > > >> > biology and even teach biology. They believe that God created = > life > > > > on this > > > > > >> > planet and humans did NOT evolve from single celled life forms= > . > > > > Believe it > > > > > >> > or not, not all college graduates that have taken college biol= > ogy =3D > > > classes > > > > > >> > don't agree with you. They understand biology as much as evolu= > tion=3D > > > ists. > > > > > > > >> Professors of what? =3DC2=3DA0Dentistry? =3DC2=3DA0French Histor= > y? =3DC2=3DA0If =3D > > > they understand > > > > biology > > > > > >> they would know as much as these evolutionists you are so obsess= > ed > > > > with and > > > > > >> not be teaching superstition, religion and plain old magic. > > > > > > > >They know about evolution but believe that God created mankind and= > lif=3D > > > e on > > > > > >this planet. Even Darwin believed that God created life on this pl= > anet=3D > > > . > > > > > > > He didn't even appear to believe in any gods by the end of his life= > . > > > > > > > You are dishonest. You are a shame to your religion. > > > > > > > Luckily for you, the god you keep going on about does not exist. If= > he > > > > > did, he would destroy you for being so offensive to him. > > > > > > Several people have asked me for proof that Darwin believed that a cr= > eato=3D > > > r > > > > God was responsible for the creation of mankind. > > > > > > I found information on a website: > > > > > >http://pandasthumb.org/archives/2008/03/expelled-expose.html > > > > > > I wonder, would a public school teacher in Harrisburg, Pennsylvania, = > be > > > > allowed to say the following: > > > > =3DC2=3DB3It is interesting to contemplate =3DC5=3DA0 [all the many f= > orms of life=3D > > > =A0on earth] > > > > =3DC5=3DA0 so different from each other, have all been produced by la= > ws actin=3D > > > g > > > > around us. =3DC5=3DA0 There is grandeur in this view of life, HAVING = > BEEN > > > > ORIGINALLY BREATHED [BY THE CREATOR] INTO A FEW FORMS OR INTO ONE; an= > d > > > > that from so simple a beginning, endless forms most beautiful and mos= > t > > > > wonderful have been, and are being evolved.=3DC2=3DB2 > > > > Just imagine a public school teacher who says those words: that God > > > > creates life and places it on the earth in a few forms, and then that= > lif=3D > > > e > > > > evolves according to the physical and natural laws that God put into = > plac=3D > > > e > > > > in the universe. > > > > Would that be allowed? > > > > Actually, it should be REQUIRED FOR THE TEACHER TO SAY THAT. > > > > Why? Because the quote is from: On the Origin of the Species, Chapter= > XV, > > > > Recapitulation and Conclusion, By Charles Darwin. > > > > If you are going to teach Darwin=3DC2=3DB9s theory of evolution in pu= > blic sch=3D > > > ools, > > > > you should teach what Darwin actually wrote about it. > > > > Michael S. Class Author > > > > Anthony and the Magic Picture Frame: The History Book with a Message = > for > > > > Today=3DC2=3DB9s Young Americans > > > > > > If you google "breathed into a few forms or into one", you will get l= > ots > > > > of hits and may be able to find the name of the edition that had thes= > e > > > > words. > > > > > > One internet website stated that the actual words were: > > > > > > There is grandeur in this view of life, with its several powers havin= > g > > > > been orginially breathed into a few forms or into one. > > > > > > Darwin (in his younger years) planned to become a minister and as a r= > esul=3D > > > t > > > > knew lots of information about the Bible. He may have had this script= > ure > > > > in mind when he wrote the above quotation: > > > > > > Genesis 2:7 =3DC2=3DA0An the Lord God formed man out of the dust of t= > he groun=3D > > > d and > > > > breathed life into his nostrils the breath of life and man became a l= > ivin=3D > > > g > > > > soul. > > > > > Unlikely conclusion > > > > Why do you believe that Darwin made this statement: > > > > "There is grandeur in this view of life, HAVING BEEN > > ORIGINALLY BREATHED [BY THE CREATOR] INTO A FEW FORMS OR INTO ONE; and > > that from so simple a beginning, endless