Does God need to prove He exists?
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From: BuddyThunder on 28 Jun 2008 17:12 rbwinn wrote: > On Jun 28, 12:19 am, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: >> rbwinn wrote: >>> On Jun 27, 6:38 pm, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: >>>> rbwinn wrote: >>>>> On Jun 22, 12:58 pm, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: >>>>>> rbwinn wrote: >>>>>>> On Jun 21, 5:07 pm, Darrell Stec <darrell_s...(a)webpagesorcery.com> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: >>>>>>>>> On Jun 20, 4:22 pm, Darrell Stec <darrell_s...(a)webpagesorcery.com> >>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 20, 3:35 am, Darrell Stec <darrell_s...(a)webpagesorcery.com> >>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 19, 8:22 am, Darrell Stec <darrell_s...(a)webpagesorcery.com> >>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 18, 3:50 pm, Darrell Stec >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <darrell_s...(a)webpagesorcery.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 18, 10:11�am, Darrell Stec >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <darrell_s...(a)webpagesorcery.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 17, 2:53�am, Darrell Stec >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <darrell_s...(a)webpagesorcery.com> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Well, I analyzed the Bible. �What I find is that God >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> would not want His children to die and just cease to be >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> or to be punished forever, so He sent his Son to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> overcome death. �Because of wickedness, we see today >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that most people will reject God's gift of eternal life. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Robert B. Winn >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Let me ask you a question. �Who would know more about LDS >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> theology, one of the churches twelve apostles, or a Hari >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Krishna monk> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Who do you think would know more about LDS theology? �Why >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> do you ask? Robert B. Winn >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Evasion noted. �Why are you afraid to answer a couple of easy >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> questions? Why do you think I would ask? �Could it be the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> answer might be obvious? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Well, if the answer is obvious, then there was no reason to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ask the question. Go ahead and say whatever you were going to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> say. Robert B. Winn >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Why are you afraid to tell us whether or not one of the 12 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> apostles of the Mormon church would know more about LDS theology >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> than an Hari Krishna monk? What are you afraid of? I know the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> answer, but I don't know if you do and that is why I am asking. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Later, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Darrell Stec dars...(a)neo.rr.com >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Well, why don't you just make up your own mind about that? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Robert B. Winn >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I already have made an informed and knowledgeable opinion. I am >>>>>>>>>>>>>> trying to find out what you believe (asking what you think would be >>>>>>>>>>>>>> unfair because you are shooting without bullets) to be the case. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Why are you afraid to answer the question? Is it because it has >>>>>>>>>>>>>> never been discussed in bible school and you have nothing to copy >>>>>>>>>>>>>> and paste? Go ask your bishop what he thinks, as you allow others >>>>>>>>>>>>>> to think for you until you pull stupid things out of thin air. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>> Well, why don't you ask my bishop yourself? >>>>>>>>>>>> What is his name, email address, physical address and phone number and >>>>>>>>>>>> I will ask him. I'll also send him a list of your more insane >>>>>>>>>>>> postings. >>>>>>>>>>>>> I told you athiests >>>>>>>>>>>>> before that I was not going to be your researcher. >>>>>>>>>>>> What research do you need to do to answer a question as to whether an >>>>>>>>>>>> apostle of your church's council of twelve would know more about LDS >>>>>>>>>>>> philosophy than a Hari Krishna monk? That is a person opinion. Or do >>>>>>>>>>>> you mean that nobody told you what to think in regard to the question >>>>>>>>>>>> so you can't copy and paste it? >>>>>>>>>>>>> If you want to know what I believe,I can give you name to the >>>>>>>>>>>>> missionaries as a referral , and they can tell you what I beleive. >>>>>>>>>>>> Why can't you give us your opinion yourself? Why are you having so >>>>>>>>>>>> many problems answering an easy question? What are you afraid of? >>>>>>>>>>>>> Robert B. Winn >>>>>>>>>>> Well, the General Authorities of our church have counseled us to avoid >>>>>>>>>>> contention with other churches. So if you have some bone to pick with >>>>>>>>>>> the Hare Kirshna church, leave me out of it. >>>>>>>>>>> Robert B. Winn >>>>>>>>>> Why are you avoiding the question? Why is it so difficult for you to >>>>>>>>>> answer the question? It is a simple one. Whom do you think knows more >>>>>>>>>> about LDS theology, one of the twelve apostles making up the council of >>>>>>>>>> the LDS church or a Hari Krishna monk? What are you afraid of. >>>>>>>>>> Certainly there is no injunction in your church against answering the >>>>>>>>>> question. Why are you avoiding it? >>>>>>>>> I am not avoiding it. You said the answer is obvious, so obviously, >>>>>>>>> you already know the answer. >>>>>>>>> Robert B. Winn >>>>>>>> I know the answer to the question. I do not know what YOUR answer to the >>>>>>>> question is because you are too afraid to answer a simple, direct question. >>>>>>>> Why is that? I want to know what YOUR answer to the question is. >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> Well, just write to church headquarters in Salt Lake City and get an >>>>>>> official answer from the church. Anything I could tell you would only >>>>>>> be my own opinion. >>>>>> Anything they tell us would only be theirs.- Hide quoted text - >>>>>> - Show quoted text - >>>>> Well, so you are going to make up something then and attribute it to >>>>> us. We have seen this before. >>>> I'm not sure where this claim comes from, can you tell me?- Hide quoted text - >>>> - Show quoted text - >>> It came from me. >> Maybe if you could show me where I did that? Why won't you back up >> anything you say?- Hide quoted text - >> >> - Show quoted text - > > Well, for instance, I said that Hezekiah's tunnel exists, and you and > other atheists claimed that I had said that London, England, does not > exist. I did not say a thing about London, England. It all came from > atheists. No, it follows by the application of your logic. If you don't like the results then re-think the logic. <shrug> I guess it just depends on how consistent you want to be.
