Does God need to prove He exists?
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From: BuddyThunder on 2 Jul 2008 17:03 rbwinn wrote: > On Jul 1, 11:59 pm, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: >> rbwinn wrote: >>> On Jul 1, 1:04 pm, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: >>>> rbwinn wrote: >>>>> On Jul 1, 12:20 am, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: >>>>>> rbwinn wrote: >>>>>>> On Jun 30, 1:19�pm, Enkidu <fox_rgf...(a)trashmail.net> wrote: >>>>>>>> rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote in news:22183802-cf28-4305-af11- >>>>>>>> 7d254b106...(a)d1g2000hsg.googlegroups.com: >>>>>>>>> You are the one being deliberately obtuse. � The existence of the >>>>>>>>> tunnel validates many other things said in the Bible about the >>>>>>>>> Assyrian invasion of Judea. >>>>>>>> "The Hobbit" talks of ale, axes, and forests which we know exist. Does that >>>>>>>> validate Orcs, Elves, Dwarves, trolls, magic rings, walking trees and Tom >>>>>>>> Bombadil? >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> Enkidu AA#2165 � >>>>>>>> EAC Chaplain and ordained minister, >>>>>>>> ULC, Modesto, CA >>>>>>>> Doesn't anything socialistic make you want to throw up? Like great public >>>>>>>> schools, or health insurance for all? >>>>>>>> � � �-Kurt Vonnegut >>>>>>> Why don't you decide for yourself? You were the one who thought of >>>>>>> it. >>>>>> Why don't you try to defend your assertions? How can we know we can >>>>>> trust what you say?- Hide quoted text - >>>>>> - Show quoted text - >>>>> It does not matter to me what you trust. You decide what you are >>>>> going to trust. >>>> If you can't provide any sensible reason to believe your fanciful >>>> claims, then I guess we're done.- Hide quoted text - >>>> - Show quoted text - >>> Fanciful claims? I said that the Jews dug a tunnel as a conduit for >>> water between Gihon spring and the pool of Siloam. Why do you think >>> that is a fanciful claim? >> That is not a fanciful claim. You and I both know that I'm referring to >> your supernatural claims. Those would be the ones you're completely >> unable to support with any evidence.- Hide quoted text - >> >> - Show quoted text - > > I have not made any claims to atheists except that the Jews dug a > tunnel to be used as a conduit for water, and the Assyrians built a > ramp out of dirt to get over the city wall at Lachish. To an atheist > these might seem like supernatural claims because there were actually > people working to accomplish both of these tasks instead of just > giving orders, criticism, etc., the way atheists do. Since atheists > have been unable to visualize these two events, there is no reason to > proceed on to anything more complex. Then we're in total agreement. A tunnel was dug a long time ago and it got mentioned in some ancient writings, providing absolutlely no support for any supernatural claims. So why all the posts?
From: Daniel Mandic on 2 Jul 2008 17:04 rbwinn wrote: > Actions sometimes speak louder than words. > Robert B. Winn ]marvelous[ --
From: Daniel Mandic on 2 Jul 2008 17:03 rbwinn wrote: > Only atheists seem to consistently believe something different. > Robert B. Winn tic-tac (tactic) --
From: BuddyThunder on 2 Jul 2008 17:05 rbwinn wrote: > On Jul 2, 12:01 am, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: >> rbwinn wrote: >>> On Jul 1, 8:57�am, "Alex W." <ing...(a)yahoo.co.uk> wrote: >>>> "rbwinn" <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote in message >>>> news:331f3679-c6d3-4823-a60e-ab10d5db820e(a)2g2000hsn.googlegroups.com... >>>> Well, Adolph Eichmann felt much the same way about the final >>>> solution. >>>> ========= >>>> Now that's definitely Godwin's Law ... >>> Yes, Godwin's law is a rule made by atheists forbidding any reference >>> to the Nazi Party. >> Your total inability to learn should be a serious concern to you! You're >> still wrong about that. > > No, I am not. The Nazi Party did a lot of things that atheists would > like to do again. So if it is forbidden to talk about the Nazi Party > and what they did, then people will forget about it, and there will be > no outcry when you do the same kind of things. No-one is forbidden by Godwin's Law from doing anything. You are wrong, your silly and bigoted assertions notwithstanding.