forms most beautiful and most > > wonderful have been, and are being evolved." > > I'm not going to look this up, but if I recall correctly that phrase > is only in the first edition, and Darwin put it there to placate the > religious. > > > > I define it to mean that Darwin believed God breathed life into Adam and > > perhaps also into Eve and that God made an endless number of plants and > > animals that were beautiful and wonderful. Those plants and animals later= > evolved. > > But that's not what you believe, is it? You don't think humans and > apes have a common ancestor, so why do you ask about the origins of > life? It's almost as if you're working from a list of anti- > evolutionary questions, and you have to check them off one by one, > even though they are completely inconsistent with each other. > > - Bob T > > > - Show quoted text - I agree that God created mankind and that he created life on this earth. In that respect, I am in agreement with Darwin. I do believe that many of the aspects of evolution (that can be proved) kicked in after the fall of mankind. I have no problem with the aspects of evolution that can be proved. My main disagreement is in regard to abiogenesis since I do NOT believe that mankind evolved from a single celled life form. I don't believe that Darwin believed that mankind evolved from a single celled life form. He believed that a creator God breathed life into a few forms or into one--probably Adam and perhaps also Eve. The bible does not say that God breathed life into Eve but Darwin believed that it could have happened that way. It's possible that it did happen that way.
From: Jason on 19 Jul 2010 16:10 In article <fed29657-bdd6-4d87-baba-139218542874(a)i18g2000pro.googlegroups.com>, "Bob T." <bob(a)synapse-cs.com> wrote: > On Jul 19, 1:33=A0am, Ja...(a)nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > > In article > > <30f9f50b-09a1-4e69-b670-6c805d584...(a)x21g2000yqa.googlegroups.com>, > > > > > > > > > > > > Devils Advocaat <mankyg...(a)yahoo.co.uk> wrote: > > > On 19 July, 04:58, Ja...(a)nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > > > > In article <l6c74613lbqrvudrp5sf83hv1cgbe99...(a)4ax.com>, Free Lunch > > > > > > <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote: > > > > > On Sun, 18 Jul 2010 18:54:20 -0700, Ja...(a)nospam.com (Jason) wrote = > in > > > > > alt.atheism: > > > > > > > >In article <4c438...(a)news.x-privat.org>, "Ips-Switch" > > > > > ><Ips-Swi...(a)nospam.invalid> wrote: > > > > > > > >> "Jason" <Ja...(a)nospam.com> wrote in message > > > > > >>news:Jason-1807101340380001(a)67-150-175-229.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com.= > .. > > > > > >> > That's not true. The professors that teach at the ICR college = > unde=3D > > > rstand > > > > > >> > biology and even teach biology. They believe that God created = > life > > > > on this > > > > > >> > planet and humans did NOT evolve from single celled life forms= > . > > > > Believe it > > > > > >> > or not, not all college graduates that have taken college biol= > ogy =3D > > > classes > > > > > >> > don't agree with you. They understand biology as much as evolu= > tion=3D > > > ists. > > > > > > > >> Professors of what? =3DC2=3DA0Dentistry? =3DC2=3DA0French Histor= > y? =3DC2=3DA0If =3D > > > they understand > > > > biology > > > > > >> they would know as much as these evolutionists you are so obsess= > ed > > > > with and > > > > > >> not be teaching superstition, religion and plain old magic. > > > > > > > >They know about evolution but believe that God created mankind and= > lif=3D > > > e on > > > > > >this planet. Even Darwin believed that God created life on this pl= > anet=3D > > > . > > > > > > > He didn't even appear to believe in any gods by the end of his life= > . > > > > > > > You are dishonest. You are a shame to your religion. > > > > > > > Luckily for you, the god you keep going on about does not exist. If= > he > > > > > did, he would destroy you for being so offensive to him. > > > > > > Several people have asked me for proof that Darwin believed that a cr= > eato=3D > > > r > > > > God was responsible for