Does God need to prove He exists?
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From: rbwinn on 2 Jul 2008 01:13 On Jul 1, 5:05�pm, Free Lunch <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote: > On Tue, 1 Jul 2008 07:31:29 -0700 (PDT), in alt.atheism > rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote in > <ccc732d9-4c47-442b-ad22-fc806fe8b...(a)z66g2000hsc.googlegroups.com>: > > > > > > >On Jul 1, 12:32?am, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: > >> Free Lunch wrote: > >> > On Mon, 30 Jun 2008 12:26:07 -0700 (PDT), in alt.atheism > >> > rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote in > >> > <b804ab27-a92f-4ef2-a69c-54dd80028...(a)j33g2000pri.googlegroups.com>: > >> >> On Jun 30, 12:25?am, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: > >> >>> Free Lunch wrote: > >> >>>> On Sun, 29 Jun 2008 15:15:20 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> > >> >>>> wrote in alt.atheism: > >> >>>>> On Jun 28, 6:06?pm, Free Lunch <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote: > >> >>>>>> On Sat, 28 Jun 2008 17:26:59 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> > >> >>>>>> wrote in alt.atheism: > >> >>>>>>> On Jun 28, 12:50?pm, Free Lunch <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote: > >> >>>>>>>> On Sat, 28 Jun 2008 12:11:54 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno..com> > >> >>>>>>>> wrote in alt.atheism: > >> >>>>>>>>> On Jun 28, 7:17?am, Free Lunch <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote: > >> >>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 28 Jun 2008 07:05:42 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> > >> >>>>>>>>>> wrote in alt.atheism: > >> >>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 28, 12:26?am, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: > >> >>>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 27, 6:42?pm, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jack wrote: > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I am upset by *people* who > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> believe that the Bible is anything more than mythology and try ?to impose > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> their > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> beliefs on me ?using the Bible as evidence. > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> How can someone impose a belief on you? ?Just believe whatever you want to > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> believe. > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> The wrong part is when people attempt to use the myth to formulate > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> public policy or indoctrinate children or inform foreign policy. > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Well, actually they use fables. ?The apostles Paul said they would be > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> turned to fables in the last days. ?A fable is a story about animals > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> like the story about monkeys turning into humans. > >> >>>>>>>>>>>> Wow, you're ignorant about evolution. Colour me surprised. > >> >>>>>>>>>>> In what way am I ignorant about evolution? > >> >>>>>>>>>> Monkeys and humans do share a common ancestor. Your denial of the fact > >> >>>>>>>>>> does not change that fact.- Hide quoted text - > >> >>>>>>>>>> - Show quoted text - > >> >>>>>>>>> Charles Darwin was not my ancestor. > >> >>>>>>>> So? > >> >>>>>>>> Evolution happens. Learn to deal with reality.- Hide quoted text - > >> >>>>>>>> - Show quoted text - > >> >>>>>>> I never have believed in evolution. ?I think it is a fable, just as > >> >>>>>>> Paul said it was. > >> >>>>>> Paul knew nothing about it. You mock the Bible with such silly > >> >>>>>> interpretations of it.- Hide quoted text - > >> >>>>>> - Show quoted text - > >> >>>>> I just believe what Paul said. ?You seem a little upset that I do not > >> >>>>> believe your fable. > >> >>>> Your problem is that you _lied_ about what Paul said. He _never_ said > >> >>>> that evolution was a fable. That was the lie you told, one you cannot > >> >>>> back up with _anything_ in the Bible, not from Paul, not from anywhere. > >> >>> It's gotta be tough to keep 'em all in a row this far down the road!- Hide quoted text - > > >> >>> - Show quoted text - > >> >> Well, if Paul had named Charles Darwin by name, atheists would claim > >> >> he was not talking about evolution. > > >> > You know you lied to us, but you are trying to run away from your > >> > behavior when you were caught. > > >> It is not weakness to admit a mistake, Robert. We won't tell the other > >> atheists.- Hide quoted text - > > >> - Show quoted text - > > >Well, I am sure you will not. �What would their reaction be to > >discover that the apostle Paul had identified the theory of evolution > >as a fable? > > He did not. You lied to us about that. Remember?- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - Well, the best one to ask about that would be Paul. Robert B. Winn
