Does God need to prove He exists?
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From: BuddyThunder on 2 Jul 2008 17:29 rbwinn wrote: > On Jul 2, 12:09 am, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: >> rbwinn wrote: >>> On Jul 1, 1:14 pm, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: >>>> rbwinn wrote: >>>>> On Jul 1, 12:34 am, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: >>>>>> rbwinn wrote: >>>>>>> On Jun 30, 12:25 am, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: >>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: >>>>>>>>> On Jun 28, 6:06�pm, Free Lunch <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 28 Jun 2008 17:26:59 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> >>>>>>>>>> wrote in alt.atheism: >>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 28, 12:50?pm, Free Lunch <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 28 Jun 2008 12:11:54 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> >>>>>>>>>>>> wrote in alt.atheism: >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 28, 7:17?am, Free Lunch <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 28 Jun 2008 07:05:42 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote in alt.atheism: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 28, 12:26?am, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 27, 6:42?pm, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jack wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I am upset by *people* who >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> believe that the Bible is anything more than mythology and try ?to impose >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> their >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> beliefs on me ?using the Bible as evidence. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> How can someone impose a belief on you? ?Just believe whatever you want to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> believe. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The wrong part is when people attempt to use the myth to formulate >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> public policy or indoctrinate children or inform foreign policy. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Well, actually they use fables. ?The apostles Paul said they would be >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> turned to fables in the last days. ?A fable is a story about animals >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> like the story about monkeys turning into humans. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Wow, you're ignorant about evolution. Colour me surprised. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In what way am I ignorant about evolution? >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Monkeys and humans do share a common ancestor. Your denial of the fact >>>>>>>>>>>>>> does not change that fact.- Hide quoted text - >>>>>>>>>>>>>> - Show quoted text - >>>>>>>>>>>>> Charles Darwin was not my ancestor. >>>>>>>>>>>> So? >>>>>>>>>>>> Evolution happens. Learn to deal with reality.- Hide quoted text - >>>>>>>>>>>> - Show quoted text - >>>>>>>>>>> I never have believed in evolution. �I think it is a fable, just as >>>>>>>>>>> Paul said it was. >>>>>>>>>> Paul knew nothing about it. You mock the Bible with such silly >>>>>>>>>> interpretations of it.- Hide quoted text - >>>>>>>>>> - Show quoted text - >>>>>>>>> I just believe what Paul said. You seem a little upset that I do not >>>>>>>>> believe your fable. >>>>>>>> Can you please identify what he said about it? Please?- Hide quoted text - >>>>>>>> - Show quoted text - >>>>>>> 2 Tim 4:3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound >>>>>>> doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves >>>>>>> teachers, having itching ears; >>>>>>> 4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be >>>>>>> turned unto fables. >>>>>> I can't see any mention of evolution. I can't even see any description >>>>>> of the theory, or even a theistic strawman description. Can you help me >>>>>> out? You made a claim that seems difficult to substantiate.- Hide quoted text - >>>>>> - Show quoted text - >>>>> Well, I think we are getting into subject matter that is too difficult >>>>> for you. Maybe we should go back to Hezekiah's tunnel. >>>> I'm not struggling, maybe you could point out the verse where evolution >>>> is singled out. Maybe he's talking about the germ theory of disease. I'm >>>> sure you believe that demons are behind illness, rather than pathogens.- Hide quoted text - >>>> - Show quoted text - >>> Well, Paul said that in the last days, men would be turned to fables >>> to explain things. So today we see science explaining most things by >>> fables. >> Ah, so you were telling another lie. No explicit mention of evolution. >> I'm sorry for you that science is making your religion more difficult to >> square with reality. It must be uncomfortable.- Hide quoted text - >> >> - Show quoted text - > > Well, Hezekiah was probably uncomfortable when the sundial went > backward ten degrees, but he was the one who requested it. Actually, > science today would have an explanation for this that would satisfy > everyone, which is that Hezekiah was hallucinating, but on the other > hand, having studied relativity of time, I would have to say that > Hezekiah's interpretation of time on that particular day was just as > valid as anyone else's and better suited to his own personal needs. > So that sort of thing does not bother me in the least. Could I at least get an admission that Paul never actually mentioned evolution as you claimed? The more likely scenario is that it never happened at all. There is no evidence to suggest it did (as something like that would have widespread effects that would likely be documented elsewhere). The only account we have is from a religious text of dubious authority, correct?
From: BuddyThunder on 2 Jul 2008 17:30 Alex W. wrote: > "BuddyThunder" <nospam(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote in message > news:486b29ee$1(a)clear.net.nz... > > >> Hello? ... Hello? Paul? ..... hel-lo? ......... > > Yes, Ringo, what is it? BAAHAHA!! Nice. It's the only answer I'll get, I reckon!
