Does God need to prove He exists?
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From: rbwinn on 2 Jul 2008 13:02 On Jul 2, 12:45 am, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: > rbwinn wrote: > > On Jul 1, 5:00�pm, Free Lunch <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote: > >> On Tue, 1 Jul 2008 07:27:47 -0700 (PDT), in alt.atheism > >> rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote in > >> <6ec0a32a-3255-47d6-b573-5ace27ba6...(a)26g2000hsk.googlegroups.com>:>On Jul 1, 12:29�am, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: > >>>> rbwinn wrote: > >> ... > > >>>>> No, you didn't. �I told you from the beginning that I was a Vietnam > >>>>> veteran. > >>>> Did you? I don't remember it. > >>>> Your record of lying has not served you well, it was an honestly-held > >>>> suspicion. I have been corrected. See how easy it is to admit that I was > >>>> wrong? > >>> How do you know I was telling the truth about being a Vietnam > >>> veteran? �Do you see how you are getting onto shaky ground here? > >> We don't. We also know that you lie to us all the time. Still, it > >> doesn't matter in this discussion whether you have lied to us about your > >> service in Vietnam or not. Do you have PTSD? > > > What they accused me of was paranoid schizophrenia.  At the time I did > > not pay much attention to it until they started to try to kill me with > > tranquilizers.  The reason why I still talk to atheists is because > > they act exactly like people who work in psychiatry. > > They are people who hate me for no reason at all.  That is behavior > > that seems very strange to me. > > I don't hate you at all, I just vigourously disagree with you. Actually, > I don't even understand you.- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - Well, I am sure there were SS concentration camp guards who would say that they did not hate the Jews. Actions sometimes speak louder than words. Robert B. Winn
From: rbwinn on 2 Jul 2008 13:09 On Jul 2, 12:44 am, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: > rbwinn wrote: > > On Jul 1, 7:08�pm, Free Lunch <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote: > >> On Tue, 1 Jul 2008 18:14:36 -0700 (PDT), in alt.atheism > >> rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote in > >> <f9708904-6500-4209-b487-ab99be5d1...(a)r66g2000hsg.googlegroups.com>: > > >>> On Jul 1, 1:07?pm, raven1 <quoththera...(a)nevermore.com> wrote: > >>>> On Tue, 1 Jul 2008 00:17:22 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> > >>>> wrote: > >>>>> On Jun 30, 3:58?pm, raven1 <quoththera...(a)nevermore.com> wrote: > >>>>>> On Mon, 30 Jun 2008 00:06:02 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> > >>>>>> wrote: > >>>>>>> On Jun 29, 4:12?pm, Free Lunch <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote: > >>>>>>>> On Sun, 29 Jun 2008 15:23:58 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> > >>>>>>>> wrote in alt.atheism: > >>>>>>>>> On Jun 29, 7:07?am, Free Lunch <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 29 Jun 2008 07:06:07 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno..com> > >>>>>>>>>> wrote in alt.atheism: > >>>>>>>> ... > >>>>>>>>>>> I did not lie. ?There actually is a conduit for water between Gihon > >>>>>>>>>>> spring and the pool of Siloam. > >>>>>>>>>> And, as you know, that is not the lie I have pointed out to you. You lie > >>>>>>>>>> here by falsely and intentionally trying to distract us from the lie > >>>>>>>>>> under discussion. You know that no one imposes abortion in the United > >>>>>>>>>> States. That is another in a long line of lies that you refuse to repent > >>>>>>>>>> of.- Hide quoted text - > >>>>>>>>>> - Show quoted text - > >>>>>>>>> The Supreme Court and other atheists imposed abortion on the United > >>>>>>>>> States. > >>>>>>>> Abortion is not imposed. You know that. No one is ever forced to have an > >>>>>>>> abortion by our government. Stop lying to us. > >>>>>>> Women have been forced to have abortions in order to get welfare > >>>>>>> assistance. > >>>>>> Bullshit. Citation, please. > >>>>> And our government still recognizes our right to trial by jury, > >>>>> right? > >>>> Nice attempt at distraction, but completely irrelevant. This has > >>>> absolutely nothing to do with women being forced to have abortions in > >>>> order to get welfare assistance. Which is still a completely bogus > >>>> claim on your part. > >>>>> How gullible do you think I am about "our government"? ?Or > >>>>> maybe you are just including atheists when you say "our government".. > >>>> I didn't say you were gullible, I said you were lying. Your pathetic > >>>> attempt to change the subject, rather than support your claim, just > >>>> confirms my assessment.- Hide quoted text - > >>>> - Show quoted text - > >>> I personally know one woman who was subjected to governmental > >>> reproduction control. > >> Back up your defamatory claim with some evidence.- Hide quoted text - > > >> - Show quoted text - > > > Why?  Am I supposed to care whether you believe what I say? > > Why bother talking at all then? You know that no-one will listen without > you backing up your claims.- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - I do not care whether you listen. I do not care whether you believe there is a tunnel between Gihon spring and the pool of Siloam. I do not care whether you believe there is an earthen ramp built by the Assyrian army over the wall of the city of Lachish. The fact that you disbelieve something does not change it. I believe what I believe. What you are saying is that everyone else believes something different from what I believe, so I should never say what I believe. First of all, not everyone believes something different from what I believe. Only atheists seem to consistently believe something different. Robert B. Winn
From: DuhIdiot on 2 Jul 2008 13:35 rbwinn <rbwinn3(a)juno.com> wrote in news:e0e2b989-cbff-4f38-890a-b45fc0e5da48(a)b1g2000hsg.googlegroups.com: <snip> > So atheists claim that a baby inside its mother's womb is a parasite. > I already knew that. I think we can expect to start to see a > requirement in public education that students acknowledge that an > unborn baby is a parasite, or they could be marked wrong on a test. > Weren't you atheists just trying to tell me that atheism is never > imposed on public education? > Robert B. Winn You just get stupider and stupider. You make up a moronic, imaginary scenario where an idea having nothing to do with atheism is introduced into the schools, then use your fantasy as evidence that atheism has been imposed on the kiddies. If you don't stop using the phrase "I think", the concepts of honesty and thought are going to incarnate just so they can hunt you down and beat you. -- No SPAM in my email.
