Does God need to prove He exists?
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From: rbwinn on 29 Jun 2008 10:26 On Jun 29, 12:13 am, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: > rbwinn wrote: > > On Jun 28, 2:15 pm, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: > >> rbwinn wrote: > >>> On Jun 28, 7:04�am, Free Lunch <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote: > >>>> On Sat, 28 Jun 2008 07:01:05 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> > >>>> wrote in alt.atheism: > >>>>> On Jun 28, 12:21�am, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: > >>>>>> rbwinn wrote: > >>>> ... > >>>>>>> No, you were trying to hedge your bets. �You do not believe in faith, > >>>>>>> but you are "on the edge of faith", so that counts in case you need to > >>>>>>> have faith. �I know how atheists think. > >>>>>> Why would I need to hedge my bets? I believe in faith, I just don't > >>>>>> think it's rational. And believe me, you really *don't* know how > >>>>>> atheists think.- Hide quoted text - > >>>>>> - Show quoted text - > >>>>> I know far better than atheists how they think. �They have made a > >>>>> wrong choice, so their options are limited. > >>>> Your lies are indefensible. You celebrate the evil that you have fallen > >>>> into. > >>> I thought you atheists did not believe evil exists.  If there is no > >>> devil, everything is good, isn't it? > >> Evil sounds like a religious concept to me, but why would you think that > >> we can't differentiate right from wrong. Another strawman? > > >> We seem to be able to discuss without lying, can you?- Hide quoted text - > > >> - Show quoted text - > > > Sure.  A while back you were saying that there was nothing wrong with > > killing children before they are born.  So are you saying that killing > > children before they are born is a good thing? > > Where did I say that? Can you show me, or is that another lie? Abortion > is deeply unpleasant, however I don't think it should be banned. They're > not children yet, by the way.- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - Not children yet? What do you think they are? Robert B. Winn
From: rbwinn on 29 Jun 2008 10:47 On Jun 29, 12:21�am, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: > Smiler wrote: > > "BuddyThunder" <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote in message > >news:4865bc76$1(a)clear.net.nz... > >> rbwinn wrote: > >>> On Jun 27, 8:49?am, "pba...(a)worldonline.nl" <pba...(a)worldonline.nl> > >>> wrote: > >>>> On 26 jun, 03:13, rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote: > > >>>>>>>>>> Reading comprehension (for most of us) has nothing to do with > >>>>>>>>>> prior > >>>>>>>>>> beliefs. > >>>>>>>>>> I can comprehend many books that I don't happen to believe are > >>>>>>>>>> truth. > >>>>>>>>>> If I had ever read any, Harry Potter books would be good examples. > >>>>>>>>> Whjy would you read a Harry Potter book if you comprehended it? > >>>>>>>>> Robert B. Winn > >>>>>>>> Light entertainment. > >>>>>>>> Why do you read if you don't comprehend? > >>>>>>>> Al- Hide quoted text - > >>>>>>> Well, each to his own. ?I never met an atheist yet who did not > >>>>>>> believe > >>>>>>> in Harry Potter. > >>>>>>> Robert B. Winn- Tekst uit oorspronkelijk bericht niet weergeven - > >>>>>> You mean to say you never met an atheist?- Hide quoted text - > >>>>> I have met atheists. ?I have never met one who did not think Harry > >>>>> Potter was some kind of superhero who was going to defeat > >>>>> Christianity. > >>>>> Robert B. Winn- Tekst uit oorspronkelijk bericht niet weergeven - > >>>>> - Tekst uit oorspronkelijk bericht weergeven - > >>>> You have only met Atheistic children? > >>>> Where did you meet them, > >>>> and why didn't you meet there parents?- Hide quoted text - > > >>>> - Show quoted text - > >>> Atheists do not normally have children. �If they are going to have > >>> children, they usually kill them before they are born, so I have only > >>> met adult atheists. �They are the ones who believe in Harry Potter. > >> Yeah, then we eat the foetus. Then we prowl the neighbourhood looking for > >> small Christian children. Then we torture them into renouncing their gods, > >> then we eat them too. You're priceless! > > > That reminds me! When's the next EAC <ntie> barbeque? > > I've not eaten BBQ'd devilled baby <yummmy> for ages! > > Next weekend, I'll kill the fatted child!- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - I would certainly discourage that. Robert B. Winn
From: rbwinn on 29 Jun 2008 10:48 On Jun 29, 12:22 am, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: > rbwinn wrote: > > On Jun 28, 12:50�pm, Free Lunch <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote: > >> On Sat, 28 Jun 2008 12:11:54 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> > >> wrote in alt.atheism: > > >>> On Jun 28, 7:17?am, Free Lunch <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote: > >>>> On Sat, 28 Jun 2008 07:05:42 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> > >>>> wrote in alt.atheism: > >>>>> On Jun 28, 12:26?am, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: > >>>>>> rbwinn wrote: > >>>>>>> On Jun 27, 6:42?pm, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: > >>>>>>>> Jack wrote: > >>>>>>>>>> I am upset by *people* who > >>>>>>>>>> believe that the Bible is anything more than mythology and try ?to impose > >>>>>>>>>> their > >>>>>>>>>> beliefs on me ?using the Bible as evidence. > >>>>>>>>> How can someone impose a belief on you? ?Just believe whatever you want to > >>>>>>>>> believe. > >>>>>>>> The wrong part is when people attempt to use the myth to formulate > >>>>>>>> public policy or indoctrinate children or inform foreign policy. > >>>>>>> Well, actually they use fables. ?The apostles Paul said they would be > >>>>>>> turned to fables in the last days. ?A fable is a story about animals > >>>>>>> like the story about monkeys turning into humans. > >>>>>> Wow, you're ignorant about evolution. Colour me surprised. > >>>>> In what way am I ignorant about evolution? > >>>> Monkeys and humans do share a common ancestor. Your denial of the fact > >>>> does not change that fact.