Does God need to prove He exists?
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From: Richard Meredith on 6 Jul 2008 11:25 In article <dv3v641nlblt9lrl26j45pnb5v085e8m9o(a)4ax.com>, lunch(a)nofreelunch.us (Free Lunch) wrote: > >Atheists, theists - what's the difference? They're both equally > dogmatic > >that what they happen to believe is the one and only version of the > truth, > >despite a complete inability to prove it - or even put up a decent > set of > >repeatable and verifiable evidence that supports their position. > > What rubbish. Atheists say they don't believe in gods. The lack of > evidence for gods is sufficient not to believe in them. It is not > necessary for atheists to prove that gods do not exist to not believe > in > them. Do you believe in Thor because you cannot prove he does not > exist? I don't believe in Thor but that doesn't give me any authority to insist on his nonexistence to someone who does: if someone does, or claims to, that's their business and none of mine. The atheists who have the marked similarity to theists are not those who happen not to share the beliefs of the theists, but are content to let them believe whatever they want to, but those who get in longwinded, dogmatic and frequently ill-tempered arguments about who is right, despite neither side having any real evidence either that they are right or that their opponent is wrong.
From: The Natural Philosopher on 6 Jul 2008 14:02 rbwinn wrote: > > > My definition of sin was willful disobedience of God. Bearing false > witness about me would fall under the category of willful disobedience > of God. In that case you are totally guilty of that exact sin. We have already established by your own definitions that you are a sinful person (onkl Jesus is free of sin you said) , and your lack of charity excommnunicates you as a Christian. (you wont talk to God on anyones behalf..) I think you are in deep trouble, dude. > Robert B. Winn
From: The Natural Philosopher on 6 Jul 2008 14:04 Alex W. wrote: > "rbwinn" <rbwinn3(a)juno.com> wrote in message > news:b9d055c5-7a5b-4534-9703-63f1e75e9648(a)56g2000hsm.googlegroups.com... > > > Your spirit is made of spirit. You cannot transplant it. > > ======= > > There is always possession .... > > And actually the one thing we do know about spirit, is that is i NOT limited to an earthly body, so it can move independently of it if it wants. So yet one more lie from robbo.
From: The Natural Philosopher on 6 Jul 2008 14:07 rbwinn wrote: > On Jul 6, 1:01�am, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: >> Smiler wrote: >>> "Free Lunch" <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote in message >>> news:i2nt649tvtdd1sofkag02co4c9n4s1vt6e(a)4ax.com... >>>> On Fri, 4 Jul 2008 19:26:01 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote >>>> in alt.atheism: >>>>> On Jul 4, 8:42?am, Free Lunch <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote: >>>>>> On Fri, 4 Jul 2008 08:28:00 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote >>>>>> in alt.atheism: >>>>>>> On Jul 4, 3:03?am, The Natural Philosopher <a...(a)b.c> wrote: >>>>>>>> Alex W. wrote: >>>>>>>>> "rbwinn" <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote in message >>>>>>>>> news:9fadb87c-6364-49eb-9ca6-c8fd555f6cd3(a)a70g2000hsh.googlegroups.com... >>>>>>>>> On Jul 3, 6:05?am, "Alex W." <ing...(a)yahoo.co.uk> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> "rbwinn" <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote in message >>>>>>>>>> news:f807e4d0-b40f-4cb8-bb4c-12f00021898d(a)34g2000hsh.googlegroups.com... >>>>>>>>>> Well, the scriptures say that the wicked would be more miserable >>>>>>>>>> in >>>>>>>>>> the presence of God than with the devils in hell. >>>>>>>>>> =========== >>>>>>>>>> In other words, since we are all sinful by definition, the smart >>>>>>>>>> choice is >>>>>>>>>> to aim for hell in the first place. ?Nice morality .... >>>>>>>>> No, the smart choice is to repent of sins. ?However, atheists claim >>>>>>>>> that nothing they do is sin, so they are not going to repent. >>>>>>>> Which to me indicates you have no idea what sin, or repentance, is. >>>>>>>>> ========== >>>>>>>>> Sin is a social construct. ?It exists irrespective of the god(s) >>>>>>>>> worshipped >>>>>>>>> ... or not, as the case may be.