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From: Free Lunch on 2 Jul 2008 18:56 On Tue, 1 Jul 2008 22:10:09 -0700 (PDT), in alt.atheism rbwinn <rbwinn3(a)juno.com> wrote in <bf4bbbd5-9312-4857-87c4-275250b9a5b4(a)k30g2000hse.googlegroups.com>: >On Jul 1, 5:01?pm, Free Lunch <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote: >> On Mon, 30 Jun 2008 19:44:46 -0700 (PDT), in alt.atheism >> rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote in >> <2cd82a5a-f445-4105-b500-b805f0662...(a)s33g2000pri.googlegroups.com>: >> >> >> >> >> >> >On Jun 30, 3:09?pm, "Steve O" <nospamh...(a)thanks.com> wrote: >> >> "rbwinn" <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote in message news:61174020-7051-443b-87a2- >> >> > I have never seen an atheist who opposes abortion. ?I believe that pro- >> >> > life atheists are mythological. >> >> > Robert B. Winn >> >> >> You've never seen one, but you have communicated with one. >> >> I am an atheist who is opposed to abortion. >> >> We are no longer mythological. >> >> How do you reconcile that with your twisted worldview? >> >> >> -- >> >> Steve O >> >> a.a. #2240 (Apatheist Chapter) >> >> B.A.A.W.A. >> >> Convicted by Earthquack, >> >> Exempt from purgatory by papal indulgence >> >> "I have a miraculous picture of Jesus - if you look really closely at the >> >> face, you can see a burnt tortilla" >> >> >Well, to be honest, Steve, I do not believe you. >> >> Given all the lies you have told that are obvious to everyone here, no >> one cares what you think about what Steve said. > >I think that is wonderful. I think it's wonderful that people recognize that you are a liar who will never convince anyone that your lies are true, if only because your lies are so blatant that a kid would recognize that you are being dishonest.
From: Free Lunch on 2 Jul 2008 18:57 On Tue, 1 Jul 2008 22:34:31 -0700 (PDT), in alt.atheism rbwinn <rbwinn3(a)juno.com> wrote in <512cb48e-87b3-4821-909e-b74ba05b66ea(a)w7g2000hsa.googlegroups.com>: >On Jul 1, 6:43�pm, "Dogmantic Pyrrhonist (AKA Al)" ><alwh...(a)optusnet.com.au> wrote: >> On Jul 2, 11:27 am, rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> > On Jul 1, 1:14 pm, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: >> >> > > rbwinn wrote: >> > > > On Jul 1, 12:34 am, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: >> > > >> rbwinn wrote: >> > > >>> On Jun 30, 12:25 am, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: >> > > >>>> rbwinn wrote: >> > > >>>>> On Jun 28, 6:06?pm, Free Lunch <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote: >> > > >>>>>> On Sat, 28 Jun 2008 17:26:59 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> >> > > >>>>>> wrote in alt.atheism: >> > > >>>>>>> On Jun 28, 12:50?pm, Free Lunch <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote: >> > > >>>>>>>> On Sat, 28 Jun 2008 12:11:54 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> >> > > >>>>>>>> wrote in alt.atheism: >> > > >>>>>>>>> On Jun 28, 7:17?am, Free Lunch <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote: >> > > >>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 28 Jun 2008 07:05:42 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> >> > > >>>>>>>>>> wrote in alt.atheism: >> > > >>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 28, 12:26?am, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 27, 6:42?pm, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jack wrote: >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I am upset by *people* who >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> believe that the Bible is anything more than mythology and try ?to impose >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> their >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> beliefs on me ?using the Bible as evidence. >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> How can someone impose a belief on you? ?Just believe whatever you want to >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> believe. >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> The wrong part is when people attempt to use the myth to formulate >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> public policy or indoctrinate children or inform foreign policy. >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Well, actually they use fables. ?The apostles Paul said they would be >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> turned to fables in the last days. ?A fable is a story about animals >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> like the story about monkeys turning into humans. >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> Wow, you're ignorant about evolution. Colour me surprised. >> > > >>>>>>>>>>> In what way am I ignorant about evolution? >> > > >>>>>>>>>> Monkeys and humans do share a common ancestor. Your denial of the fact >> > > >>>>>>>>>> does not change that fact.