From: Steve O on 2 Jul 2008 15:51 "rbwinn" <rbwinn3(a)juno.com> wrote in message news:a3debf6a-1527-4781-86f8-f3b676478f8e(a)y21g2000hsf.googlegroups.com... > On Jul 1, 1:03�pm, "Steve O" <nospamh...(a)thanks.com> wrote: >> "rbwinn" <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote in message >> >> > I never argue, Steve. If you want to be an atheist, that is your >> > privilege. I was just curious about what you were going to do after >> > you die. >> > Robert B. Winn >> >> Well, I was planning on decomposing, just like everyone else. >> >> -- >> Steve O > > Well, that is quite a plan. What do you do after you are decomposed? You mean you don't know? This is the beautiful part. You become fertilizer, and could end up as food for, say, a flower or a blade of grass. The actual molecules and atoms from your ashes would be utilized by the flower to grow. You would physically become part of that flower , which in turn could be eaten by an animal, and could be converted into part of that animal. Here's the amazing part - this has happened to you thousands and thousands of times in the past before you were born and will happen again thousands and thousands of times after you die. So here is the beautiful, undeniable truth- the particles of your body have been around for the entire life of the universe. They are spending the blink of an eye in the pattern known as 'you'. Make the most of it. There is always the chance you could end up as a dog turd and just dry up and blow away. (with thanks to Brian Cox) -- Steve O a.a. #2240 (Apatheist Chapter) B.A.A.W.A. Convicted by Earthquack, Exempt from purgatory by papal indulgence "I have a miraculous picture of Jesus - if you look really closely at the face, you can see a burnt tortilla"
From: Steve O on 2 Jul 2008 15:54
"rbwinn" <rbwinn3(a)juno.com> wrote in message news:0654196a-182b-4495-9322-a7e488df4f01(a)56g2000hsm.googlegroups.com... > On Jul 1, 1:04 pm, "Steve O" <nospamh...(a)thanks.com> wrote: >> "rbwinn" <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote in message >> >> news:13339a2a-8599-41b2-ac22-cb13fde245ce(a)l42g2000hsc.googlegroups.com... >> >> >> >> >> >> > On Jul 1, 3:58 am, "Steve O" <nospamh...(a)thanks.com> wrote: >> >> "rbwinn" <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote in message >> >> >>news:12bd9c5a-fc7c-437c-862b-33e48b270a59(a)m3g2000hsc.googlegroups.com... >> >> >> > On Jun 30, 6:37 pm, "Steve O" <nospamh...(a)thanks.com> wrote: >> >> >> "rbwinn" <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote in message >> >> >> >>news:6b4ffde3-6dd2-42e1-ae8b-31dca39a4aee(a)f24g2000prh.googlegroups.com... >> >> >> >> > On Jun 30, 1:03 pm, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: >> >> >> >> rbwinn wrote: >> >> >> >> > On Jun 29, 11:50 pm, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> >> >> >> >> > wrote: >> >> >> >> >> rbwinn wrote: >> >> >> >> >>> On Jun 29, 10:57�am, "Alex W." <ing...(a)yahoo.co.uk> wrote: >> >> >> >> >>>> "rbwinn" <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote in message >> >> >> >> >>>>news:1c31d316-2b91-43f6-b6c0-3fb4dbf97774(a)z72g2000hsb.googlegroups.com... >> >> >> >> >>>> On Jun 29, 12:13 am, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> >> >> >> >> >>>> wrote: >> >> >> >> >>>>> rbwinn wrote: >> >> >> >> >>>>>> On Jun 28, 2:15 pm, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> >> >> >> >> >>>>>> wrote: >> >> >> >> >>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> On Jun 28, 7:04?am, Free Lunch <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> wrote: >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> On Sat, 28 Jun 2008 07:01:05 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> <rbwi...(a)juno.com> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> wrote in alt.atheism: >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> On Jun 28, 12:21?am, BuddyThunder >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> wrote: >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> ... >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> No, you were trying to hedge your bets. ?You do not >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> believe >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> in >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> faith, >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> but you are "on the edge of faith", so that counts >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> in >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> case >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> you >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> need to >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> have faith. ?I know how atheists think. >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> Why would I need to hedge my bets? I believe in >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> faith, >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> I >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> just >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> don't >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> think it's rational. And believe me, you really >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> *don't* >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> know >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> how >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> atheists think.