Does God need to prove He exists?
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From: BuddyThunder on 2 Jul 2008 03:10 rbwinn wrote: > On Jul 1, 1:15 pm, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: >> rbwinn wrote: >>> On Jul 1, 12:34 am, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: >>>> rbwinn wrote: >>>>> On Jun 30, 12:25 am, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: >>>>>> rbwinn wrote: >>>>>>> On Jun 28, 6:06�pm, Free Lunch <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote: >>>>>>>> On Sat, 28 Jun 2008 17:26:59 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> >>>>>>>> wrote in alt.atheism: >>>>>>>>> On Jun 28, 12:50?pm, Free Lunch <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 28 Jun 2008 12:11:54 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> >>>>>>>>>> wrote in alt.atheism: >>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 28, 7:17?am, Free Lunch <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 28 Jun 2008 07:05:42 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> >>>>>>>>>>>> wrote in alt.atheism: >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 28, 12:26?am, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 27, 6:42?pm, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jack wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I am upset by *people* who >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> believe that the Bible is anything more than mythology and try ?to impose >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> their >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> beliefs on me ?using the Bible as evidence. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> How can someone impose a belief on you? ?Just believe whatever you want to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> believe. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The wrong part is when people attempt to use the myth to formulate >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> public policy or indoctrinate children or inform foreign policy. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Well, actually they use fables. ?The apostles Paul said they would be >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> turned to fables in the last days. ?A fable is a story about animals >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> like the story about monkeys turning into humans. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Wow, you're ignorant about evolution. Colour me surprised. >>>>>>>>>>>>> In what way am I ignorant about evolution? >>>>>>>>>>>> Monkeys and humans do share a common ancestor. Your denial of the fact >>>>>>>>>>>> does not change that fact.- Hide quoted text - >>>>>>>>>>>> - Show quoted text - >>>>>>>>>>> Charles Darwin was not my ancestor. >>>>>>>>>> So? >>>>>>>>>> Evolution happens. Learn to deal with reality.- Hide quoted text - >>>>>>>>>> - Show quoted text - >>>>>>>>> I never have believed in evolution. �I think it is a fable, just as >>>>>>>>> Paul said it was. >>>>>>>> Paul knew nothing about it. You mock the Bible with such silly >>>>>>>> interpretations of it.- Hide quoted text - >>>>>>>> - Show quoted text - >>>>>>> I just believe what Paul said. You seem a little upset that I do not >>>>>>> believe your fable. >>>>>> Can you please identify what he said about it? Please?- Hide quoted text - >>>>>> - Show quoted text - >>>>> 2 Tim 4:3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound >>>>> doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves >>>>> teachers, having itching ears; >>>>> 4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be >>>>> turned unto fables. >>>> I can't see any mention of evolution. I can't even see any description >>>> of the theory, or even a theistic strawman description. Can you help me >>>> out? You made a claim that seems difficult to substantiate.- Hide quoted text - >>>> - Show quoted text - >>> Certainly. This is easy to resolve. Just wait until after the >>> resurrection, and ask Paul in person what he was writing about. >> As has been said: silly troll.- Hide quoted text - >> >> - Show quoted text - > > Well, I do not know why that would not be acceptable to you, but it > seems to me it would resolve the issue. Hello? ... Hello? Paul? ..... hel-lo? .........
From: Dogmantic Pyrrhonist (AKA Al) on 2 Jul 2008 03:13 On Jul 2, 3:34 pm, rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote: > On Jul 1, 6:43 pm, "Dogmantic Pyrrhonist (AKA Al)" > > > > <alwh...(a)optusnet.com.au> wrote: > > On Jul 2, 11:27 am, rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote: > > > > On Jul 1, 1:14 pm, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: > > > > > rbwinn wrote: > > > > > On Jul 1, 12:34 am, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: > > > > >> rbwinn wrote: > > > > >>> On Jun 30, 12:25 am, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: > > > > >>>> rbwinn wrote: > > > > >>>>> On Jun 28, 6:06�pm, Free Lunch <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote: > > > > >>>>>> On Sat, 28 Jun 2008 17:26:59 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> > > > > >>>>>> wrote in alt.atheism: > > > > >>>>>>> On Jun 28, 12:50?pm, Free Lunch <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote: > > > > >>>>>>>> On Sat, 28 Jun 2008 12:11:54 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> > > > > >>>>>>>> wrote in alt.atheism: > > > > >>>>>>>>> On Jun 28, 7:17?am, Free Lunch <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote: > > > > >>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 28 Jun 2008 07:05:42 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi....