Does God need to prove He exists?
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From: BuddyThunder on 29 Jun 2008 03:08 rbwinn wrote: > On Jun 28, 2:08 pm, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: >> rbwinn wrote: >>> On Jun 28, 12:11 am, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: >>>> rbwinn wrote: >>>>> On Jun 27, 6:37�pm, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: >>>>>> rbwinn wrote: >>>>>>> On Jun 22, 12:57 pm, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: >>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: >>>>>>>>>> ask other readers here to help me recompose them with a grammar and >>>>>>>>>> vocabulary appropos for a first or second grade pupil so you can comprehend >>>>>>>>>> and then answer them. >>>>>>>>>>> Robert B. Winn >>>>>>>>> All public schools are required to teach atheism. >>>>>>>> Please explain how, specifically, they are doing that. Sounding like >>>>>>>> another sacred lie...- Hide quoted text - >>>>>>>> - Show quoted text - >>>>>>> Teachers hired to teach in public schools are trained in college to >>>>>>> teach atheism. >>>>>> Is it explicit in their contract? Can you justify that claim? <chirpiing >>>>>> crickets>- Hide quoted text - >>>>> Well, yes it is explicit in their contract. If someone prayed in >>>>> school the way my sixth grade teacher did, he would be fired. >>>> I didn't know they had a prayer clause in there. You learn something new >>>> every day. Don't you think religion belongs at home, not at school?- Hide quoted text - >>>> - Show quoted text - >>> Well, the Bible says that true religion is to help the widow and the >>> fatherless in their time of affliction. Why shouldn't widows and >>> fatherless people be helped at school? >> Feel free to offer some actual help rather than religion. Unless you can >> show that you're right and everyone else is wrong, but you're not doing >> well on that score.- Hide quoted text - >> >> - Show quoted text - > > Well, we religious people spend time helping widows and fatherless > people. How are you atheists doing with that? Deluded people do not have the altruism market cornered, no matter what you'd like to believe.
From: BuddyThunder on 29 Jun 2008 03:11 Smiler wrote: > "BuddyThunder" <nospam(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote in message > news:4866a92b$1(a)clear.net.nz... >> rbwinn wrote: >>> On Jun 28, 12:19 am, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: >>>> rbwinn wrote: >>>>> On Jun 27, 6:38 pm, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: >>>>>> rbwinn wrote: >>>>>>> On Jun 22, 12:58 pm, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: >>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: >>>>>>>>> On Jun 21, 5:07 pm, Darrell Stec <darrell_s...(a)webpagesorcery.com> >>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 20, 4:22 pm, Darrell Stec >>>>>>>>>>> <darrell_s...(a)webpagesorcery.com> >>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 20, 3:35 am, Darrell Stec >>>>>>>>>>>>> <darrell_s...(a)webpagesorcery.com> >>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 19, 8:22 am, Darrell Stec >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <darrell_s...(a)webpagesorcery.com> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 18, 3:50 pm, Darrell Stec >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <darrell_s...(a)webpagesorcery.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 18, 10:11?am, Darrell Stec >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <darrell_s...(a)webpagesorcery.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 17, 2:53?am, Darrell Stec >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <darrell_s...(a)webpagesorcery.com> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Well, I analyzed the Bible. ?What I find is that God >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> would not want His children to die and just cease to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> or to be punished forever, so He sent his Son to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> overcome death. ?Because of wickedness, we see today >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that most people will reject God's gift of eternal >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> life. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Robert B. Winn >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Let me ask you a question. ?Who would know more about >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> LDS >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> theology, one of the churches twelve apostles, or a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hari >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Krishna monk> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Who do you think would know more about LDS theology? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ?Why >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> do you ask? Robert B. Winn >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Evasion noted. ?Why are you afraid to answer a couple of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> easy >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> questions? Why do you think I would ask? ?Could it be >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> answer might be obvious? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Well, if the answer is obvious, then there was no reason >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ask the question. Go ahead and say whatever you were >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> going to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> say. Robert B. Winn >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Why are you afraid to tell us whether or not one of the 12 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> apostles of the Mormon church would know more about LDS >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> theology >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> than an Hari Krishna monk? What are you afraid of? I know >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> answer, but I don't know if you do and that is why I am >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> asking. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Later, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Darrell Stec dars...(a)neo.rr.com >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Well, why don't you just make up your own mind about that? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Robert B. Winn >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I already have made an informed and knowledgeable opinion. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I am >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> trying to find out what you believe (asking what you think >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> would be >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> unfair because you are shooting without bullets) to be the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> case. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Why are you afraid to answer the question? Is it because it >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> has >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> never been discussed in bible school and you have nothing to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> copy >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and paste? Go ask your bishop what he thinks, as you allow >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> others >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to think for you until you pull stupid things out of thin >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> air. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Well, why don't you ask my bishop yourself? >>>>>>>>>>>>>> What is his name, email address, physical address and phone >>>>>>>>>>>>>> number and >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I will ask him. I'll also send him a list of your more insane >>>>>>>>>>>>>> postings. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I told you athiests >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> before that I was not going to be your researcher. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> What research do you need to do to answer a question as to >>>>>>>>>>>>>> whether an >>>>>>>>>>>>>> apostle of your church's council of twelve would know more >>>>>>>>>>>>>> about LDS >>>>>>>>>>>>>> philosophy than a Hari Krishna monk? That is a person >>>>>>>>>>>>>> opinion. Or do >>>>>>>>>>>>>> you mean that nobody told you what to think in regard to the >>>>>>>>>>>>>> question >>>>>>>>>>>>>> so you can't copy and paste it? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If you want to know what I believe,I can give you name to the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> missionaries as a referral , and they can tell you what I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> beleive. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Why can't you give us your opinion yourself? Why are you >>>>>>>>>>>>>> having so >>>>>>>>>>>>>> many problems answering an easy question? What are you afraid >>>>>>>>>>>>>> of? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Robert B. Winn >>>>>>>>>>>>> Well, the General Authorities of our church have counseled us >>>>>>>>>>>>> to avoid >>>>>>>>>>>>> contention with other churches. So if you have some bone to >>>>>>>>>>>>> pick with >>>>>>>>>>>>> the Hare Kirshna church, leave me out of it. >>>>>>>>>>>>> Robert B. Winn >>>>>>>>>>>> Why are you avoiding the question? Why is it so difficult for >>>>>>>>>>>> you to >>>>>>>>>>>> answer the question? It is a simple one. Whom do you think >>>>>>>>>>>> knows more >>>>>>>>>>>> about LDS theology, one of the twelve apostles making up the >>>>>>>>>>>> council of >>>>>>>>>>>> the LDS church or a Hari Krishna monk? What are you afraid of. >>>>>>>>>>>> Certainly there is no injunction in your church against >>>>>>>>>>>> answering the >>>>>>>>>>>> question. Why are you avoiding it? >>>>>>>>>>> I am not avoiding it. You said the answer is obvious, so >>>>>>>>>>> obviously, >>>>>>>>>>> you already know the answer. >>>>>>>>>>> Robert B. Winn >>>>>>>>>> I know the answer to the question. I do not know what YOUR answer >>>>>>>>>> to the >>>>>>>>>> question is because you are too afraid to answer a simple, direct >>>>>>>>>> question. >>>>>>>>>> Why is that? I want to know what YOUR answer to the question is. >>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>> Well, just write to church headquarters in Salt Lake City and get >>>>>>>>> an >>>>>>>>> official answer from the church. Anything I could tell you would >>>>>>>>> only >>>>>>>>> be my own opinion. >>>>>>>> Anything they tell us would only be theirs.- Hide quoted text - >>>>>>>> - Show quoted text - >>>>>>> Well, so you are going to make up something then and attribute it to >>>>>>> us. We have seen this before. >>>>>> I'm not sure where this claim comes from, can you tell me?- Hide >>>>>> quoted text - >>>>>> - Show quoted text - >>>>> It came from me. >>>> Maybe if you could show me where I did that? Why won't you back up >>>> anything you say?- Hide quoted text - >>>> >>>> - Show quoted text - >>> Well, for instance, I said that Hezekiah's tunnel exists, and you and >>> other atheists claimed that I had said that London, England, does not >>> exist. I did not say a thing about London, England. It all came from >>> atheists. >> No, it follows by the application of your logic. If you don't like the >> results then re-think the logic. <shrug> I guess it just depends on how >> consistent you want to be. > > From his posts I can tell he wants to be consistently stupid, consistently > disengenous, consistently untruthfull and consistently illogical. > Such is the effect of religion on some. Maybe it's the only way that belief can be maintained? I would suggest that faith requiring irrational thought, compartmentalisation and bare-faced lies is not worth defending!
From: BuddyThunder on 29 Jun 2008 03:13 rbwinn wrote: > On Jun 28, 2:15 pm, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: >> rbwinn wrote: >>> On Jun 28, 7:04�am, Free Lunch <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote: >>>> On Sat, 28 Jun 2008 07:01:05 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> >>>> wrote in alt.atheism: >>>>> On Jun 28, 12:21�am, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: >>>>>> rbwinn wrote: >>>> ... >>>>>>> No, you were trying to hedge your bets. �You do not believe in faith, >>>>>>> but you are "on the edge of faith", so that counts in case you need to >>>>>>> have faith. �I know how atheists think. >>>>>> Why would I need to hedge my bets? I believe in faith, I just don't >>>>>> think it's rational. And believe me, you really *don't* know how >>>>>> atheists think.- Hide quoted text - >>>>>> - Show quoted text - >>>>> I know far better than atheists how they think. �They have made a >>>>> wrong choice, so their options are limited. >>>> Your lies are indefensible. You celebrate the evil that you have fallen >>>> into. >>> I thought you atheists did not believe evil exists. If there is no >>> devil, everything is good, isn't it? >> Evil sounds like a religious concept to me, but why would you think that >> we can't differentiate right from wrong. Another strawman? >> >> We seem to be able to discuss without lying, can you?- Hide quoted text - >> >> - Show quoted text - > > Sure. A while back you were saying that there was nothing wrong with > killing children before they are born. So are you saying that killing > children before they are born is a good thing? Where did I say that? Can you show me, or is that another lie? Abortion is deeply unpleasant, however I don't think it should be banned. They're not children yet, by the way.