- Hide quoted text - >>>>>>>> - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - >>>>>>>> - Show quoted text - >>>>>>> Sin is wilful disobedience of God. ?Repentance is confessing and >>>>>>> forsaking sin. >>>>>> As far as we can tell, God is a human invention. God never told us to do >>>>>> anything. Sin, therefore, is also a human invention.- Hide quoted text - >>>>>> - Show quoted text - >>>>> So once an atheist enters into sin, there is no turning back from >>>>> it. � I guess that was why Josef Stalin killed 12 million people. >>>> God is still a human invention. Clearly the fear of God does not stop >>>> you from lying in almost every post. >>>> I will not respond to you for a while, you have become far too nasty in >>>> your discussions here. >>> That's exactly what he wants! >>> If everyone ignored him, he would be free to spread his lies without >>> opposition. >>> The answer is to fight his lies, nastyness and stupidity with the reply it >>> deserves...Ho! <whack>. >> If there's something worth a response, I will respond. If it's nothing >> but silly lies, unevidenced assertions or "atheists are Nazis" nonsense, >> then the whacking will come.- Hide quoted text - >> >> - Show quoted text - > > I believe that atheists are exactly like Nazis. That has been my > experience with them. > Robert B. Winn I believe fundamental christians are just like Nazis. they both know they are justified in anything, because they are completely right (wing?) ..
From: The Natural Philosopher on 6 Jul 2008 14:11
rbwinn wrote: > On Jul 6, 2:46 am, "Steve O" <nospamh...(a)thanks.com> wrote: >> "rbwinn" <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote in message >> >> news:e765a085-e079-4808-aa79-7244fc499d79(a)25g2000hsx.googlegroups.com... >> >> >> >> >> >>> On Jul 5, 3:53�am, "Alex W." <ing...(a)yahoo.co.uk> wrote: >>>> "rbwinn" <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote in message >>>> news:62956527-c824-415d-93ab-cdbf47127a02(a)k30g2000hse.googlegroups.com... >>>> On Jul 4, 9:37 am, "Steve O" <nospamh...(a)thanks.com> wrote: >>>>> For the umpteenth time, we cannot tell Jesus anything. >>>>> If he existed at all, he died nearly 2,000 years ago. >>>>> Apart from an alleged brief visit shortly afterward, he hasn't been >>>>> seen >>>>> since. >>>>> How can we tell him anything, huh? >>>>> - Show quoted text - >>>> Well, it is called prayer. �Christians are commanded to pray. >>>> ==================== >>>> And you're sure your prayer gets through ... even though no-one in the >>>> history of Christian prayer has ever answered. �You know, if I dial a >>>> number >>>> and get no connection, I may try a few more times, but sooner or later I >>>> realise that there's no phone at the other end .... >>> Well, mine get answered. What made you think they were not? >>> Robert B. Winn >> You're confusion in just about everything leads us to that conclusion. >> Ever had a prayer that hasn't been answered?? >> No wait, I get it, you'll probably tell me it has always been answered, but >> not in the way you wanted. >> We hear that all of the time. >> Classic example of self-deception. >> >> -- >> Steve O > > Some people just cannot take no for an answer. Well, we know atheists > have an agenda. we don't. What I cannot personally understand is how atheists > expect to be able to run their agenda on God. It is just not going to > work. The exact meaning of atheism is 'without reference to (a) god'. Christians think that atheists don't believe in God. That's not true. Atheists simply don't use belief at all. God is ignored as being too loose a concept to be of practical value. Atheists do not give a toss about Christians or what they believe except when they insist of injecting their nonsense into other peoples minds. > Robert B. Winn |