- Hide quoted text - >> > > >>>>>>>>>> - Show quoted text - >> > > >>>>>>>>> Charles Darwin was not my ancestor. >> > > >>>>>>>> So? >> > > >>>>>>>> Evolution happens. Learn to deal with reality.- Hide quoted text - >> > > >>>>>>>> - Show quoted text - >> > > >>>>>>> I never have believed in evolution. ?I think it is a fable, just as >> > > >>>>>>> Paul said it was. >> > > >>>>>> Paul knew nothing about it. You mock the Bible with such silly >> > > >>>>>> interpretations of it.- Hide quoted text - >> > > >>>>>> - Show quoted text - >> > > >>>>> I just believe what Paul said. �You seem a little upset that I do not >> > > >>>>> believe your fable. >> > > >>>> Can you please identify what he said about it? Please?- Hide quoted text - >> > > >>>> - Show quoted text - >> > > >>> 2 Tim 4:3 �For the time will come when they will not endure sound >> > > >>> doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves >> > > >>> teachers, having itching ears; >> > > >>> 4 � And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be >> > > >>> turned unto fables. >> > > >> I can't see any mention of evolution. I can't even see any description >> > > >> of the theory, or even a theistic strawman description. Can you help me >> > > >> out? You made a claim that seems difficult to substantiate.- Hide quoted text - >> >> > > >> - Show quoted text - >> >> > > > Well, I think we are getting into subject matter that is too difficult >> > > > for you. �Maybe we should go back to Hezekiah's tunnel. >> >> > > I'm not struggling, maybe you could point out the verse where evolution >> > > is singled out. Maybe he's talking about the germ theory of disease. I'm >> > > sure you believe that demons are behind illness, rather than pathogens.- Hide quoted text - >> >> > > - Show quoted text - >> >> > Well, Paul said that in the last days, men would be turned to fables >> > to explain things. �So today we see science explaining most things by >> > fables. >> > Robert B. Winn >> >> Please explain how "evolution" counts as a fable? �And we'll show you >> how you understanding of evolution is horribly wrong. > >Well, as Paul pointed out, in the last days men would be unable to >endure sound doctrine and would devise a fable to try to explain the >existence of mankind without a God. Liar. Paul said nothing about evolution.
From: Free Lunch on 2 Jul 2008 18:59 On Wed, 2 Jul 2008 00:13:46 -0700 (PDT), in alt.atheism "Dogmantic Pyrrhonist (AKA Al)" <alwhipp(a)optusnet.com.au> wrote in <871cf3fc-2cb9-42aa-99d8-bc4efed0a75b(a)s33g2000pri.googlegroups.com>: >On Jul 2, 3:34 pm, rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote: >> On Jul 1, 6:43 pm, "Dogmantic Pyrrhonist (AKA Al)" >> >> >> >> <alwh...(a)optusnet.com.au> wrote: >> > On Jul 2, 11:27 am, rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote: >> >> > > On Jul 1, 1:14 pm, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: >> >> > > > rbwinn wrote: >> > > > > On Jul 1, 12:34 am, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: >> > > > >> rbwinn wrote: >> > > > >>> On Jun 30, 12:25 am, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: >> > > > >>>> rbwinn wrote: >> > > > >>>>> On Jun 28, 6:06?pm, Free Lunch <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote: >> > > > >>>>>> On Sat, 28 Jun 2008 17:26:59 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> >> > > > >>>>>> wrote in alt.atheism: >> > > > >>>>>>> On Jun 28, 12:50?pm, Free Lunch <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote: >> > > > >>>>>>>> On Sat, 28 Jun 2008 12:11:54 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> >> > > > >>>>>>>> wrote in alt.atheism: >> > > > >>>>>>>>> On Jun 28, 7:17?am, Free Lunch <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote: >> > > > >>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 28 Jun 2008 07:05:42 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> >> > > > >>>>>>>>>> wrote in alt.atheism: >> > > > >>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 28, 12:26?am, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: >> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: >> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 27, 6:42?pm, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: >> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jack wrote: >> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I am upset by *people* who >> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> believe that the Bible is anything more than mythology and try ?to impose >> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> their >> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> beliefs on me ?using the Bible as evidence. >> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> How can someone impose a belief on you? ?Just believe whatever you want to >> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> believe. >> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> The wrong part is when people attempt to use the myth to formulate >> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> public policy or indoctrinate children or inform foreign policy. >> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Well, actually they use fables. ?The apostles Paul said they would be >> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> turned to fables in the last days. ?A fable is a story about animals >> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> like the story about monkeys turning into humans. >> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> Wow, you're ignorant about evolution. Colour me surprised. >> > > > >>>>>>>>>>> In what way am I ignorant about evolution? >> > > > >>>>>>>>>> Monkeys and humans do share a common ancestor. Your denial of the fact >> > > > >>>>>>>>>> does not change that fact.- Hide quoted text - >> > > > >>>>>>>>>> - Show quoted text - >> > > > >>>>>>>>> Charles Darwin was not my ancestor. >> > > > >>>>>>>> So? >> > > > >>>>>>>> Evolution happens. Learn to deal with reality.- Hide quoted text - >> > > > >>>>>>>> - Show quoted text - >> > > > >>>>>>> I never have believed in evolution. ?I think it is a fable, just as >> > > > >>>>>>> Paul said it was. >> > > > >>>>>> Paul knew nothing about it. You mock the Bible with such silly >> > > > >>>>>> interpretations of it.- Hide quoted text - >> > > > >>>>>> - Show quoted text - >> > > > >>>>> I just believe what Paul said. You seem a little upset that I do not >> > > > >>>>> believe your fable. >> > > > >>>> Can you please identify what he said about it? Please?- Hide quoted text - >> > > > >>>> - Show quoted text - >> > > > >>> 2 Tim 4:3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound >> > > > >>> doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves >> > > > >>> teachers, having itching ears; >> > > > >>> 4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be >> > > > >>> turned unto fables. >> > > > >> I can't see any mention of evolution. I can't even see any description >> > > > >> of the theory, or even a theistic strawman description. Can you help me >> > > > >> out? You made a claim that seems difficult to substantiate.- Hide quoted text - >> >> > > > >> - Show quoted text - >> >> > > > > Well, I think we are getting into subject matter that is too difficult >> > > > > for you. Maybe we should go back to Hezekiah's tunnel. >> >> > > > I'm not struggling, maybe you could point out the verse where evolution >> > > > is singled out. Maybe he's talking about the germ theory of disease. I'm >> > > > sure you believe that demons are behind illness, rather than pathogens.- Hide quoted text - >> >> > > > - Show quoted text - >> >> > > Well, Paul said that in the last days, men would be turned to fables >> > > to explain things. So today we see science explaining most things by >> > > fables. >> > > Robert B. Winn >> >> > Please explain how "evolution" counts as a fable? And we'll show you >> > how you understanding of evolution is horribly wrong. >> >> > Al- Hide quoted text - >> >> > - Show quoted text - >> >> Well, as Paul pointed out, in the last days men would be unable to >> endure sound doctrine and would devise a fable to try to explain the >> existence of mankind without a God. >> Robert B. Winn > >That doesn't relate evolution to a fable. >Do you ever answer a question that isn't just from your own >imagination? > >Al I do think that Paul was being pretty slick when he predicted that someone would call him on his BS, but that his followers should ignore that he had nothing at all to back up his claims.