the creation of mankind. > > > > > > I found information on a website: > > > > > >http://pandasthumb.org/archives/2008/03/expelled-expose.html > > > > > > I wonder, would a public school teacher in Harrisburg, Pennsylvania, = > be > > > > allowed to say the following: > > > > =3DC2=3DB3It is interesting to contemplate =3DC5=3DA0 [all the many f= > orms of life=3D > > > =A0on earth] > > > > =3DC5=3DA0 so different from each other, have all been produced by la= > ws actin=3D > > > g > > > > around us. =3DC5=3DA0 There is grandeur in this view of life, HAVING = > BEEN > > > > ORIGINALLY BREATHED [BY THE CREATOR] INTO A FEW FORMS OR INTO ONE; an= > d > > > > that from so simple a beginning, endless forms most beautiful and mos= > t > > > > wonderful have been, and are being evolved.=3DC2=3DB2 > > > > Just imagine a public school teacher who says those words: that God > > > > creates life and places it on the earth in a few forms, and then that= > lif=3D > > > e > > > > evolves according to the physical and natural laws that God put into = > plac=3D > > > e > > > > in the universe. > > > > Would that be allowed? > > > > Actually, it should be REQUIRED FOR THE TEACHER TO SAY THAT. > > > > Why? Because the quote is from: On the Origin of the Species, Chapter= > XV, > > > > Recapitulation and Conclusion, By Charles Darwin. > > > > If you are going to teach Darwin=3DC2=3DB9s theory of evolution in pu= > blic sch=3D > > > ools, > > > > you should teach what Darwin actually wrote about it. > > > > Michael S. Class Author > > > > Anthony and the Magic Picture Frame: The History Book with a Message = > for > > > > Today=3DC2=3DB9s Young Americans > > > > > > If you google "breathed into a few forms or into one", you will get l= > ots > > > > of hits and may be able to find the name of the edition that had thes= > e > > > > words. > > > > > > One internet website stated that the actual words were: > > > > > > There is grandeur in this view of life, with its several powers havin= > g > > > > been orginially breathed into a few forms or into one. > > > > > > Darwin (in his younger years) planned to become a minister and as a r= > esul=3D > > > t > > > > knew lots of information about the Bible. He may have had this script= > ure > > > > in mind when he wrote the above quotation: > > > > > > Genesis 2:7 =3DC2=3DA0An the Lord God formed man out of the dust of t= > he groun=3D > > > d and > > > > breathed life into his nostrils the breath of life and man became a l= > ivin=3D > > > g > > > > soul. > > > > > Unlikely conclusion > > > > Why do you believe that Darwin made this statement: > > > > "There is grandeur in this view of life, HAVING BEEN > > ORIGINALLY BREATHED [BY THE CREATOR] INTO A FEW FORMS OR INTO ONE; and > > that from so simple a beginning, endless forms most beautiful and most > > wonderful have been, and are being evolved." > > I'm not going to look this up, but if I recall correctly that phrase > is only in the first edition, and Darwin put it there to placate the > religious. > > > > I define it to mean that Darwin believed God breathed life into Adam and > > perhaps also into Eve and that God made an endless number of plants and > > animals that were beautiful and wonderful. Those plants and animals later= > evolved. > > But that's not what you believe, is it? You don't think humans and > apes have a common ancestor, so why do you ask about the origins of > life? It's almost as if you're working from a list of anti- > evolutionary questions, and you have to check them off one by one, > even though they are completely inconsistent with each other. > > - Bob T > > > - Show quoted text - I anwered that question in another of today's posts.