From: Steve O on 2 Jul 2008 01:24 "Dogmantic Pyrrhonist (AKA Al)" <alwhipp(a)optusnet.com.au> wrote in message news:2442bb91-bb1a-4720-8be5-e3a273ba1078(a)s33g2000pri.googlegroups.com... > On Jul 2, 6:03 am, "Steve O" <nospamh...(a)thanks.com> wrote: >> "rbwinn" <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote in message >> >> news:3770038e-e7b0-4e64-9dd5-d442a816638a(a)m45g2000hsb.googlegroups.com... >> >> >> >> >> > Well, there is your mistake, Steve. I am not arguing with anyone. >> >> > You atheists are free to believe whatever you want to believe. >> >> > Robert B. Winn >> >> >> Don't be so dumb. >> >> Your argument is that there is a God. >> >> > I never argue, Steve. If you want to be an atheist, that is your >> > privilege. I was just curious about what you were going to do after >> > you die. >> > Robert B. Winn >> >> Well, I was planning on decomposing, just like everyone else. >> > Some of us plan to burn up (assisted of course). Thank you very > much. Well... (putting pedantic head on..) I was going to mention cremation, but then it occurred to me that even ashes eventually decompose too, so I left it out. Let's face it, every one of us will eventually decompose whether we are burned, pickled, frozen or buried. There's no escape from it. -- Steve O a.a. #2240 (Apatheist Chapter) B.A.A.W.A. Convicted by Earthquack, Exempt from purgatory by papal indulgence "I have a miraculous picture of Jesus - if you look really closely at the face, you can see a burnt tortilla" > > Al > Better to burn up, than fade away
From: rbwinn on 2 Jul 2008 01:24 On Jul 1, 5:25 pm, "Dogmantic Pyrrhonist (AKA Al)" <alwh...(a)optusnet.com.au> wrote: > On Jul 2, 4:56 am, rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote: > > > > > > > On Jul 1, 12:52 am, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: > > > > Dogmantic Pyrrhonist (AKA Al) wrote: > > > > > On Jul 1, 10:31 am, rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote: > > > >> On Jun 30, 2:57�pm, "Steve O" <nospamh...(a)thanks.com> wrote: > > > > >>> "rbwinn" <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote in message news:deedcfe4-50c8-4aba-9a1f- > > > >>>> I am still in the religion I was born in. �I picked the religion I am in > > > >>>> before I > > > >>>> was born. > > > >>>> Robert B. Winn > > > >>> Probably the most idiotic thing you have ever said. > > > >>> Go on, I dare you try and explain this statement without looking like the > > > >>> fool you are. > > > >>> -- > > > >>> Steve O > > > >> Jeremiah chapter 1. > > > >> Robert B. Winn > > > > > That's Jeremiah the Bullfrog > > > > Heh heh, good buddy of mine, knows his wine.- Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > Did you know that when Hoyt Axton first wrote that song the words > > were, Jeremiah was a prophet, he was a good friend of mine, etc.  Then > > when the atheistic rock band, Three Dog Night got the song, the > > changed Jeremiah from a prophet to a bullfrog to make the song more > > popular with the  atheistic youth. > > Robert B. Winn > > No, I didn't, which is possibly the first interesting thing you've had > to say. > On the other hand, without the bullfrog bit it's not really memorable. > > Al- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - Well, actually the song was inspired by a scripture in the book of Jeremiah. It has reference to a scripture which says, Drink no longer water, but take a little wine for thy stomach's sake. Robert B. Winn
From: rbwinn on 2 Jul 2008 01:32 On Jul 1, 6:42 pm, "Dogmantic Pyrrhonist (AKA Al)" <alwh...(a)optusnet.com.au> wrote: > On Jul 2, 11:23 am, rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote: > > > > > > > On Jul 1, 1:13�pm, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: > > > > rbwinn wrote: > > > >> atheists.- Hide quoted text - > > > > >> - Show quoted text - > > > > > Well, I am sure you will not. �What would their reaction be to > > > > discover that the apostle Paul had identified the theory of evolution > > > > as a fable? > > > > They would accuse you of lying too. It's the only sensible reaction to > > > your lies.- Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > Well, I think that is exactly right.  Atheists accuse anyone who > > disagrees with their atheistic doctrines of lying. > > Robert B. Winn > > Well, no.  We're accusing you of lying on the newsgroup about things > in the newsgroup.  A particularly silly attempt at lying to be > honest.  The only evidence everyone in a newsgroup can see with equal > levels of certainty is the newsgroup itself.  In this topic, you have > constantly lied about what other people have said on the same topic. > All anyone needs to do to verify your untruthfulness is to scroll back > through the posts, often included in your own, that show what the > other person actually said. > > Al- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - Well, as I said, you could do the same thing with Jay Leno, but no one ever does it. So what makes me so special? Robert B. Winn
From: rbwinn on 2 Jul 2008 01:34