From: Free Lunch on 2 Jul 2008 19:01 On Tue, 1 Jul 2008 22:11:58 -0700 (PDT), in alt.atheism rbwinn <rbwinn3(a)juno.com> wrote in <c814e6b2-460a-44d6-b765-aad82332d5c9(a)z72g2000hsb.googlegroups.com>: >On Jul 1, 5:03?pm, Free Lunch <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote: >> On Mon, 30 Jun 2008 12:24:32 -0700 (PDT), in alt.atheism >> rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote in >> <6fbc8acb-105d-435d-b962-ddf76fb3d...(a)p39g2000prm.googlegroups.com>: >> >> >> >> >> >> >On Jun 30, 12:25?am, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: >> >> rbwinn wrote: >> >> > On Jun 28, 6:06?pm, Free Lunch <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote: >> >> >> On Sat, 28 Jun 2008 17:26:59 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> >> >> >> wrote in alt.atheism: >> >> >> >>> On Jun 28, 12:50?pm, Free Lunch <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote: >> >> >>>> On Sat, 28 Jun 2008 12:11:54 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> >> >> >>>> wrote in alt.atheism: >> >> >>>>> On Jun 28, 7:17?am, Free Lunch <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote: >> >> >>>>>> On Sat, 28 Jun 2008 07:05:42 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> >> >> >>>>>> wrote in alt.atheism: >> >> >>>>>>> On Jun 28, 12:26?am, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: >> >> >>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: >> >> >>>>>>>>> On Jun 27, 6:42?pm, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: >> >> >>>>>>>>>> Jack wrote: >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> I am upset by *people* who >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> believe that the Bible is anything more than mythology and try ?to impose >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> their >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> beliefs on me ?using the Bible as evidence. >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> How can someone impose a belief on you? ?Just believe whatever you want to >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> believe. >> >> >>>>>>>>>> The wrong part is when people attempt to use the myth to formulate >> >> >>>>>>>>>> public policy or indoctrinate children or inform foreign policy. >> >> >>>>>>>>> Well, actually they use fables. ?The apostles Paul said they would be >> >> >>>>>>>>> turned to fables in the last days. ?A fable is a story about animals >> >> >>>>>>>>> like the story about monkeys turning into humans. >> >> >>>>>>>> Wow, you're ignorant about evolution. Colour me surprised. >> >> >>>>>>> In what way am I ignorant about evolution? >> >> >>>>>> Monkeys and humans do share a common ancestor. Your denial of the fact >> >> >>>>>> does not change that fact.- Hide quoted text - >> >> >>>>>> - Show quoted text - >> >> >>>>> Charles Darwin was not my ancestor. >> >> >>>> So? >> >> >>>> Evolution happens. Learn to deal with reality.- Hide quoted text - >> >> >>>> - Show quoted text - >> >> >>> I never have believed in evolution. ?I think it is a fable, just as >> >> >>> Paul said it was. >> >> >> Paul knew nothing about it. You mock the Bible with such silly >> >> >> interpretations of it.- Hide quoted text - >> >> >> >> - Show quoted text - >> >> >> > I just believe what Paul said. ?You seem a little upset that I do not >> >> > believe your fable. >> >> >> Can you please identify what he said about it? Please?- Hide quoted text - >> >> >> - Show quoted text - >> >> >2 Tim 4:3 ?For the time will come when they will not endure sound >> >doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves >> >teachers, having itching ears; >> >4 ? And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be >> >turned unto fables. >> >> As you _know_, this says nothing about evolution. I've see >> three-year-olds who can tell more convincing lies than you do.- Hide quoted text - >> >> - Show quoted text - > >Well, I think we should just wait until after the resurrection and ask >Paul if he was talking about evolution. >Robert B. Winn Why do you avoid the question? I might as well say that we should wait until Ragnarok to find out if you are Loki.