From: BuddyThunder on 29 Jun 2008 03:21 Smiler wrote: > "BuddyThunder" <nospam(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote in message > news:4865bc76$1(a)clear.net.nz... >> rbwinn wrote: >>> On Jun 27, 8:49?am, "pba...(a)worldonline.nl" <pba...(a)worldonline.nl> >>> wrote: >>>> On 26 jun, 03:13, rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>>>>>>> Reading comprehension (for most of us) has nothing to do with >>>>>>>>>> prior >>>>>>>>>> beliefs. >>>>>>>>>> I can comprehend many books that I don't happen to believe are >>>>>>>>>> truth. >>>>>>>>>> If I had ever read any, Harry Potter books would be good examples. >>>>>>>>> Whjy would you read a Harry Potter book if you comprehended it? >>>>>>>>> Robert B. Winn >>>>>>>> Light entertainment. >>>>>>>> Why do you read if you don't comprehend? >>>>>>>> Al- Hide quoted text - >>>>>>> Well, each to his own. ?I never met an atheist yet who did not >>>>>>> believe >>>>>>> in Harry Potter. >>>>>>> Robert B. Winn- Tekst uit oorspronkelijk bericht niet weergeven - >>>>>> You mean to say you never met an atheist?- Hide quoted text - >>>>> I have met atheists. ?I have never met one who did not think Harry >>>>> Potter was some kind of superhero who was going to defeat >>>>> Christianity. >>>>> Robert B. Winn- Tekst uit oorspronkelijk bericht niet weergeven - >>>>> - Tekst uit oorspronkelijk bericht weergeven - >>>> You have only met Atheistic children? >>>> Where did you meet them, >>>> and why didn't you meet there parents?- Hide quoted text - >>>> >>>> - Show quoted text - >>> Atheists do not normally have children. If they are going to have >>> children, they usually kill them before they are born, so I have only >>> met adult atheists. They are the ones who believe in Harry Potter. >> Yeah, then we eat the foetus. Then we prowl the neighbourhood looking for >> small Christian children. Then we torture them into renouncing their gods, >> then we eat them too. You're priceless! > > That reminds me! When's the next EAC <ntie> barbeque? > I've not eaten BBQ'd devilled baby <yummmy> for ages! Next weekend, I'll kill the fatted child!
From: BuddyThunder on 29 Jun 2008 03:22
rbwinn wrote: > On Jun 28, 12:50�pm, Free Lunch <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote: >> On Sat, 28 Jun 2008 12:11:54 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> >> wrote in alt.atheism: >> >> >> >> >> >>> On Jun 28, 7:17?am, Free Lunch <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote: >>>> On Sat, 28 Jun 2008 07:05:42 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> >>>> wrote in alt.atheism: >>>>> On Jun 28, 12:26?am, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: >>>>>> rbwinn wrote: >>>>>>> On Jun 27, 6:42?pm, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: >>>>>>>> Jack wrote: >>>>>>>>>> I am upset by *people* who >>>>>>>>>> believe that the Bible is anything more than mythology and try ?to impose >>>>>>>>>> their >>>>>>>>>> beliefs on me ?using the Bible as evidence. >>>>>>>>> How can someone impose a belief on you? ?Just believe whatever you want to >>>>>>>>> believe. >>>>>>>> The wrong part is when people attempt to use the myth to formulate >>>>>>>> public policy or indoctrinate children or inform foreign policy. >>>>>>> Well, actually they use fables. ?The apostles Paul said they would be >>>>>>> turned to fables in the last days. ?A fable is a story about animals >>>>>>> like the story about monkeys turning into humans. >>>>>> Wow, you're ignorant about evolution. Colour me surprised. >>>>> In what way am I ignorant about evolution? >>>> Monkeys and humans do share a common ancestor. Your denial of the fact >>>> does not change that fact.- Hide quoted text - >>>> - Show quoted text - >>> Charles Darwin was not my ancestor. >> So? >> >> Evolution happens. Learn to deal with reality.- Hide quoted text - >> >> - Show quoted text - > > I never have believed in evolution. I think it is a fable, just as > Paul said it was. Classic, got a scripture for that? |