Does God need to prove He exists?
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From: BuddyThunder on 2 Jul 2008 03:44 rbwinn wrote: > On Jul 1, 7:08�pm, Free Lunch <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote: >> On Tue, 1 Jul 2008 18:14:36 -0700 (PDT), in alt.atheism >> rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote in >> <f9708904-6500-4209-b487-ab99be5d1...(a)r66g2000hsg.googlegroups.com>: >> >> >> >> >> >>> On Jul 1, 1:07?pm, raven1 <quoththera...(a)nevermore.com> wrote: >>>> On Tue, 1 Jul 2008 00:17:22 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> >>>> wrote: >>>>> On Jun 30, 3:58?pm, raven1 <quoththera...(a)nevermore.com> wrote: >>>>>> On Mon, 30 Jun 2008 00:06:02 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> On Jun 29, 4:12?pm, Free Lunch <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote: >>>>>>>> On Sun, 29 Jun 2008 15:23:58 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> >>>>>>>> wrote in alt.atheism: >>>>>>>>> On Jun 29, 7:07?am, Free Lunch <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 29 Jun 2008 07:06:07 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> >>>>>>>>>> wrote in alt.atheism: >>>>>>>> ... >>>>>>>>>>> I did not lie. ?There actually is a conduit for water between Gihon >>>>>>>>>>> spring and the pool of Siloam. >>>>>>>>>> And, as you know, that is not the lie I have pointed out to you. You lie >>>>>>>>>> here by falsely and intentionally trying to distract us from the lie >>>>>>>>>> under discussion. You know that no one imposes abortion in the United >>>>>>>>>> States. That is another in a long line of lies that you refuse to repent >>>>>>>>>> of.- Hide quoted text - >>>>>>>>>> - Show quoted text - >>>>>>>>> The Supreme Court and other atheists imposed abortion on the United >>>>>>>>> States. >>>>>>>> Abortion is not imposed. You know that. No one is ever forced to have an >>>>>>>> abortion by our government. Stop lying to us. >>>>>>> Women have been forced to have abortions in order to get welfare >>>>>>> assistance. >>>>>> Bullshit. Citation, please. >>>>> And our government still recognizes our right to trial by jury, >>>>> right? >>>> Nice attempt at distraction, but completely irrelevant. This has >>>> absolutely nothing to do with women being forced to have abortions in >>>> order to get welfare assistance. Which is still a completely bogus >>>> claim on your part. >>>>> How gullible do you think I am about "our government"? ?Or >>>>> maybe you are just including atheists when you say "our government". >>>> I didn't say you were gullible, I said you were lying. Your pathetic >>>> attempt to change the subject, rather than support your claim, just >>>> confirms my assessment.- Hide quoted text - >>>> - Show quoted text - >>> I personally know one woman who was subjected to governmental >>> reproduction control. >> Back up your defamatory claim with some evidence.- Hide quoted text - >> >> - Show quoted text - > > Why? Am I supposed to care whether you believe what I say? Why bother talking at all then? You know that no-one will listen without you backing up your claims.
From: BuddyThunder on 2 Jul 2008 03:45 rbwinn wrote: > On Jul 1, 5:00�pm, Free Lunch <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote: >> On Tue, 1 Jul 2008 07:27:47 -0700 (PDT), in alt.atheism >> rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote in >> <6ec0a32a-3255-47d6-b573-5ace27ba6...(a)26g2000hsk.googlegroups.com>:>On Jul 1, 12:29�am, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: >>>> rbwinn wrote: >> ... >> >>>>> No, you didn't. �I told you from the beginning that I was a Vietnam >>>>> veteran. >>>> Did you? I don't remember it. >>>> Your record of lying has not served you well, it was an honestly-held >>>> suspicion. I have been corrected. See how easy it is to admit that I was >>>> wrong? >>> How do you know I was telling the truth about being a Vietnam >>> veteran? �Do you see how you are getting onto shaky ground here? >> We don't. We also know that you lie to us all the time. Still, it >> doesn't matter in this discussion whether you have lied to us about your >> service in Vietnam or not. Do you have PTSD? > > What they accused me of was paranoid schizophrenia. At the time I did > not pay much attention to it until they started to try to kill me with > tranquilizers. The reason why I still talk to atheists is because > they act exactly like people who work in psychiatry. > They are people who hate me for no reason at all. That is behavior > that seems very strange to me. I don't hate you at all, I just vigourously disagree with you. Actually, I don't even understand you.
