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From: Bob T. on 19 Jul 2010 08:41 On Jul 19, 1:33 am, Ja...(a)nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > In article > <30f9f50b-09a1-4e69-b670-6c805d584...(a)x21g2000yqa.googlegroups.com>, > > > > > > Devils Advocaat <mankyg...(a)yahoo.co.uk> wrote: > > On 19 July, 04:58, Ja...(a)nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > > > In article <l6c74613lbqrvudrp5sf83hv1cgbe99...(a)4ax.com>, Free Lunch > > > > <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote: > > > > On Sun, 18 Jul 2010 18:54:20 -0700, Ja...(a)nospam.com (Jason) wrote in > > > > alt.atheism: > > > > > >In article <4c438...(a)news.x-privat.org>, "Ips-Switch" > > > > ><Ips-Swi...(a)nospam.invalid> wrote: > > > > > >> "Jason" <Ja...(a)nospam.com> wrote in message > > > > >>news:Jason-1807101340380001(a)67-150-175-229.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com.... > > > > >> > That's not true. The professors that teach at the ICR college unde= > > rstand > > > > >> > biology and even teach biology. They believe that God created life > > > on this > > > > >> > planet and humans did NOT evolve from single celled life forms.. > > > Believe it > > > > >> > or not, not all college graduates that have taken college biology = > > classes > > > > >> > don't agree with you. They understand biology as much as evolution= > > ists. > > > > > >> Professors of what? =C2=A0Dentistry? =C2=A0French History? =C2=A0If = > > they understand > > > biology > > > > >> they would know as much as these evolutionists you are so obsessed > > > with and > > > > >> not be teaching superstition, religion and plain old magic. > > > > > >They know about evolution but believe that God created mankind and lif= > > e on > > > > >this planet. Even Darwin believed that God created life on this planet= > > . > > > > > He didn't even appear to believe in any gods by the end of his life.. > > > > > You are dishonest. You are a shame to your religion. > > > > > Luckily for you, the god you keep going on about does not exist. If he > > > > did, he would destroy you for being so offensive to him. > > > > Several people have asked me for proof that Darwin believed that a creato= > > r > > > God was responsible for the creation of mankind. > > > > I found information on a website: > > > >http://pandasthumb.org/archives/2008/03/expelled-expose.html > > > > I wonder, would a public school teacher in Harrisburg, Pennsylvania, be > > > allowed to say the following: > > > =C2=B3It is interesting to contemplate =C5=A0 [all the many forms of life= > > on earth] > > > =C5=A0 so different from each other, have all been produced by laws actin= > > g > > > around us. =C5=A0 There is grandeur in this view of life, HAVING BEEN > > > ORIGINALLY BREATHED [BY THE CREATOR] INTO A FEW FORMS OR INTO ONE; and > > > that from so simple a beginning, endless forms most beautiful and most > > > wonderful have been, and are being evolved.=C2=B2 > > > Just imagine a public school teacher who says those words: that God > > > creates life and places it on the earth in a few forms, and then that lif= > > e > > > evolves according to the physical and natural laws that God put into plac= > > e > > > in the universe. > > > Would that be allowed? > > > Actually, it should be REQUIRED FOR THE TEACHER TO SAY THAT. > > > Why? Because the quote is from: On the Origin of the Species, Chapter XV, > > > Recapitulation and Conclusion, By Charles Darwin. > > > If you are going to teach Darwin=C2=B9s theory of evolution in public sch= > > ools, > > > you should teach what Darwin actually wrote about it. > > > Michael S. Class Author > > > Anthony and the Magic Picture Frame: The History Book with a Message for > > > Today=C2=B9s Young Americans > > > > If you google "breathed into a few forms or into one", you will get lots > > > of hits and may be able to find the name of the edition that had these > > > words. > > > > One internet website stated that the actual words were: > > > > There is grandeur in this view of life, with its several powers having > > > been orginially breathed into a few forms or into one. > > > > Darwin (in his younger years) planned