- Hide quoted text - > >>>> - Show quoted text - > >>> Charles Darwin was not my ancestor. > >> So? > > >> Evolution happens. Learn to deal with reality.- Hide quoted text - > > >> - Show quoted text - > > > I never have believed in evolution.  I think it is a fable, just as > > Paul said it was. > > Classic, got a scripture for that?- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - Yes, we are still on the scripture in Isaiah that says that a tunnel was dug as a conduit for water between Gihon spring and the pool of Siloam. Robert B. Winn
From: rbwinn on 29 Jun 2008 10:54 On Jun 29, 12:23 am, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: > rbwinn wrote: > > On Jun 28, 7:00�am, Free Lunch <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote: > >> On Sat, 28 Jun 2008 06:47:11 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> > >> wrote in alt.atheism: > > >>> On Jun 27, 9:26�pm, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: > >>>> rbwinn wrote: > >> ... > > >>>>> Well, I was the one who pointed out that the Bible in three books of > >>>>> the Old Testament describes the construction of Hezekiah's tunnel. > >>>>> Atheists still do not believe Hezekiah's tunnel exists. > >>>> And you think London is a myth.- Hide quoted text - > >>>> - Show quoted text - > >>> No, I actually have a friend from London. �He says that Harry Potter > >>> does not exist. �I think you should actually consider that > >>> possibility. � I know this might be difficult for an atheist to do. > >> There is a tunnel called Hezekiah's tunnel. That does not mean that the > >> supposed authors of the Bible ever existed or wrote what was claimed > >> that they wrote or that what was written ever happened. > > >> A few random facts in the Bible does not make the Bible true. This has > >> been explained to you, so, it appears to me that you are just being > >> stiff necked in playing your dishonest game. You mock the God you claim > >> to worship with this behavior. Maybe you are just playing Loki. > > > Well, the tunnel got there some way.  Why do you believe the Biblical > > account is wrong? > > Because it's extraordinary supernatural claims are totally unsupported > by evidence.- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - Well, the Bible says that the Jews took tools and dug the tunnel by hand just before the Assyrian seige of Jerusalem in 701 B.C. Why do you think that was a supernatural event? The same thing could be done today if you could find people wiling to do that much work. Robert B. Winn
From: Free Lunch on 29 Jun 2008 11:44
On Sun, 29 Jun 2008 07:26:23 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwinn3(a)juno.com> wrote in alt.atheism: >On Jun 29, 12:13�am, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: >> rbwinn wrote: >> > On Jun 28, 2:15 pm, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: >> >> rbwinn wrote: >> >>> On Jun 28, 7:04?am, Free Lunch <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote: >> >>>> On Sat, 28 Jun 2008 07:01:05 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> >> >>>> wrote in alt.atheism: >> >>>>> On Jun 28, 12:21?am, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: >> >>>>>> rbwinn wrote: >> >>>> ... >> >>>>>>> No, you were trying to hedge your bets. ?You do not believe in faith, >> >>>>>>> but you are "on the edge of faith", so that counts in case you need to >> >>>>>>> have faith. ?I know how atheists think. >> >>>>>> Why would I need to hedge my bets? I believe in faith, I just don't >> >>>>>> think it's rational. And believe me, you really *don't* know how >> >>>>>> atheists think.- Hide quoted text - >> >>>>>> - Show quoted text - >> >>>>> I know far better than atheists how they think. ?They have made a >> >>>>> wrong choice, so their options are limited. >> >>>> Your lies are indefensible. You celebrate the evil that you have fallen >> >>>> into. >> >>> I thought you atheists did not believe evil exists. �If there is no >> >>> devil, everything is good, isn't it? >> >> Evil sounds like a religious concept to me, but why would you think that >> >> we can't differentiate right from wrong. Another strawman? >> >> >> We seem to be able to discuss without lying, can you?- Hide quoted text - >> >> >> - Show quoted text - >> >> > Sure. �A while back you were saying that there was nothing wrong with >> > killing children before they are born. �So are you saying that killing >> > children before they are born is a good thing? >> >> Where did I say that? Can you show me, or is that another lie? Abortion >> is deeply unpleasant, however I don't think it should be banned. They're >> not children yet, by the way.- Hide quoted text - >> >> - Show quoted text - > >Not children yet? What do you think they are? Embryos and fetuses. |