Does God need to prove He exists?
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From: rbwinn on 2 Jul 2008 01:35 On Jul 1, 7:08�pm, Free Lunch <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote: > On Tue, 1 Jul 2008 18:14:36 -0700 (PDT), in alt.atheism > rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote in > <f9708904-6500-4209-b487-ab99be5d1...(a)r66g2000hsg.googlegroups.com>: > > > > > > >On Jul 1, 1:07?pm, raven1 <quoththera...(a)nevermore.com> wrote: > >> On Tue, 1 Jul 2008 00:17:22 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> > >> wrote: > > >> >On Jun 30, 3:58?pm, raven1 <quoththera...(a)nevermore.com> wrote: > >> >> On Mon, 30 Jun 2008 00:06:02 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> > >> >> wrote: > > >> >> >On Jun 29, 4:12?pm, Free Lunch <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote: > >> >> >> On Sun, 29 Jun 2008 15:23:58 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> > >> >> >> wrote in alt.atheism: > > >> >> >> >On Jun 29, 7:07?am, Free Lunch <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote: > >> >> >> >> On Sun, 29 Jun 2008 07:06:07 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno..com> > >> >> >> >> wrote in alt.atheism: > > >> >> >> ... > > >> >> >> >> >I did not lie. ?There actually is a conduit for water between Gihon > >> >> >> >> >spring and the pool of Siloam. > > >> >> >> >> And, as you know, that is not the lie I have pointed out to you. You lie > >> >> >> >> here by falsely and intentionally trying to distract us from the lie > >> >> >> >> under discussion. You know that no one imposes abortion in the United > >> >> >> >> States. That is another in a long line of lies that you refuse to repent > >> >> >> >> of.- Hide quoted text - > > >> >> >> >> - Show quoted text - > > >> >> >> >The Supreme Court and other atheists imposed abortion on the United > >> >> >> >States. > > >> >> >> Abortion is not imposed. You know that. No one is ever forced to have an > >> >> >> abortion by our government. Stop lying to us. > > >> >> >Women have been forced to have abortions in order to get welfare > >> >> >assistance. > > >> >> Bullshit. Citation, please. > > >> >And our government still recognizes our right to trial by jury, > >> >right? > > >> Nice attempt at distraction, but completely irrelevant. This has > >> absolutely nothing to do with women being forced to have abortions in > >> order to get welfare assistance. Which is still a completely bogus > >> claim on your part. > > >> > How gullible do you think I am about "our government"? ?Or > >> >maybe you are just including atheists when you say "our government". > > >> I didn't say you were gullible, I said you were lying. Your pathetic > >> attempt to change the subject, rather than support your claim, just > >> confirms my assessment.- Hide quoted text - > > >> - Show quoted text - > > >I personally know one woman who was subjected to governmental > >reproduction control. > > Back up your defamatory claim with some evidence.- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - Why? Am I supposed to care whether you believe what I say? Robert B. Winn
From: rbwinn on 2 Jul 2008 01:36 On Jul 1, 7:10�pm, Free Lunch <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote: > On Tue, 1 Jul 2008 18:27:49 -0700 (PDT), in alt.atheism > rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote in > <65e63885-a0ed-49ec-ae8c-4de581d1a...(a)b1g2000hsg.googlegroups.com>: > > > > > > >On Jul 1, 1:14�pm, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: > >> rbwinn wrote: > >> > On Jul 1, 12:34 am, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: > >> >> rbwinn wrote: > >> >>> On Jun 30, 12:25 am, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: > >> >>>> rbwinn wrote: > >> >>>>> On Jun 28, 6:06?pm, Free Lunch <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote: > >> >>>>>> On Sat, 28 Jun 2008 17:26:59 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> > >> >>>>>> wrote in alt.atheism: > >> >>>>>>> On Jun 28, 12:50?pm, Free Lunch <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote: > >> >>>>>>>> On Sat, 28 Jun 2008 12:11:54 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno..com> > >> >>>>>>>> wrote in alt.atheism: > >> >>>>>>>>> On Jun 28, 7:17?am, Free Lunch <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote: > >> >>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 28 Jun 2008 07:05:42 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> > >> >>>>>>>>>> wrote in alt.atheism: > >> >>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 28, 12:26?am, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: > >> >>>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 27, 6:42?pm, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jack wrote: > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I am upset by *people* who > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> believe that the Bible is anything more than mythology and try ?to impose > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> their > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> beliefs on me ?using the Bible as evidence. > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> How can someone impose a belief on you? ?Just believe whatever you want to > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> believe. > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> The wrong part is when people attempt to use the myth to formulate > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> public policy or indoctrinate children or inform foreign policy. > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Well, actually they use fables. ?The apostles Paul said they would be > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> turned to fables in the last days. ?A fable is a story about animals > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> like the story about monkeys turning into humans. > >> >>>>>>>>>>>> Wow, you're ignorant about evolution. Colour me surprised. > >> >>>>>>>>>>> In what way am I ignorant about evolution? > >> >>>>>>>>>> Monkeys and humans do share a common ancestor. Your denial of the fact > >> >>>>>>>>>> does not change that fact.