From: Jason on 19 Jul 2010 16:32 In article <1961631e-f4a2-4098-897b-f1dd9aff8030(a)k19g2000yqc.googlegroups.com>, Devils Advocaat <mankygoat(a)yahoo.co.uk> wrote: > On 19 July, 09:33, Ja...(a)nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > > In article > > <30f9f50b-09a1-4e69-b670-6c805d584...(a)x21g2000yqa.googlegroups.com>, > > > > > > > > > > > > Devils Advocaat <mankyg...(a)yahoo.co.uk> wrote: > > > On 19 July, 04:58, Ja...(a)nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > > > > In article <l6c74613lbqrvudrp5sf83hv1cgbe99...(a)4ax.com>, Free Lunch > > > > > > <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote: > > > > > On Sun, 18 Jul 2010 18:54:20 -0700, Ja...(a)nospam.com (Jason) wrote = > in > > > > > alt.atheism: > > > > > > > >In article <4c438...(a)news.x-privat.org>, "Ips-Switch" > > > > > ><Ips-Swi...(a)nospam.invalid> wrote: > > > > > > > >> "Jason" <Ja...(a)nospam.com> wrote in message > > > > > >>news:Jason-1807101340380001(a)67-150-175-229.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com.= > .. > > > > > >> > That's not true. The professors that teach at the ICR college = > unde=3D > > > rstand > > > > > >> > biology and even teach biology. They believe that God created = > life > > > > on this > > > > > >> > planet and humans did NOT evolve from single celled life forms= > . > > > > Believe it > > > > > >> > or not, not all college graduates that have taken college biol= > ogy =3D > > > classes > > > > > >> > don't agree with you. They understand biology as much as evolu= > tion=3D > > > ists. > > > > > > > >> Professors of what? =3DC2=3DA0Dentistry? =3DC2=3DA0French Histor= > y? =3DC2=3DA0If =3D > > > they understand > > > > biology > > > > > >> they would know as much as these evolutionists you are so obsess= > ed > > > > with and > > > > > >> not be teaching superstition, religion and plain old magic. > > > > > > > >They know about evolution but believe that God created mankind and= > lif=3D > > > e on > > > > > >this planet. Even Darwin believed that God created life on this pl= > anet=3D > > > . > > > > > > > He didn't even appear to believe in any gods by the end of his life= > . > > > > > > > You are dishonest. You are a shame to your religion. > > > > > > > Luckily for you, the god you keep going on about does not exist. If= > he > > > > > did, he would destroy you for being so offensive to him. > > > > > > Several people have asked me for proof that Darwin believed that a cr= > eato=3D > > > r > > > > God was responsible for the creation of mankind. > > > > > > I found information on a website: > > > > > >http://pandasthumb.org/archives/2008/03/expelled-expose.html > > > > > > I wonder, would a public school teacher in Harrisburg, Pennsylvania, = > be > > > > allowed to say the following: > > > > =3DC2=3DB3It is interesting to contemplate =3DC5=3DA0 [all the many f= > orms of life=3D > > > =A0on earth] > > > > =3DC5=3DA0 so different from each other, have all been produced by la= > ws actin=3D > > > g > > > > around us. =3DC5=3DA0 There is grandeur in this view of life, HAVING = > BEEN > > > > ORIGINALLY BREATHED [BY THE CREATOR] INTO A FEW FORMS OR INTO ONE; an= > d > > > > that from so simple a beginning, endless forms most beautiful and mos= > t > > > > wonderful have been, and are being evolved.=3DC2=3DB2 > > > > Just imagine a public school teacher who says those words: that God > > > > creates life and places it on the earth in a few forms, and then that= > lif=3D > > > e > > > > evolves according to the physical and natural laws that God put into = > plac=3D > > > e > > > > in the universe. > > > > Would that be allowed? > > > > Actually, it should be REQUIRED FOR THE TEACHER TO SAY THAT. > > > > Why? Because the quote is from: On the Origin of the Species, Chapter= > XV, > > > > Recapitulation and Conclusion, By Charles Darwin. > > > > If you are going to teach Darwin=3DC2=3DB9s theory of evolution in pu= > blic sch=3D > > > ools, > > > > you should teach what Darwin actually wrote about it. > > > > Michael S. Class Author > > > > Anthony and the Magic Picture Frame: The History Book with a Message = > for > > > > Today=3DC2=3DB9s Young Americans > > > > > > If you google "breathed into a few forms or into one", you will get l= > ots > > > > of hits and may be able to find the name of the edition that had thes= > e > > > > words. > > > > > > One internet website stated that the actual words were: > > > > > > There is grandeur in this view of life, with its several powers havin= > g > > > > been orginially breathed into a few forms or into one. > > > > > > Darwin (in his younger years) planned to become a minister and as a r= > esul=3D > > > t > > > > knew lots of information about the Bible. He may have had this script= > ure > > > > in mind when he wrote the above quotation: > > > > > > Genesis 2:7 =3DC2=3DA0An the Lord God formed man out of the dust of t= > he groun=3D > > > d and > > > > breathed life into his nostrils the breath of life and man became a l= > ivin=3D > > > g > > > > soul. > > > > > Unlikely conclusion > > > > Why do you believe that Darwin made this statement: > > > > "There is grandeur in this view of life, HAVING BEEN > > ORIGINALLY BREATHED [BY THE CREATOR] INTO A FEW FORMS OR INTO ONE; and > > that from so simple a beginning, endless forms most beautiful and most > > wonderful have been, and are being evolved." > > > > I define it to mean that Darwin believed God breathed life into Adam and > > perhaps also into Eve and that God made an endless number of plants and > > animals that were beautiful and wonderful. Those plants and animals later > > evolved. > > That is your personal interpretation of that statement, but it doesn't > follow from the context in which it is written. > > Darwin's view was that God created a few simple organisms at the > beginning of life and that the process he called natural selection > resulted in the rich diversity of life as he saw it in the world. > > Which is a completely different angle to the one you are trying to put > on it. You interpret your way and I'll interpret my way. His language is archaic and it's difficult for anyone to figure out exactly what he meant. However, "having been originally breathed into a few forms or into one" is easy to understand. I believe "endless forms" does NOT mean "a few simple organisms". Look up the the word "endless" in your dictionary. My dictionary defines ENDLESS as "extremely numerous". In other words, Darwin believes that God created endless forms--not a few forms. Organisms are NOT beautiful and wonderful. That's why I believe he was referring to beautiful and wonderful plants and animals. You appear to be looking at his actual statement with evolution colored glasses. You have to keep in mind that Darwin once considered becoming a minister and as a result knew about the Bible and he especially knew about the the first 3 chapters of Genesis. It very possible that he was putting this scripture in his own words: Genesis 2:7 the Lord God formed man out of the dust of the ground and breathed life into his nostrils the breath of life and man became a living soul.
From: nuny on 19 Jul 2010 16:50 On Jul 18, 6:56 pm, Ja...(a)nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > In article > <92c62dc8-b13e-46e8-9ebe-b3a1fc09b...(a)c36g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, "Bob > > > > T." <b...(a)synapse-cs.com> wrote: > > On Jul 18, 1:40=A0pm, Ja...(a)nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > > > In article > > > <ef5793ee-e12a-4893-81f6-e84b68198...(a)p22g2000pre.googlegroups.com>, "Bob > > > > T." <b...(a)synapse-cs.com> wrote: > > > > On Jul 18, 12:48=3DA0pm, Ja...(a)nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > > > > > > But you don't know very much about biology, so why should anyone ca= > > re > > > > > > what you think the subject? =3DA0You just now admitted that your so= > > urces > > > > > > for the answers to scientific questions are the Bible and your own > > > > > > imagination - it's no wonder that you're completely wrong! > > > > > > > For your information, Jason, you yourself used to be a one celled l= > > ife > > > > > > form. =3DA0Since then you have increased billions of times in size = > > and > > > > > > dozens of times in intelligence. =3DA0If that happened to you in a = > > few > > > > > > short decades, how can you possible claim it's impossible for speci= > > es > > > > > > to make that same change in billions of years? =3DA0Oh, right - it > > > > > > contradicts Genesis, so you know it ain't true. > > > > > > > - Bob T > > > > > > Bob, > > > > > Yes, you and I started out as a one celled life form. That's not an i= > > ssue=3D > > > > . > > > > > The issue is that many of the