- Hide quoted text - >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> - Show quoted text - >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> I know far better than atheists how they think. ?They >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> have >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> made a >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> wrong choice, so their options are limited. >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> Your lies are indefensible. You celebrate the evil >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> that >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> you >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> have >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> fallen >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> into. >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> I thought you atheists did not believe evil exists. If >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> there >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> is >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> no >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> devil, everything is good, isn't it? >> >> >> >> >>>>>>> Evil sounds like a religious concept to me, but why >> >> >> >> >>>>>>> would >> >> >> >> >>>>>>> you >> >> >> >> >>>>>>> think >> >> >> >> >>>>>>> that >> >> >> >> >>>>>>> we can't differentiate right from wrong. Another >> >> >> >> >>>>>>> strawman? >> >> >> >> >>>>>>> We seem to be able to discuss without lying, can you?- >> >> >> >> >>>>>>> Hide >> >> >> >> >>>>>>> quoted >> >> >> >> >>>>>>> text - >> >> >> >> >>>>>>> - Show quoted text - >> >> >> >> >>>>>> Sure. A while back you were saying that there was nothing >> >> >> >> >>>>>> wrong >> >> >> >> >>>>>> with >> >> >> >> >>>>>> killing children before they are born. So are you saying >> >> >> >> >>>>>> that >> >> >> >> >>>>>> killing >> >> >> >> >>>>>> children before they are born is a good thing? >> >> >> >> >>>>> Where did I say that? Can you show me, or is that another >> >> >> >> >>>>> lie? >> >> >> >> >>>>> Abortion >> >> >> >> >>>>> is deeply unpleasant, however I don't think it should be >> >> >> >> >>>>> banned. >> >> >> >> >>>>> They're >> >> >> >> >>>>> not children yet, by the way.- Hide quoted text - >> >> >> >> >>>>> - Show quoted text - >> >> >> >> >>>> Not children yet? �What do you think they are? >> >> >> >> >>>> =============== >> >> >> >> >>>> Technically speaking, they are parasites living off a grown >> >> >> >> >>>> female.- >> >> >> >> >>>> Hide quoted text - >> >> >> >> >>>> - Show quoted text - >> >> >> >> >>> Well, thank you for your answer, Alex. So human beings are >> >> >> >> >>> nothing >> >> >> >> >>> except parasites in atheist theology. >> >> >> >> >> Read it again, this time trying to understand as you go.- >> >> >> >> >> Hide >> >> >> >> >> quoted >> >> >> >> >> text - >> >> >> >> >> > I understood it exactly the first time I read it. >> >> >> >> >> Then why the misrepresentation of what was said? No implication >> >> >> >> was >> >> >> >> made >> >> >> >> that "human beings are nothing except parasites". You >> >> >> >> misunderstood, >> >> >> >> or >> >> >> >> lied. Which was it?- Hide quoted text - >> >> >> >> >> - Show quoted text - >> >> >> >> > This guy says that a baby in its mother's womb is nothing but a >> >> >> > parasite on the mother, and you say, No implication was made that >> >> >> > "human beings are nothing except parasites". I believe that if >> >> >> > something is a parasite when it is in its mother's womb, then it >> >> >> > is >> >> >> > a >> >> >> > parasite after it leaves its mother's womb. A parasite is never >> >> >> > anything except a parasite. >> >> >> > Robert B. Winn >> >> >> >> Please try an educate yourself and read up a little on the >> >> >> parasitical >> >> >> nature of the cytoblast before you really make a fool of yourself. >> >> >> Again. >> >> >> > Why would I want to read what some atheist says about a cytoblast? >> >> > Robert B. Winn >> >> >> What makes you think that only atheists have studied fetal development >> >> or >> >> agree with the parasitical nature of the cytoblast? >> >> Could it perhaps be your ignorance on the subject? >> >> >> >> > The cytoblast is doing exactly what it is supposed to do. That means >> > it is not a parasite. >> > Robert B. Winn >> >> Parasites do exactly what they are supposed to do, and you think that >> means >> that they are not parasites? >> What a strange fellow you are. >> >> - Show quoted text - > > Well, I am sorry I said something considered politically incorrect by > parasite protection societies. So how are your efforts to save the > tapeworm going? > Robert B. Winn Was that an attempt at humour? it's hard to tell with you. -- Steve O a.a. #2240 (Apatheist Chapter) B.A.A.W.A. Convicted by Earthquack, Exempt from purgatory by papal indulgence "I have a miraculous picture of Jesus - if you look really closely at the face, you can see a burnt tortilla" |