From: BuddyThunder on 2 Jul 2008 17:14
rbwinn wrote: > On Jul 2, 12:44 am, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: >> rbwinn wrote: >>> On Jul 1, 7:08�pm, Free Lunch <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote: >>>> On Tue, 1 Jul 2008 18:14:36 -0700 (PDT), in alt.atheism >>>> rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote in >>>> <f9708904-6500-4209-b487-ab99be5d1...(a)r66g2000hsg.googlegroups.com>: >>>>> On Jul 1, 1:07?pm, raven1 <quoththera...(a)nevermore.com> wrote: >>>>>> On Tue, 1 Jul 2008 00:17:22 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> On Jun 30, 3:58?pm, raven1 <quoththera...(a)nevermore.com> wrote: >>>>>>>> On Mon, 30 Jun 2008 00:06:02 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> On Jun 29, 4:12?pm, Free Lunch <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 29 Jun 2008 15:23:58 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> >>>>>>>>>> wrote in alt.atheism: >>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 29, 7:07?am, Free Lunch <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 29 Jun 2008 07:06:07 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> >>>>>>>>>>>> wrote in alt.atheism: >>>>>>>>>> ... >>>>>>>>>>>>> I did not lie. ?There actually is a conduit for water between Gihon >>>>>>>>>>>>> spring and the pool of Siloam. >>>>>>>>>>>> And, as you know, that is not the lie I have pointed out to you. You lie >>>>>>>>>>>> here by falsely and intentionally trying to distract us from the lie >>>>>>>>>>>> under discussion. You know that no one imposes abortion in the United >>>>>>>>>>>> States. That is another in a long line of lies that you refuse to repent >>>>>>>>>>>> of.- Hide quoted text - >>>>>>>>>>>> - Show quoted text - >>>>>>>>>>> The Supreme Court and other atheists imposed abortion on the United >>>>>>>>>>> States. >>>>>>>>>> Abortion is not imposed. You know that. No one is ever forced to have an >>>>>>>>>> abortion by our government. Stop lying to us. >>>>>>>>> Women have been forced to have abortions in order to get welfare >>>>>>>>> assistance. >>>>>>>> Bullshit. Citation, please. >>>>>>> And our government still recognizes our right to trial by jury, >>>>>>> right? >>>>>> Nice attempt at distraction, but completely irrelevant. This has >>>>>> absolutely nothing to do with women being forced to have abortions in >>>>>> order to get welfare assistance. Which is still a completely bogus >>>>>> claim on your part. >>>>>>> How gullible do you think I am about "our government"? ?Or >>>>>>> maybe you are just including atheists when you say "our government". >>>>>> I didn't say you were gullible, I said you were lying. Your pathetic >>>>>> attempt to change the subject, rather than support your claim, just >>>>>> confirms my assessment.- Hide quoted text - >>>>>> - Show quoted text - >>>>> I personally know one woman who was subjected to governmental >>>>> reproduction control. >>>> Back up your defamatory claim with some evidence.- Hide quoted text - >>>> - Show quoted text - >>> Why? Am I supposed to care whether you believe what I say? >> Why bother talking at all then? You know that no-one will listen without >> you backing up your claims.- Hide quoted text - >> >> - Show quoted text - > > I do not care whether you listen. I do not care whether you believe > there is a tunnel between Gihon spring and the pool of Siloam. I do > not care whether you believe there is an earthen ramp built by the > Assyrian army over the wall of the city of Lachish. The fact that you > disbelieve something does not change it. I believe what I believe. > What you are saying is that everyone else believes something different > from what I believe, so I should never say what I believe. First of > all, not everyone believes something different from what I believe. > Only atheists seem to consistently believe something different. No, again you misunderstand me. You're fully entitled to spout off about whatever you like, but we're free to think you're another crazy god-addled believer until you can come up with some compelling evidence that we should take seriously. So far you have some ancient physical features that may or may not be the ones mentioned in the Bible. There are plenty of other such places in there. None of them show that the Bible is anything more than fiction written about some real places. The Qu'ran has many such places too. Is that true? So, spout away! :-) |