advocates of abiogenesis believe that > > > > > mankind evolved from a one celled life form. > > > > > Actually, that's not "abiogenesis", that's just evolution... and yes, > > > > everyone who understands biology knows that humans evolved from single- > > > > celled life-forms. > > > > That's not true. The professors that teach at the ICR college understand > > > biology and even teach biology. They believe that God created life on thi= > > s > > > planet and humans did NOT evolve from single celled life forms. > > > A belief they had before they studied biology and a belief they kept, > > for religious reasons, after they studied. > > > > Believe it or not, not all college graduates that have taken college biol= > > ogy classes > > > don't agree with you. They understand biology as much as evolutionists. > > > The are prevented from understanding the parts that conflict with > > their religion by fear of offending their deity. > > > - Bob T > > > > - Show quoted text - > > I have seen poles indicating that about half the people in America believe > that God created mankind and life on this planet. The brainwashing by > biology professors is not working well. Why should anyone care what people in Poland think about it? Mark L. Fergerson
From: nuny on 19 Jul 2010 16:54
On Jul 19, 1:32 pm, Ja...(a)nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > In article > <1961631e-f4a2-4098-897b-f1dd9aff8...(a)k19g2000yqc.googlegroups.com>, > > > > Devils Advocaat <mankyg...(a)yahoo.co.uk> wrote: > > On 19 July, 09:33, Ja...(a)nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > > > In article > > > <30f9f50b-09a1-4e69-b670-6c805d584...(a)x21g2000yqa.googlegroups.com>, > > > > Devils Advocaat <mankyg...(a)yahoo.co.uk> wrote: > > > > On 19 July, 04:58, Ja...(a)nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > > > > > In article <l6c74613lbqrvudrp5sf83hv1cgbe99...(a)4ax.com>, Free Lunch > > > > > > <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote: > > > > > > On Sun, 18 Jul 2010 18:54:20 -0700, Ja...(a)nospam.com (Jason) wrote = > > in > > > > > > alt.atheism: > > > > > > > >In article <4c438...(a)news.x-privat.org>, "Ips-Switch" > > > > > > ><Ips-Swi...(a)nospam.invalid> wrote: > > > > > > > >> "Jason" <Ja...(a)nospam.com> wrote in message > > > > > > >>news:Jason-1807101340380001(a)67-150-175-229.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com.= > > .. > > > > > > >> > That's not true. The professors that teach at the ICR college = > > unde=3D > > > > rstand > > > > > > >> > biology and even teach biology. They believe that God created = > > life > > > > > on this > > > > > > >> > planet and humans did NOT evolve from single celled life forms= > > . > > > > > Believe it > > > > > > >> > or not, not all college graduates that have taken college biol= > > ogy =3D > > > > classes > > > > > > >> > don't agree with you. They understand biology as much as evolu= > > tion=3D > > > > ists. > > > > > > > >> Professors of what? =3DC2=3DA0Dentistry? =3DC2=3DA0French Histor= > > y? =3DC2=3DA0If =3D > > > > they understand > > > > > biology > > > > > > >> they would know as much as these evolutionists you are so obsess= > > ed > > > > > with and > > > > > > >> not be teaching superstition, religion and plain old magic. > > > > > > > >They know about evolution but believe that God created mankind and= > > lif=3D > > > > e on > > > > > > >this planet. Even Darwin believed that God created life on this pl= > > anet=3D > > > > . > > > > > > > He didn't even appear to believe in any gods by the end of his life= > > . > > > > > > > You are dishonest. You are a shame to your religion. > > > > > > > Luckily for you, the god you keep going on about does not exist.. If= > > he > > > > > > did, he would destroy you for being so offensive to him. > > > > > > Several people have asked me for proof that Darwin believed that a cr= > > eato=3D > > > > r > > > > > God was responsible for the creation of mankind. > > > > > > I found information on a website: > > > > > >http://pandasthumb.org/archives/2008/03/expelled-expose.html > > > > > > I wonder, would a public school teacher in Harrisburg, Pennsylvania, = > > be > > > > > allowed to say the following: > > > > > =3DC2=3DB3It is interesting to contemplate =3DC5=3DA0 [all the many f= > > orms of life=3D > > > > =A0on earth] > > > > > =3DC5=3DA0 so different from each other, have all been produced by la= > > ws actin=3D > > > > g > > > > > around us. =3DC5=3DA0 There is grandeur in this view of life, HAVING = > > BEEN > > > > > ORIGINALLY BREATHED [BY THE CREATOR] INTO A FEW FORMS OR INTO ONE; an= > > d > > > > > that from so simple a beginning, endless forms most beautiful and mos= > > t > > > > > wonderful have been, and are being evolved.