to become a minister and as a resul= > > t > > > knew lots of information about the Bible. He may have had this scripture > > > in mind when he wrote the above quotation: > > > > Genesis 2:7 =C2=A0An the Lord God formed man out of the dust of the groun= > > d and > > > breathed life into his nostrils the breath of life and man became a livin= > > g > > > soul. > > > Unlikely conclusion > > Why do you believe that Darwin made this statement: > > "There is grandeur in this view of life, HAVING BEEN > ORIGINALLY BREATHED [BY THE CREATOR] INTO A FEW FORMS OR INTO ONE; and > that from so simple a beginning, endless forms most beautiful and most > wonderful have been, and are being evolved." I'm not going to look this up, but if I recall correctly that phrase is only in the first edition, and Darwin put it there to placate the religious. > > I define it to mean that Darwin believed God breathed life into Adam and > perhaps also into Eve and that God made an endless number of plants and > animals that were beautiful and wonderful. Those plants and animals later evolved. But that's not what you believe, is it? You don't think humans and apes have a common ancestor, so why do you ask about the origins of life? It's almost as if you're working from a list of anti- evolutionary questions, and you have to check them off one by one, even though they are completely inconsistent with each other. - Bob T > - Show quoted text -
From: Devils Advocaat on 19 Jul 2010 09:13 On 19 July, 09:33, Ja...(a)nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > In article > <30f9f50b-09a1-4e69-b670-6c805d584...(a)x21g2000yqa.googlegroups.com>, > > > > > > Devils Advocaat <mankyg...(a)yahoo.co.uk> wrote: > > On 19 July, 04:58, Ja...(a)nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > > > In article <l6c74613lbqrvudrp5sf83hv1cgbe99...(a)4ax.com>, Free Lunch > > > > <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote: > > > > On Sun, 18 Jul 2010 18:54:20 -0700, Ja...(a)nospam.com (Jason) wrote in > > > > alt.atheism: > > > > > >In article <4c438...(a)news.x-privat.org>, "Ips-Switch" > > > > ><Ips-Swi...(a)nospam.invalid> wrote: > > > > > >> "Jason" <Ja...(a)nospam.com> wrote in message > > > > >>news:Jason-1807101340380001(a)67-150-175-229.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com.... > > > > >> > That's not true. The professors that teach at the ICR college unde= > > rstand > > > > >> > biology and even teach biology. They believe that God created life > > > on this > > > > >> > planet and humans did NOT evolve from single celled life forms.. > > > Believe it > > > > >> > or not, not all college graduates that have taken college biology = > > classes > > > > >> > don't agree with you. They understand biology as much as evolution= > > ists. > > > > > >> Professors of what? =C2=A0Dentistry? =C2=A0French History? =C2=A0If = > > they understand > > > biology > > > > >> they would know as much as these evolutionists you are so obsessed > > > with and > > > > >> not be teaching superstition, religion and plain old magic. > > > > > >They know about evolution but believe that God created mankind and lif= > > e on > > > > >this planet. Even Darwin believed that God created life on this planet= > > . > > > > > He didn't even appear to believe in any gods by the end of his life.. > > > > > You are dishonest. You are a shame to your religion. > > > > > Luckily for you, the god you keep going on about does not exist. If he > > > > did, he would destroy you for being so offensive to him. > > > > Several people have asked me for proof that Darwin believed that a creato= > > r > > > God was responsible for the creation of mankind. > > > > I found information on a website: > > > >http://pandasthumb.org/archives/2008/03/expelled-expose.html > > > > I wonder, would a public school teacher in Harrisburg, Pennsylvania, be > > > allowed to say the following: > > > =C2=B3It is interesting to contemplate =C5=A0 [all the many forms of life= > > on earth] > > > =C5=A0 so different from each other, have all been produced by laws actin= > > g > > > around us. =C5=A0 There is grandeur in this view of life, HAVING BEEN > > > ORIGINALLY BREATHED [BY THE CREATOR] INTO A FEW FORMS OR INTO ONE; and > > > that from so simple a beginning, endless forms most beautiful and most > > > wonderful have been, and are being evolved.