From: BuddyThunder on 2 Jul 2008 17:31 rbwinn wrote: > On Jul 2, 12:10 am, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: >> rbwinn wrote: >>> On Jul 1, 1:15 pm, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: >>>> rbwinn wrote: >>>>> On Jul 1, 12:34 am, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: >>>>>> rbwinn wrote: >>>>>>> On Jun 30, 12:25 am, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: >>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: >>>>>>>>> On Jun 28, 6:06�pm, Free Lunch <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 28 Jun 2008 17:26:59 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> >>>>>>>>>> wrote in alt.atheism: >>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 28, 12:50?pm, Free Lunch <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 28 Jun 2008 12:11:54 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> >>>>>>>>>>>> wrote in alt.atheism: >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 28, 7:17?am, Free Lunch <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 28 Jun 2008 07:05:42 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote in alt.atheism: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 28, 12:26?am, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 27, 6:42?pm, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jack wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I am upset by *people* who >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> believe that the Bible is anything more than mythology and try ?to impose >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> their >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> beliefs on me ?using the Bible as evidence. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> How can someone impose a belief on you? ?Just believe whatever you want to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> believe. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The wrong part is when people attempt to use the myth to formulate >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> public policy or indoctrinate children or inform foreign policy. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Well, actually they use fables. ?The apostles Paul said they would be >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> turned to fables in the last days. ?A fable is a story about animals >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> like the story about monkeys turning into humans. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Wow, you're ignorant about evolution. Colour me surprised. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In what way am I ignorant about evolution? >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Monkeys and humans do share a common ancestor. Your denial of the fact >>>>>>>>>>>>>> does not change that fact.- Hide quoted text - >>>>>>>>>>>>>> - Show quoted text - >>>>>>>>>>>>> Charles Darwin was not my ancestor. >>>>>>>>>>>> So? >>>>>>>>>>>> Evolution happens. Learn to deal with reality.- Hide quoted text - >>>>>>>>>>>> - Show quoted text - >>>>>>>>>>> I never have believed in evolution. �I think it is a fable, just as >>>>>>>>>>> Paul said it was. >>>>>>>>>> Paul knew nothing about it. You mock the Bible with such silly >>>>>>>>>> interpretations of it.- Hide quoted text - >>>>>>>>>> - Show quoted text - >>>>>>>>> I just believe what Paul said. You seem a little upset that I do not >>>>>>>>> believe your fable. >>>>>>>> Can you please identify what he said about it? Please?- Hide quoted text - >>>>>>>> - Show quoted text - >>>>>>> 2 Tim 4:3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound >>>>>>> doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves >>>>>>> teachers, having itching ears; >>>>>>> 4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be >>>>>>> turned unto fables. >>>>>> I can't see any mention of evolution. I can't even see any description >>>>>> of the theory, or even a theistic strawman description. Can you help me >>>>>> out? You made a claim that seems difficult to substantiate.- Hide quoted text - >>>>>> - Show quoted text - >>>>> Certainly. This is easy to resolve. Just wait until after the >>>>> resurrection, and ask Paul in person what he was writing about. >>>> As has been said: silly troll.- Hide quoted text - >>>> - Show quoted text - >>> Well, I do not know why that would not be acceptable to you, but it >>> seems to me it would resolve the issue. >> Hello? ... Hello? Paul? ..... hel-lo? .........- Hide quoted text - >> >> - Show quoted text - > > Your faith seems a little weak. I have no need of faith, I can use reason. Your faith seems irrationally strong.
From: BuddyThunder on 2 Jul 2008 17:34 Daniel Mandic wrote: > rbwinn wrote: > >> I think you have a unrealistic idea of what goes on in the mental >> health system. >> Robert B. Winn > > Forget them.... they live in fear. > > Just read what they write (amazing). Tsk... > > > > Best regards, > > Daniel Mandic > > P.S.: Calling someone brain-disorders or even brain-ill, is a result > (have its source) by an already brain-ill soul (person). > AFAIK, they (psycho doctors and their partners) take meds which > protects (blocks) the heart, letting in the soul.... the two seats of > the soul, brain and heart, heart and brain.... What's a soul? There's no such thing, it's makebelieve to get kids to play nice. The heart is a blood pump and not that involved in mental health. That's my current knowledge, any reason to challenge it?