- Hide quoted text - > >> >>>>>>>>>> - Show quoted text - > >> >>>>>>>>> Charles Darwin was not my ancestor. > >> >>>>>>>> So? > >> >>>>>>>> Evolution happens. Learn to deal with reality.- Hide quoted text - > >> >>>>>>>> - Show quoted text - > >> >>>>>>> I never have believed in evolution. ?I think it is a fable, just as > >> >>>>>>> Paul said it was. > >> >>>>>> Paul knew nothing about it. You mock the Bible with such silly > >> >>>>>> interpretations of it.- Hide quoted text - > >> >>>>>> - Show quoted text - > >> >>>>> I just believe what Paul said. �You seem a little upset that I do not > >> >>>>> believe your fable. > >> >>>> Can you please identify what he said about it? Please?- Hide quoted text - > >> >>>> - Show quoted text - > >> >>> 2 Tim 4:3 �For the time will come when they will not endure sound > >> >>> doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves > >> >>> teachers, having itching ears; > >> >>> 4 � And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be > >> >>> turned unto fables. > >> >> I can't see any mention of evolution. I can't even see any description > >> >> of the theory, or even a theistic strawman description. Can you help me > >> >> out? You made a claim that seems difficult to substantiate.- Hide quoted text - > > >> >> - Show quoted text - > > >> > Well, I think we are getting into subject matter that is too difficult > >> > for you. �Maybe we should go back to Hezekiah's tunnel. > > >> I'm not struggling, maybe you could point out the verse where evolution > >> is singled out. Maybe he's talking about the germ theory of disease. I'm > >> sure you believe that demons are behind illness, rather than pathogens.- Hide quoted text - > > >> - Show quoted text - > > >Well, Paul said that in the last days, men would be turned to fables > >to explain things. �So today we see science explaining most things by > >fables. > > You are such a dishonest fool that you have yourself believing your own > lies.- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - Well, the one I believe is the apostle Paul. Robert B. Winn
From: rbwinn on 2 Jul 2008 01:38 On Jul 1, 7:11�pm, Free Lunch <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote: > On Tue, 1 Jul 2008 18:23:02 -0700 (PDT), in alt.atheism > rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote in > <5a6e721c-a4e8-41e0-b92d-5724b8818...(a)c58g2000hsc.googlegroups.com>: > > > > > > >On Jul 1, 1:13?pm, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: > >> rbwinn wrote: > > >> >> atheists.- Hide quoted text - > > >> >> - Show quoted text - > > >> > Well, I am sure you will not. ?What would their reaction be to > >> > discover that the apostle Paul had identified the theory of evolution > >> > as a fable? > > >> They would accuse you of lying too. It's the only sensible reaction to > >> your lies.- Hide quoted text - > > >> - Show quoted text - > > >Well, I think that is exactly right. �Atheists accuse anyone who > >disagrees with their atheistic doctrines of lying. > > That's your excuse. I call you a liar because you are lying. It has > nothing to do with disagreeing with you, it has to do with the fact that > you have chosen to lie repeatedly to us. It must be sad for you that > everyone, even the lowly atheists, can see how totally untrustworthy and > dishonest you are.- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - Uh huh. Well, why is it that you think I should care what you think about me? Robert B. Winn
From: BuddyThunder on 2 Jul 2008 02:50 Free Lunch wrote: > On Tue, 01 Jul 2008 19:04:25 +1200, in alt.atheism > BuddyThunder <nospam(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote in > <4869d6fb$1(a)clear.net.nz>: >> rbwinn wrote: >>> On Jun 30, 1:01?pm, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: >>>> rbwinn wrote: >>>>>>> Well, there is the beauty of the gospel. ? We do not need to defend >>>>>>> the faith. ?All we need to do is accept the atonement of Christ and >>>>>>> keep his commandments. >>>>>> I can't accept Christ's atonement without first believing in it. I >>>>>> don't. Why would I?- Hide quoted text - >>>>>> - Show quoted text - >>>>> Well, you would if you wanted to be saved. ?You will probably change >>>>> your mind about it after you die. >>>> Saved from what? What strange beliefs. Not much of a religion if it >>>> can't be distinguished from any other as being "the truth". Not much of >>>> a religion if all you have is "you'll see". Ah well. Upwards and onwards!- Hide quoted text - >>>> >>> Well, why don't you decide for yourself what you will do. I will >>> decide for myself what I will do. Does that seem unfair to you? >> Not remotely! There is no other way it should be! I wish you well with >> your truth-seeking. > > When did Mr. Winn start to seek the truth? All he does is sell lies, he > has never shown any interest in learning anything.
From: BuddyThunder on 2 Jul 2008 02:51
Free Lunch wrote: > On Tue, 01 Jul 2008 19:04:25 +1200, in alt.atheism > BuddyThunder <nospam(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote in > <4869d6fb$1(a)clear.net.nz>: >> rbwinn wrote: >>> On Jun 30, 1:01?pm, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: >>>> rbwinn wrote: >>>>>>> Well, there is the beauty of the gospel. ? We do not need to defend >>>>>>> the faith. ?All we need to do is accept the atonement of Christ and >>>>>>> keep his commandments. >>>>>> I can't accept Christ's atonement without first believing in it. I >>>>>> don't. Why would I?- Hide quoted text - >>>>>> - Show quoted text - >>>>> Well, you would if you wanted to be saved. ?You will probably change >>>>> your mind about it after you die. >>>> Saved from what? What strange beliefs. Not much of a religion if it >>>> can't be distinguished from any other as being "the truth". Not much of >>>> a religion if all you have is "you'll see". Ah well. Upwards and onwards!- Hide quoted text - >>>> >>> Well, why don't you decide for yourself what you will do. I will >>> decide for myself what I will do. Does that seem unfair to you? >> Not remotely! There is no other way it should be! I wish you well with >> your truth-seeking. > > When did Mr. Winn start to seek the truth? All he does is sell lies, he > has never shown any interest in learning anything. I know it, you know it, I reckon he knows it. Still, never give up hope, they'll just accuse us of being nihilists! ;-) |