On Jul 1, 6:43 pm, "Dogmantic Pyrrhonist (AKA Al)" <alwh...(a)optusnet.com.au> wrote: > On Jul 2, 11:27 am, rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote: > > > > > > > On Jul 1, 1:14 pm, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: > > > > rbwinn wrote: > > > > On Jul 1, 12:34 am, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: > > > >> rbwinn wrote: > > > >>> On Jun 30, 12:25 am, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: > > > >>>> rbwinn wrote: > > > >>>>> On Jun 28, 6:06�pm, Free Lunch <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote: > > > >>>>>> On Sat, 28 Jun 2008 17:26:59 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> > > > >>>>>> wrote in alt.atheism: > > > >>>>>>> On Jun 28, 12:50?pm, Free Lunch <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote: > > > >>>>>>>> On Sat, 28 Jun 2008 12:11:54 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> > > > >>>>>>>> wrote in alt.atheism: > > > >>>>>>>>> On Jun 28, 7:17?am, Free Lunch <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote: > > > >>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 28 Jun 2008 07:05:42 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> > > > >>>>>>>>>> wrote in alt.atheism: > > > >>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 28, 12:26?am, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 27, 6:42?pm, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jack wrote: > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I am upset by *people* who > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> believe that the Bible is anything more than mythology and try ?to impose > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> their > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> beliefs on me ?using the Bible as evidence. > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> How can someone impose a belief on you? ?Just believe whatever you want to > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> believe. > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> The wrong part is when people attempt to use the myth to formulate > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> public policy or indoctrinate children or inform foreign policy. > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Well, actually they use fables. ?The apostles Paul said they would be > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> turned to fables in the last days. ?A fable is a story about animals > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> like the story about monkeys turning into humans. > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> Wow, you're ignorant about evolution. Colour me surprised.. > > > >>>>>>>>>>> In what way am I ignorant about evolution? > > > >>>>>>>>>> Monkeys and humans do share a common ancestor. Your denial of the fact > > > >>>>>>>>>> does not change that fact.- Hide quoted text - > > > >>>>>>>>>> - Show quoted text - > > > >>>>>>>>> Charles Darwin was not my ancestor. > > > >>>>>>>> So? > > > >>>>>>>> Evolution happens. Learn to deal with reality.- Hide quoted text - > > > >>>>>>>> - Show quoted text - > > > >>>>>>> I never have believed in evolution. �I think it is a fable, just as > > > >>>>>>> Paul said it was. > > > >>>>>> Paul knew nothing about it. You mock the Bible with such silly > > > >>>>>> interpretations of it.- Hide quoted text - > > > >>>>>> - Show quoted text - > > > >>>>> I just believe what Paul said.  You seem a little upset that I do not > > > >>>>> believe your fable. > > > >>>> Can you please identify what he said about it? Please?- Hide quoted text - > > > >>>> - Show quoted text - > > > >>> 2 Tim 4:3  For the time will come when they will not endure sound > > > >>> doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves > > > >>> teachers, having itching ears; > > > >>> 4  And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be > > > >>> turned unto fables. > > > >> I can't see any mention of evolution. I can't even see any description > > > >> of the theory, or even a theistic strawman description. Can you help me > > > >> out? You made a claim that seems difficult to substantiate.- Hide quoted text - > > > > >> - Show quoted text - > > > > > Well, I think we are getting into subject matter that is too difficult > > > > for you.  Maybe we should go back to Hezekiah's tunnel. > > > > I'm not struggling, maybe you could point out the verse where evolution > > > is singled out. Maybe he's talking about the germ theory of disease. I'm > > > sure you believe that demons are behind illness, rather than pathogens..- Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > Well, Paul said that in the last days, men would be turned to fables > > to explain things.  So today we see science explaining most things by > > fables. > > Robert B. Winn > > Please explain how "evolution" counts as a fable?  And we'll show you > how you understanding of evolution is horribly wrong. > > Al- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - Well, as Paul pointed out, in the last days men would be unable to endure sound doctrine and would devise a fable to try to explain the existence of mankind without a God. Robert B. Winn |