(a)juno.com> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> wrote in alt.atheism: > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 28, 12:26?am, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 27, 6:42?pm, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net..nz> wrote: > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jack wrote: > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I am upset by *people* who > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> believe that the Bible is anything more than mythology and try ?to impose > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> their > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> beliefs on me ?using the Bible as evidence. > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> How can someone impose a belief on you? ?Just believe whatever you want to > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> believe. > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> The wrong part is when people attempt to use the myth to formulate > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> public policy or indoctrinate children or inform foreign policy. > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Well, actually they use fables. ?The apostles Paul said they would be > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> turned to fables in the last days. ?A fable is a story about animals > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> like the story about monkeys turning into humans. > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> Wow, you're ignorant about evolution. Colour me surprised. > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> In what way am I ignorant about evolution? > > > > >>>>>>>>>> Monkeys and humans do share a common ancestor. Your denial of the fact > > > > >>>>>>>>>> does not change that fact.- Hide quoted text - > > > > >>>>>>>>>> - Show quoted text - > > > > >>>>>>>>> Charles Darwin was not my ancestor. > > > > >>>>>>>> So? > > > > >>>>>>>> Evolution happens. Learn to deal with reality.- Hide quoted text - > > > > >>>>>>>> - Show quoted text - > > > > >>>>>>> I never have believed in evolution. �I think it is a fable, just as > > > > >>>>>>> Paul said it was. > > > > >>>>>> Paul knew nothing about it. You mock the Bible with such silly > > > > >>>>>> interpretations of it.- Hide quoted text - > > > > >>>>>> - Show quoted text - > > > > >>>>> I just believe what Paul said. You seem a little upset that I do not > > > > >>>>> believe your fable. > > > > >>>> Can you please identify what he said about it? Please?- Hide quoted text - > > > > >>>> - Show quoted text - > > > > >>> 2 Tim 4:3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound > > > > >>> doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves > > > > >>> teachers, having itching ears; > > > > >>> 4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be > > > > >>> turned unto fables. > > > > >> I can't see any mention of evolution. I can't even see any description > > > > >> of the theory, or even a theistic strawman description. Can you help me > > > > >> out? You made a claim that seems difficult to substantiate.- Hide quoted text - > > > > > >> - Show quoted text - > > > > > > Well, I think we are getting into subject matter that is too difficult > > > > > for you. Maybe we should go back to Hezekiah's tunnel. > > > > > I'm not struggling, maybe you could point out the verse where evolution > > > > is singled out. Maybe he's talking about the germ theory of disease.. I'm > > > > sure you believe that demons are behind illness, rather than pathogens.- Hide quoted text - > > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > > Well, Paul said that in the last days, men would be turned to fables > > > to explain things. So today we see science explaining most things by > > > fables. > > > Robert B. Winn > > > Please explain how "evolution" counts as a fable? And we'll show you > > how you understanding of evolution is horribly wrong. > > > Al- Hide quoted text - > > > - Show quoted text - > > Well, as Paul pointed out, in the last days men would be unable to > endure sound doctrine and would devise a fable to try to explain the > existence of mankind without a God. > Robert B. Winn That doesn't relate evolution to a fable. Do you ever answer a question that isn't just from your own imagination? Al
From: BuddyThunder on 2 Jul 2008 03:14 rbwinn wrote: > On Jul 1, 1:04 am, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: >> rbwinn wrote: >>> On Jun 30, 12:55 am, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: >>>> rbwinn wrote: >>>>> On Jun 29, 1:56�pm, The Natural Philosopher <a...(a)b.c> wrote: >>>>>> rbwinn wrote: >>>>>>> Well, they do now that I have brought up the subject of Hezekiah's >>>>>>> tunnel and the earthen ramp, which can both be seen today. �Before >>>>>>> that, they were saying there was nothing in the Bible that was not >>>>>>> mythology and nothing in the Bible that could be proven. �Atheists say >>>>>>> whatever they think will fly. �It just so happened that I knew about >>>>>>> Hezekiah's tunnel, so what they usually say was not sufficient for >>>>>>> this conversation. �So now they are saying that the Bible has some >>>>>>> history in it, but they are not happy about having to say that. �They >>>>>>> would rather be saying what they said when this conversation started, >>>>>>> that the Bible is nothing but mythology. >>>>>>> Robert B. Winn >>>>>> If you are as wrong about what is in the bible as you are about what >>>>>> people you have never apparently et think about it..God help you. ;-) >>>>> I have read the Bible a couple of times. What other people think >>>>> about it is up to them. Where they make their mistake is when they >>>>> think they are going to tell me what I think about it. >>>> Another baseless accusation. You're the one with the strawman opinion of >>>> atheists. You're totally free to believe whatever magical nonsense you >>>> want, just don't expect anyone to accept it without rational basis. Your >>>> thoughts, such as they are, are totally your own. >>>> See how nice and tollerant us atheists are? :-)- Hide quoted text - >>>> - Show quoted text - >>> No. All you are doing is mimicking me. If I had not said you were >>> free to believe what you want, you never would have said it. >> Utter nonsense. Don't presume to tell me what I think, it's very rude. >> >> I believe very strongly in freedom of religion, including (as it must) >> freedom FROM religion. Your lies about me won't change that.- Hide quoted text - >> >> - Show quoted text - > > So why are atheists in sci.physics trying to convert Christians to > atheism? I simply value truth. People make serious decisions on the flimsiest of beliefs, that's a recipe for trouble.
From: Daniel Mandic on 2 Jul 2008 03:17 raven1 wrote: > What part of this do you not understand? I have no problem accepting > the existence of a particular tunnel described in the Bible, if it is > backed by evidence, ahh what could you tell about the end of human life... Can you tell me a tiny piece or shred of the time before you!??? Just a sec.! You do not even know what you have done the first 3-5 Years after your start of living ;-), eh? Best regards, Daniel Mandic
From: Daniel Mandic on 2 Jul 2008 03:19
Free Lunch wrote: > When did Mr. Winn start to seek the truth? All he does is sell lies, > he has never shown any interest in learning anything. It seems you have experience with that ;-) -- |