=C2=B2 > > > Just imagine a public school teacher who says those words: that God > > > creates life and places it on the earth in a few forms, and then that lif= > > e > > > evolves according to the physical and natural laws that God put into plac= > > e > > > in the universe. > > > Would that be allowed? > > > Actually, it should be REQUIRED FOR THE TEACHER TO SAY THAT. > > > Why? Because the quote is from: On the Origin of the Species, Chapter XV, > > > Recapitulation and Conclusion, By Charles Darwin. > > > If you are going to teach Darwin=C2=B9s theory of evolution in public sch= > > ools, > > > you should teach what Darwin actually wrote about it. > > > Michael S. Class Author > > > Anthony and the Magic Picture Frame: The History Book with a Message for > > > Today=C2=B9s Young Americans > > > > If you google "breathed into a few forms or into one", you will get lots > > > of hits and may be able to find the name of the edition that had these > > > words. > > > > One internet website stated that the actual words were: > > > > There is grandeur in this view of life, with its several powers having > > > been orginially breathed into a few forms or into one. > > > > Darwin (in his younger years) planned to become a minister and as a resul= > > t > > > knew lots of information about the Bible. He may have had this scripture > > > in mind when he wrote the above quotation: > > > > Genesis 2:7 =C2=A0An the Lord God formed man out of the dust of the groun= > > d and > > > breathed life into his nostrils the breath of life and man became a livin= > > g > > > soul. > > > Unlikely conclusion > > Why do you believe that Darwin made this statement: > > "There is grandeur in this view of life, HAVING BEEN > ORIGINALLY BREATHED [BY THE CREATOR] INTO A FEW FORMS OR INTO ONE; and > that from so simple a beginning, endless forms most beautiful and most > wonderful have been, and are being evolved." > > I define it to mean that Darwin believed God breathed life into Adam and > perhaps also into Eve and that God made an endless number of plants and > animals that were beautiful and wonderful. Those plants and animals later > evolved. That is your personal interpretation of that statement, but it doesn't follow from the context in which it is written. Darwin's view was that God created a few simple organisms at the beginning of life and that the process he called natural selection resulted in the rich diversity of life as he saw it in the world. Which is a completely different angle to the one you are trying to put on it.
From: Ralph on 19 Jul 2010 15:51 On 7/18/2010 9:53 PM, Jason wrote: > In article<dgq646dfs3md8hq36tt95o3bgh5da891k5(a)4ax.com>, Free Lunch > <lunch(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote: > >> On Sun, 18 Jul 2010 13:40:38 -0700, Jason(a)nospam.com (Jason) wrote in >> alt.talk.creationism: >> >>> In article >>> <ef5793ee-e12a-4893-81f6-e84b6819851b(a)p22g2000pre.googlegroups.com>, "Bob >>> T."<bob(a)synapse-cs.com> wrote: >>> >>>> On Jul 18, 12:48=A0pm, Ja...(a)nospam.com (Jason) wrote: >>>>>> But you don't know very much about biology, so why should anyone care >>>>>> what you think the subject? =A0You just now admitted that your sources >>>>>> for the answers to scientific questions are the Bible and your own >>>>>> imagination - it's no wonder that you're completely wrong! >>>>> >>>>>> For your information, Jason, you yourself used to be a one celled life >>>>>> form. =A0Since then you have increased billions of times in size and >>>>>> dozens of times in intelligence. =A0If that happened to you in a few >>>>>> short decades, how can you possible claim it's impossible for species >>>>>> to make that same change in billions of years? =A0Oh, right - it >>>>>> contradicts Genesis, so you know it ain't true. >>>>> >>>>>> - Bob T >>>>> >>>>> Bob, >>>>> Yes, you and I started out as a one celled life form. That's not an > issue= >>>> . >>>>> The issue is that many of the advocates of abiogenesis believe that >>>>> mankind evolved from a