From: Free Lunch on 2 Jul 2008 19:02
On Tue, 1 Jul 2008 22:12:42 -0700 (PDT), in alt.atheism rbwinn <rbwinn3(a)juno.com> wrote in <36321999-e6aa-4a55-a3a8-0bbda160a63b(a)x41g2000hsb.googlegroups.com>: >On Jul 1, 5:04?pm, Free Lunch <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote: >> On Tue, 1 Jul 2008 00:18:41 -0700 (PDT), in alt.atheism >> rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote in >> <d3304d52-69f8-4f5b-8d69-2f5ce05a9...(a)z66g2000hsc.googlegroups.com>: >> >> >> >> >> >> >On Jun 30, 4:00?pm, Free Lunch <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote: >> >> On Mon, 30 Jun 2008 12:26:07 -0700 (PDT), in alt.atheism >> >> rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote in >> >> <b804ab27-a92f-4ef2-a69c-54dd80028...(a)j33g2000pri.googlegroups.com>: >> >> >> >On Jun 30, 12:25?am, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: >> >> >> Free Lunch wrote: >> >> >> > On Sun, 29 Jun 2008 15:15:20 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> >> >> >> > wrote in alt.atheism: >> >> >> >> >> On Jun 28, 6:06?pm, Free Lunch <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote: >> >> >> >>> On Sat, 28 Jun 2008 17:26:59 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> >> >> >> >>> wrote in alt.atheism: >> >> >> >> >>>> On Jun 28, 12:50?pm, Free Lunch <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote: >> >> >> >>>>> On Sat, 28 Jun 2008 12:11:54 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> >> >> >> >>>>> wrote in alt.atheism: >> >> >> >>>>>> On Jun 28, 7:17?am, Free Lunch <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote: >> >> >> >>>>>>> On Sat, 28 Jun 2008 07:05:42 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> >> >> >> >>>>>>> wrote in alt.atheism: >> >> >> >>>>>>>> On Jun 28, 12:26?am, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> On Jun 27, 6:42?pm, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> Jack wrote: >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> I am upset by *people* who >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> believe that the Bible is anything more than mythology and try ?to impose >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> their >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> beliefs on me ?using the Bible as evidence. >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> How can someone impose a belief on you? ?Just believe whatever you want to >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> believe. >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> The wrong part is when people attempt to use the myth to formulate >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> public policy or indoctrinate children or inform foreign policy. >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> Well, actually they use fables. ?The apostles Paul said they would be >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> turned to fables in the last days. ?A fable is a story about animals >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> like the story about monkeys turning into humans. >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> Wow, you're ignorant about evolution. Colour me surprised. >> >> >> >>>>>>>> In what way am I ignorant about evolution? >> >> >> >>>>>>> Monkeys and humans do share a common ancestor. Your denial of the fact >> >> >> >>>>>>> does not change that fact.- Hide quoted text - >> >> >> >>>>>>> - Show quoted text - >> >> >> >>>>>> Charles Darwin was not my ancestor. >> >> >> >>>>> So? >> >> >> >>>>> Evolution happens. Learn to deal with reality.- Hide quoted text - >> >> >> >>>>> - Show quoted text - >> >> >> >>>> I never have believed in evolution. ?I think it is a fable, just as >> >> >> >>>> Paul said it was. >> >> >> >>> Paul knew nothing about it. You mock the Bible with such silly >> >> >> >>> interpretations of it.- Hide quoted text - >> >> >> >> >>> - Show quoted text - >> >> >> >> I just believe what Paul said. ?You seem a little upset that I do not >> >> >> >> believe your fable. >> >> >> >> > Your problem is that you _lied_ about what Paul said. He _never_ said >> >> >> > that evolution was a fable. That was the lie you told, one you cannot >> >> >> > back up with _anything_ in the Bible, not from Paul, not from anywhere. >> >> >> >> It's gotta be tough to keep 'em all in a row this far down the road!- Hide quoted text - >> >> >> >> - Show quoted text - >> >> >> >Well, if Paul had named Charles Darwin by name, atheists would claim >> >> >he was not talking about evolution. >> >> >> You know you lied to us, but you are trying to run away from your >> >> behavior when you were caught.- Hide quoted text - >> >> >> - Show quoted text - >> >> >Sorry, I believe Paul, not your fable. >> >Robert B. Winn >> >> More lies from you.- Hide quoted text - >> >> - Show quoted text - > >No, I really do believe Paul. I think he had it exactly right. So, he made claims that are contrary to reality, and you buy his BS rather than reality. You are delusional. |