From: BuddyThunder on 2 Jul 2008 18:25
rbwinn wrote: > On Jul 2, 12:54 pm, "Steve O" <nospamh...(a)thanks.com> wrote: >> "rbwinn" <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote in message >> >> news:0654196a-182b-4495-9322-a7e488df4f01(a)56g2000hsm.googlegroups.com... >> >> >> >> >> >>> On Jul 1, 1:04 pm, "Steve O" <nospamh...(a)thanks.com> wrote: >>>> "rbwinn" <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote in message >>>> news:13339a2a-8599-41b2-ac22-cb13fde245ce(a)l42g2000hsc.googlegroups.com... >>>>> On Jul 1, 3:58 am, "Steve O" <nospamh...(a)thanks.com> wrote: >>>>>> "rbwinn" <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote in message >>>>>> news:12bd9c5a-fc7c-437c-862b-33e48b270a59(a)m3g2000hsc.googlegroups.com... >>>>>>> On Jun 30, 6:37 pm, "Steve O" <nospamh...(a)thanks.com> wrote: >>>>>>>> "rbwinn" <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote in message >>>>>>>> news:6b4ffde3-6dd2-42e1-ae8b-31dca39a4aee(a)f24g2000prh.googlegroups.com... >>>>>>>>> On Jun 30, 1:03 pm, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 29, 11:50 pm, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> >>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 29, 10:57�am, "Alex W." <ing...(a)yahoo.co.uk> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> "rbwinn" <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote in message >>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:1c31d316-2b91-43f6-b6c0-3fb4dbf97774(a)z72g2000hsb.googlegroups.com... >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 29, 12:13 am, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 28, 2:15 pm, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 28, 7:04?am, Free Lunch <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 28 Jun 2008 07:01:05 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <rbwi...(a)juno.com> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote in alt.atheism: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 28, 12:21?am, BuddyThunder >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No, you were trying to hedge your bets. ?You do not >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> believe >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> faith, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> but you are "on the edge of faith", so that counts >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> case >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> need to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have faith. ?I know how atheists think. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Why would I need to hedge my bets? I believe in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> faith, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> just >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> don't >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> think it's rational. And believe me, you really >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *don't* >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> know >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> how >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> atheists think.- Hide quoted text - >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - Show quoted text - >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I know far better than atheists how they think. ?They >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> made a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrong choice, so their options are limited. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Your lies are indefensible. You celebrate the evil >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fallen >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> into. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I thought you atheists did not believe evil exists. If >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> there >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> no >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> devil, everything is good, isn't it? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Evil sounds like a religious concept to me, but why >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> would >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> think >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> we can't differentiate right from wrong. Another >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> strawman? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We seem to be able to discuss without lying, can you?- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hide >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> quoted >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> text - >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - Show quoted text - >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sure. A while back you were saying that there was nothing >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrong >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> killing children before they are born. So are you saying >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> killing >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> children before they are born is a good thing? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Where did I say that? Can you show me, or is that another >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> lie? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Abortion >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is deeply unpleasant, however I don't think it should be >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> banned. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> They're >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not children yet, by the way.- Hide quoted text - >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - Show quoted text - >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Not children yet? �What do you think they are? >>>>>>>>>>>>>> =============== >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Technically speaking, they are parasites living off a grown >>>>>>>>>>>>>> female.- >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hide quoted text - >>>>>>>>>>>>>> - Show quoted text - >>>>>>>>>>>>> Well, thank you for your answer, Alex. So human beings are >>>>>>>>>>>>> nothing >>>>>>>>>>>>> except parasites in atheist theology. >>>>>>>>>>>> Read it again, this time trying to understand as you go.- >>>>>>>>>>>> Hide >>>>>>>>>>>> quoted >>>>>>>>>>>> text - >>>>>>>>>>> I understood it exactly the first time I read it. >>>>>>>>>> Then why the misrepresentation of what was said? No implication >>>>>>>>>> was >>>>>>>>>> made >>>>>>>>>> that "human beings are nothing except parasites". You >>>>>>>>>> misunderstood, >>>>>>>>>> or >>>>>>>>>> lied. Which was it?- Hide quoted text - >>>>>>>>>> - Show quoted text - >>>>>>>>> This guy says that a baby in its mother's womb is nothing but a >>>>>>>>> parasite on the mother, and you say, No implication was made that >>>>>>>>> "human beings are nothing except parasites". I believe that if >>>>>>>>> something is a parasite when it is in its mother's womb, then it >>>>>>>>> is >>>>>>>>> a >>>>>>>>> parasite after it leaves its mother's womb. A parasite is never >>>>>>>>> anything except a parasite. >>>>>>>>> Robert B. Winn >>>>>>>> Please try an educate yourself and read up a little on the >>>>>>>> parasitical >>>>>>>> nature of the cytoblast before you really make a fool of yourself. >>>>>>>> Again. >>>>>>> Why would I want to read what some atheist says about a cytoblast? >>>>>>> Robert B. Winn >>>>>> What makes you think that only atheists have studied fetal development >>>>>> or >>>>>> agree with the parasitical nature of the cytoblast? >>>>>> Could it perhaps be your ignorance on the subject? >>>>> The cytoblast is doing exactly what it is supposed to do. That means >>>>> it is not a parasite. >>>>> Robert B. Winn >>>> Parasites do exactly what they are supposed to do, and you think that >>>> means >>>> that they are not parasites? >>>> What a strange fellow you are. >>>> - Show quoted text - >>> Well, I am sorry I said something considered politically incorrect by >>> parasite protection societies. So how are your efforts to save the >>> tapeworm going? >>> Robert B. Winn >> Was that an attempt at humour? >> it's hard to tell with you. >> -- >> Steve O > > I am always dead serious. You can be sure of that. That's the difference between you and Jay Leno, I guess. |