one celled life form. >>>> >>>> Actually, that's not "abiogenesis", that's just evolution... and yes, >>>> everyone who understands biology knows that humans evolved from single- >>>> celled life-forms. >>> >>> That's not true. The professors that teach at the ICR college understand >>> biology and even teach biology. >> >> They lied to you. Their college is a complete fraud. Even Texas said >> that. > > They will keep their college open in California until they are able to win > in court in Texas. The evolutionists in Texas don't like competition. Try using a degree from their college to get a job in the real world. >>> They believe that God created life on this >>> planet and humans did NOT evolve from single celled life forms. >> >> So what? Their beliefs have nothing to do with science or with the >> evidence that shows that there is common ancestry. They are not only >> frauds, but they are religious frauds. >> >>> Believe it >>> or not, not all college graduates that have taken college biology classes >>> don't agree with you. They understand biology as much as evolutionists. >> >> It is clear that you have no idea what you are talking about. You are >> defending confidence men. > >
From: Ralph on 19 Jul 2010 15:54 On 7/18/2010 9:56 PM, Jason wrote: > In article > <92c62dc8-b13e-46e8-9ebe-b3a1fc09bf76(a)c36g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, "Bob > T."<bob(a)synapse-cs.com> wrote: > >> On Jul 18, 1:40=A0pm, Ja...(a)nospam.com (Jason) wrote: >>> In article >>> <ef5793ee-e12a-4893-81f6-e84b68198...(a)p22g2000pre.googlegroups.com>, "Bob >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> T."<b...(a)synapse-cs.com> wrote: >>>> On Jul 18, 12:48=3DA0pm, Ja...(a)nospam.com (Jason) wrote: >>>>>> But you don't know very much about biology, so why should anyone ca= >> re >>>>>> what you think the subject? =3DA0You just now admitted that your so= >> urces >>>>>> for the answers to scientific questions are the Bible and your own >>>>>> imagination - it's no wonder that you're completely wrong! >>> >>>>>> For your information, Jason, you yourself used to be a one celled l= >> ife >>>>>> form. =3DA0Since then you have increased billions of times in size = >> and >>>>>> dozens of times in intelligence. =3DA0If that happened to you in a = >> few >>>>>> short decades, how can you possible claim it's impossible for speci= >> es >>>>>> to make that same change in billions of years? =3DA0Oh, right - it >>>>>> contradicts Genesis, so you know it ain't true. >>> >>>>>> - Bob T >>> >>>>> Bob, >>>>> Yes, you and I started out as a one celled life form. That's not an i= >> ssue=3D >>>> . >>>>> The issue is that many of the advocates of abiogenesis believe that >>>>> mankind evolved from a one celled life form. >>> >>>> Actually, that's not "abiogenesis", that's just evolution... and yes, >>>> everyone who understands biology knows that humans evolved from single- >>>> celled life-forms. >>> >>> That's not true. The professors that teach at the ICR college understand >>> biology and even teach biology. They believe that God created life on thi= >> s >>> planet and humans did NOT evolve from single celled life forms. >> >> A belief they had before they studied biology and a belief they kept, >> for religious reasons, after they studied. >> >>> Believe it or not, not all college graduates that have taken college biol= >> ogy classes >>> don't agree with you. They understand biology as much as evolutionists. >> >> The are prevented from understanding the parts that conflict with >> their religion by fear of offending their deity. >> >> - Bob T >>> >>> - Show quoted text - > > I have seen poles indicating that about half the people in America believe > that God created mankind and life on this planet. The brainwashing by > biology professors is not working well. That is a shame in the 21st Century that we have so many ignorant people in this country. A friend of mine is running for congress from our district. I attended a rally for him last week and he said that the most disappointing thing he has found in campaigning, is the ignorance of the American voter. I think he must have had a picture of you in mind when he said it.