=3DC2=3DB2 > > > > > Just imagine a public school teacher who says those words: that God > > > > > creates life and places it on the earth in a few forms, and then that= > > lif=3D > > > > e > > > > > evolves according to the physical and natural laws that God put into = > > plac=3D > > > > e > > > > > in the universe. > > > > > Would that be allowed? > > > > > Actually, it should be REQUIRED FOR THE TEACHER TO SAY THAT. > > > > > Why? Because the quote is from: On the Origin of the Species, Chapter= > > XV, > > > > > Recapitulation and Conclusion, By Charles Darwin. > > > > > If you are going to teach Darwin=3DC2=3DB9s theory of evolution in pu= > > blic sch=3D > > > > ools, > > > > > you should teach what Darwin actually wrote about it. > > > > > Michael S. Class Author > > > > > Anthony and the Magic Picture Frame: The History Book with a Message = > > for > > > > > Today=3DC2=3DB9s Young Americans > > > > > > If you google "breathed into a few forms or into one", you will get l= > > ots > > > > > of hits and may be able to find the name of the edition that had thes= > > e > > > > > words. > > > > > > One internet website stated that the actual words were: > > > > > > There is grandeur in this view of life, with its several powers havin= > > g > > > > > been orginially breathed into a few forms or into one. > > > > > > Darwin (in his younger years) planned to become a minister and as a r= > > esul=3D > > > > t > > > > > knew lots of information about the Bible. He may have had this script= > > ure > > > > > in mind when he wrote the above quotation: > > > > > > Genesis 2:7 =3DC2=3DA0An the Lord God formed man out of the dust of t= > > he groun=3D > > > > d and > > > > > breathed life into his nostrils the breath of life and man became a l= > > ivin=3D > > > > g > > > > > soul. > > > > > Unlikely conclusion > > > > Why do you believe that Darwin made this statement: > > > > "There is grandeur in this view of life, HAVING BEEN > > > ORIGINALLY BREATHED [BY THE CREATOR] INTO A FEW FORMS OR INTO ONE; and > > > that from so simple a beginning, endless forms most beautiful and most > > > wonderful have been, and are being evolved." > > > > I define it to mean that Darwin believed God breathed life into Adam and > > > perhaps also into Eve and that God made an endless number of plants and > > > animals that were beautiful and wonderful. Those plants and animals later > > > evolved. > > > That is your personal interpretation of that statement, but it doesn't > > follow from the context in which it is written. > > > Darwin's view was that God created a few simple organisms at the > > beginning of life and that the process he called natural selection > > resulted in the rich diversity of life as he saw it in the world. > > > Which is a completely different angle to the one you are trying to put > > on it. > > You interpret your way and I'll interpret my way. His language is archaic > and it's difficult for anyone to figure out exactly what he meant. > However, "having been originally breathed into a few forms or into one" is > easy to understand. I believe "endless forms" does NOT mean "a few simple > organisms". Look up the the word "endless" in your dictionary. My > dictionary defines ENDLESS as "extremely numerous". In other words, Darwin > believes that God created endless forms--not a few forms. Organisms are > NOT beautiful and wonderful. That's why I believe he was referring to > beautiful and wonderful plants and animals. What do you think "organisms" means? Mark L. Fergerson |