From: BuddyThunder on 28 Jun 2008 17:14 Free Lunch wrote: > On Sat, 28 Jun 2008 07:01:05 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwinn3(a)juno.com> > wrote in alt.atheism: > >> On Jun 28, 12:21 am, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: >>> rbwinn wrote: > > ... > >>>> No, you were trying to hedge your bets. You do not believe in faith, >>>> but you are "on the edge of faith", so that counts in case you need to >>>> have faith. I know how atheists think. >>> Why would I need to hedge my bets? I believe in faith, I just don't >>> think it's rational. And believe me, you really *don't* know how >>> atheists think.- Hide quoted text - >>> >>> - Show quoted text - >> I know far better than atheists how they think. They have made a >> wrong choice, so their options are limited. > > Your lies are indefensible. You celebrate the evil that you have fallen > into. It's pretty ugly, ain't it?! And he thinks WE'RE the morally bankrupt ones here!
From: BuddyThunder on 28 Jun 2008 17:15 rbwinn wrote: > On Jun 28, 7:04�am, Free Lunch <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote: >> On Sat, 28 Jun 2008 07:01:05 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> >> wrote in alt.atheism: >> >>> On Jun 28, 12:21�am, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: >>>> rbwinn wrote: >> ... >> >>>>> No, you were trying to hedge your bets. �You do not believe in faith, >>>>> but you are "on the edge of faith", so that counts in case you need to >>>>> have faith. �I know how atheists think. >>>> Why would I need to hedge my bets? I believe in faith, I just don't >>>> think it's rational. And believe me, you really *don't* know how >>>> atheists think.- Hide quoted text - >>>> - Show quoted text - >>> I know far better than atheists how they think. �They have made a >>> wrong choice, so their options are limited. >> Your lies are indefensible. You celebrate the evil that you have fallen >> into. > > I thought you atheists did not believe evil exists. If there is no > devil, everything is good, isn't it? Evil sounds like a religious concept to me, but why would you think that we can't differentiate right from wrong. Another strawman? We seem to be able to discuss without lying, can you?
From: BuddyThunder on 28 Jun 2008 17:26 Alex W. wrote: > "BuddyThunder" <nospam(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote in message > news:4865bc76$1(a)clear.net.nz... >> rbwinn wrote: > > >>> Atheists do not normally have children. If they are going to have >>> children, they usually kill them before they are born, so I have only >>> met adult atheists. They are the ones who believe in Harry Potter. >> Yeah, then we eat the foetus. Then we prowl the neighbourhood looking for >> small Christian children. Then we torture them into renouncing their gods, >> then we eat them too. You're priceless! > > Where does that leave vegetarian atheists, I wonder? Probably hungry.
From: BuddyThunder on 28 Jun 2008 17:27
rbwinn wrote: > On Jun 27, 9:22 pm, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: >> rbwinn wrote: >>> On Jun 27, 8:49�am, "pba...(a)worldonline.nl" <pba...(a)worldonline.nl> >>> wrote: >>>> On 26 jun, 03:13, rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> Reading comprehension (for most of us) has nothing to do with prior >>>>>>>>>> beliefs. >>>>>>>>>> I can comprehend many books that I don't happen to believe are truth. >>>>>>>>>> If I had ever read any, Harry Potter books would be good examples. >>>>>>>>> Whjy would you read a Harry Potter book if you comprehended it? >>>>>>>>> Robert B. Winn >>>>>>>> Light entertainment. >>>>>>>> Why do you read if you don't comprehend? >>>>>>>> Al- Hide quoted text - >>>>>>> Well, each to his own. �I never met an atheist yet who did not believe >>>>>>> in Harry Potter. >>>>>>> Robert B. Winn- Tekst uit oorspronkelijk bericht niet weergeven - >>>>>> You mean to say you never met an atheist?- Hide quoted text - >>>>> I have met atheists. �I have never met one who did not think Harry >>>>> Potter was some kind of superhero who was going to defeat >>>>> Christianity. >>>>> Robert B. Winn- Tekst uit oorspronkelijk bericht niet weergeven - >>>>> - Tekst uit oorspronkelijk bericht weergeven - >>>> You have only met Atheistic children? >>>> Where did you meet them, >>>> and why didn't you meet there parents?- Hide quoted text - >>>> - Show quoted text - >>> Atheists do not normally have children. If they are going to have >>> children, they usually kill them before they are born, so I have only >>> met adult atheists. They are the ones who believe in Harry Potter. >> Yeah, then we eat the foetus. Then we prowl the neighbourhood looking >> for small Christian children. Then we torture them into renouncing their >> gods, then we eat them too. You're priceless!- Hide quoted text - >> >> - Show quoted text - > > Well, these things that you are doing are sins. You should try to > stop doing them. You don't get it baby, sin is a concept for you godders. We can eat as many neighbourhood children with complete cosmic impunity. Great to be an Atheist! You actually imagine us this way, right? |