From: BuddyThunder on 2 Jul 2008 03:50 rbwinn wrote: > On Jul 1, 6:43 pm, "Dogmantic Pyrrhonist (AKA Al)" > <alwh...(a)optusnet.com.au> wrote: >> On Jul 2, 11:27 am, rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >>> On Jul 1, 1:14 pm, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: >>>> rbwinn wrote: >>>>> On Jul 1, 12:34 am, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: >>>>>> rbwinn wrote: >>>>>>> On Jun 30, 12:25 am, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: >>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: >>>>>>>>> On Jun 28, 6:06�pm, Free Lunch <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 28 Jun 2008 17:26:59 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> >>>>>>>>>> wrote in alt.atheism: >>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 28, 12:50?pm, Free Lunch <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 28 Jun 2008 12:11:54 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> >>>>>>>>>>>> wrote in alt.atheism: >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 28, 7:17?am, Free Lunch <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 28 Jun 2008 07:05:42 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote in alt.atheism: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 28, 12:26?am, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 27, 6:42?pm, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jack wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I am upset by *people* who >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> believe that the Bible is anything more than mythology and try ?to impose >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> their >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> beliefs on me ?using the Bible as evidence. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> How can someone impose a belief on you? ?Just believe whatever you want to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> believe. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The wrong part is when people attempt to use the myth to formulate >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> public policy or indoctrinate children or inform foreign policy. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Well, actually they use fables. ?The apostles Paul said they would be >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> turned to fables in the last days. ?A fable is a story about animals >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> like the story about monkeys turning into humans. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Wow, you're ignorant about evolution. Colour me surprised. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In what way am I ignorant about evolution? >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Monkeys and humans do share a common ancestor. Your denial of the fact >>>>>>>>>>>>>> does not change that fact.- Hide quoted text - >>>>>>>>>>>>>> - Show quoted text - >>>>>>>>>>>>> Charles Darwin was not my ancestor. >>>>>>>>>>>> So? >>>>>>>>>>>> Evolution happens. Learn to deal with reality.- Hide quoted text - >>>>>>>>>>>> - Show quoted text - >>>>>>>>>>> I never have believed in evolution. �I think it is a fable, just as >>>>>>>>>>> Paul said it was. >>>>>>>>>> Paul knew nothing about it. You mock the Bible with such silly >>>>>>>>>> interpretations of it.- Hide quoted text - >>>>>>>>>> - Show quoted text - >>>>>>>>> I just believe what Paul said. You seem a little upset that I do not >>>>>>>>> believe your fable. >>>>>>>> Can you please identify what he said about it? Please?- Hide quoted text - >>>>>>>> - Show quoted text - >>>>>>> 2 Tim 4:3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound >>>>>>> doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves >>>>>>> teachers, having itching ears; >>>>>>> 4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be >>>>>>> turned unto fables. >>>>>> I can't see any mention of evolution. I can't even see any description >>>>>> of the theory, or even a theistic strawman description. Can you help me >>>>>> out? You made a claim that seems difficult to substantiate.- Hide quoted text - >>>>>> - Show quoted text - >>>>> Well, I think we are getting into subject matter that is too difficult >>>>> for you. Maybe we should go back to Hezekiah's tunnel. >>>> I'm not struggling, maybe you could point out the verse where evolution >>>> is singled out. Maybe he's talking about the germ theory of disease. I'm >>>> sure you believe that demons are behind illness, rather than pathogens.- Hide quoted text - >>>> - Show quoted text - >>> Well, Paul said that in the last days, men would be turned to fables >>> to explain things. So today we see science explaining most things by >>> fables. >>> Robert B. Winn >> Please explain how "evolution" counts as a fable? And we'll show you >> how you understanding of evolution is horribly wrong. >> >> Al- Hide quoted text - >> >> - Show quoted text - > > Well, as Paul pointed out, in the last days men would be unable to > endure sound doctrine and would devise a fable to try to explain the > existence of mankind without a God. That's such a reassuringly reinforcing doctrine, ain't it?! A great way of ensuring that the meme endures. "They said you'd say that!!"
From: Daniel Mandic on 2 Jul 2008 06:30 rbwinn wrote: > Well, I think that is exactly right. Atheists accuse anyone who > disagrees with their atheistic doctrines of lying. > Robert B. Winn ;) --
From: Daniel Mandic on 2 Jul 2008 06:32
Dogmantic Pyrrhonist (AKA Al) wrote: > All anyone needs to do to verify your untruthfulness is to scroll back > through the posts, often included in your own, that show what the > other person actually said. > > Al Scroll back?? How that? I am already scrolling your blatant (unnecessary, we live in 2008, why should I need the whole thread in any reply, even in the 100th) mega-replies.... Cut 'em a bit down.... Hippies! Best regards, Daniel Mandic |