From: Ralph on 19 Jul 2010 16:02
On 7/18/2010 11:58 PM, Jason wrote: > In article<l6c74613lbqrvudrp5sf83hv1cgbe99shu(a)4ax.com>, Free Lunch > <lunch(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote: > >> On Sun, 18 Jul 2010 18:54:20 -0700, Jason(a)nospam.com (Jason) wrote in >> alt.atheism: >> >>> In article<4c438ffe(a)news.x-privat.org>, "Ips-Switch" >>> <Ips-Switch(a)nospam.invalid> wrote: >>> >>>> "Jason"<Jason(a)nospam.com> wrote in message >>>> news:Jason-1807101340380001(a)67-150-175-229.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com... >>>>> That's not true. The professors that teach at the ICR college understand >>>>> biology and even teach biology. They believe that God created life > on this >>>>> planet and humans did NOT evolve from single celled life forms. > Believe it >>>>> or not, not all college graduates that have taken college biology classes >>>>> don't agree with you. They understand biology as much as evolutionists. >>>> >>>> Professors of what? Dentistry? French History? If they understand > biology >>>> they would know as much as these evolutionists you are so obsessed > with and >>>> not be teaching superstition, religion and plain old magic. >>> >>> They know about evolution but believe that God created mankind and life on >>> this planet. Even Darwin believed that God created life on this planet. >>> >> He didn't even appear to believe in any gods by the end of his life. >> >> You are dishonest. You are a shame to your religion. >> >> Luckily for you, the god you keep going on about does not exist. If he >> did, he would destroy you for being so offensive to him. > > Several people have asked me for proof that Darwin believed that a creator > God was responsible for the creation of mankind. > > I found information on a website: > > http://pandasthumb.org/archives/2008/03/expelled-expose.html > > I wonder, would a public school teacher in Harrisburg, Pennsylvania, be > allowed to say the following: > �It is interesting to contemplate � [all the many forms of life on earth] > � so different from each other, have all been produced by laws acting > around us. � There is grandeur in this view of life, HAVING BEEN > ORIGINALLY BREATHED [BY THE CREATOR] INTO A FEW FORMS OR INTO ONE; and > that from so simple a beginning, endless forms most beautiful and most > wonderful have been, and are being evolved.� > Just imagine a public school teacher who says those words: that God > creates life and places it on the earth in a few forms, and then that life > evolves according to the physical and natural laws that God put into place > in the universe. > Would that be allowed? > Actually, it should be REQUIRED FOR THE TEACHER TO SAY THAT. > Why? Because the quote is from: On the Origin of the Species, Chapter XV, > Recapitulation and Conclusion, By Charles Darwin. > If you are going to teach Darwin�s theory of evolution in public schools, > you should teach what Darwin actually wrote about it. > Michael S. Class Author > Anthony and the Magic Picture Frame: The History Book with a Message for > Today�s Young Americans > > If you google "breathed into a few forms or into one", you will get lots > of hits and may be able to find the name of the edition that had these > words. > > One internet website stated that the actual words were: > > There is grandeur in this view of life, with its several powers having > been orginially breathed into a few forms or into one. > > Darwin (in his younger years) planned to become a minister and as a result > knew lots of information about the Bible. He may have had this scripture > in mind when he wrote the above quotation: > > Genesis 2:7 An the Lord God formed man out of the dust of the ground and > breathed life into his nostrils the breath of life and man became a living > soul. You poor simpleton, that cane from a letter from a reader, not anyone at the site. If you had read on further you would have found the entire reading, in context: It is interesting to contemplate an entangled bank, clothed with many plants of many kinds, with birds singing on the bushes, with various insects flitting about, and with worms crawling through the damp earth, and to reflect that these elaborately constructed forms, so different from each other, and dependent on each other in so complex a manner, have all been produced by laws acting around us. These laws, taken in the largest sense, being: * Growth with Reproduction, * Inheritance, which is almost implied by reproduction. * Variability from the indirect and direct action of the external conditions of life, and from use and disuse. * A Ratio of Increase so high as to lead to a Struggle for Life � * � and as a consequence to Natural Selection, entailing Divergence of Character and the Extinction of less-improved forms. Thus, from the war of nature, from famine and death, the most exalted object which we are capable of conceiving, namely, the production of the higher animals, directly follows. There is grandeur in this view of life, with its several powers, having been originally breathed into a few forms or into one; and that, whilst this planet has gone cycling on according to the fixed law of gravity, from so simple a beginning endless forms most beautiful and most wonderful have been, and are being, evolved. Keep pounding the keyboard Jason, you're one of our prime examples of the type of people who support creationism. |