Does God need to prove He exists?
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From: BuddyThunder on 29 Jun 2008 15:52 rbwinn wrote: > On Jun 29, 12:04 am, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: >> rbwinn wrote: >>> On Jun 28, 6:36 am, mizlee <miz...(a)aol.com> wrote: >>>> On Jun 27, 9:47 pm, rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote: >>>>> On Jun 27, 9:04 am, mizlee <miz...(a)aol.com> wrote: >>>>>> On Jun 27, 8:37�am, rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote: >>>>>>> Teachers hired to teach in public schools are trained in college to >>>>>>> teach atheism. >>>>>>> Robert B. Winn- >>>>>> As a former public school teacher, I am in a really, really good >>>>>> position to tell you that you are an absolute, bald-faced liar, in >>>>>> addition to being a barking mad looney. Seriously, dude, you need >>>>>> professional help. >>>>> So how did you get a teaching job if you did not go to college? >>>>> Robert B. Winn >>>> As a matter of fact, you lying whackjob, I have gone to three >>>> colleges, and have degrees from all of them. And you are still an >>>> absolute, bald-faced-liar, in addition to being a barking mad looney. >>>> But, by all means, keep posting. The more that rational people are >>>> exposed to those of your deluded ilk, the more they are turned off by >>>> religion. It really is no coincidence, you know, that young people in >>>> particular are rejecting religion in droves, especially christianity, >>>> and over all, people who self describe themselves as having no >>>> religion have doubled in the last ten years. The PEW Forum puts the >>>> unaffiliated at 16%, the largest since the American Revolution; they >>>> are increasingly disgusted with the baggage of religion - intolerance, >>>> bigotry, hatred, self-righteousness, anti-abortion, anti stem-cell >>>> research, anti-everything-progressive - and are now the second-largest >>>> "religious" group in the country. Keep it up, you are a perfect >>>> representative of everything that is evil in this country.- Hide quoted text - >>>> - Show quoted text - >>> Well, but I do not deny the existence of Hezekiah's tunnel the way >>> atheists do. >>> Did you know that the Bible prophesies that in the last days men would >>> be lovers of themselves more than lovers of God? >> No, but you're happy to ignore London in the South of England. Weird, >> that! The Bible says lots of stuff. Like bats are birds.- Hide quoted text - >> >> - Show quoted text - > > Well, I do not completely ignore London. I have a friend who is from > London. What magical item is in their wand?
From: BuddyThunder on 29 Jun 2008 15:57 rbwinn wrote: > On Jun 29, 12:07 am, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: >> rbwinn wrote: >>> On Jun 28, 2:09 pm, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: >>>> rbwinn wrote: >>>>> On Jun 28, 7:02�am, Free Lunch <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote: >>>>>> On Sat, 28 Jun 2008 06:56:16 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> >>>>>> wrote in alt.atheism: >>>>>>> On Jun 28, 12:11�am, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: >>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: >>>>>>>>> On Jun 27, 6:37?pm, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 22, 12:57 pm, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> ask other readers here to help me recompose them with a grammar and >>>>>>>>>>>>>> vocabulary appropos for a first or second grade pupil so you can comprehend >>>>>>>>>>>>>> and then answer them. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Robert B. Winn >>>>>>>>>>>>> All public schools are required to teach atheism. >>>>>>>>>>>> Please explain how, specifically, they are doing that. Sounding like >>>>>>>>>>>> another sacred lie...- Hide quoted text - >>>>>>>>>>>> - Show quoted text - >>>>>>>>>>> Teachers hired to teach in public schools are trained in college to >>>>>>>>>>> teach atheism. >>>>>>>>>> Is it explicit in their contract? Can you justify that claim? <chirpiing >>>>>>>>>> crickets>- Hide quoted text - >>>>>>>>> Well, yes it is explicit in their contract. �If someone prayed in >>>>>>>>> school the way my sixth grade teacher did, he would be fired. >>>>>>>> I didn't know they had a prayer clause in there. You learn something new >>>>>>>> every day. Don't you think religion belongs at home, not at school?- Hide quoted text - >>>>>>>> - Show quoted text - >>>>>>> Well, the Bible says that true religion is to help the widow and the >>>>>>> fatherless in their time of affliction. �Why shouldn't widows and >>>>>>> fatherless people be helped at school? >>>>>> They are helped by schooling. Prayer does nothing at all.- Hide quoted text - >>>>>> - Show quoted text - >>>>> Well, I went all the way through high school. They were not teaching >>>>> anything that helped me much. >>>> I don't believe that your difficulties with functioning in the real >>>> world is the fault of your educators.- Hide quoted text - >>>> - Show quoted text - >>> Well, a while back you were saying that the teacher I had that used to >>> pray in school was guilty of child abuse. What made you change your >>> mind? >> Where did I say that again? The teacher *was* certainly wrong to pray at >> children. >> >> Do you have difficulty following conversations? You reach... unusual >> conclusions.- Hide quoted text - >> >> - Show quoted text - > > No, I do not have difficulty following conversations. Atheists said > that there was nothing in the Bible that could be proven. I said that > three books of the Old Testament describe the construction of > Hezekiah's tunnel, and sure enough, there is a tunnel right where the > Bible says there is. Atheists say, That does not prove there was a > tunnel dug where the Bible says there was because atheists do not > believe anything in the Bible. So far that has been the extent of > this conversation. Not true. You have been unable to back up your claims about what atheists have said. I've never denied the tunnel's existence. It is a non sequitor to get from "there's a tunnel as described in the Bible" to "god exists". There's some magical step in the middle there that you've been unable to articulate.
From: BuddyThunder on 29 Jun 2008 15:59 rbwinn wrote: > On Jun 29, 12:08 am, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: >> rbwinn wrote: >>> On Jun 28, 2:08 pm, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: >>>> rbwinn wrote: >>>>> On Jun 28, 12:11 am, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: >>>>>> rbwinn wrote: >>>>>>> On Jun 27, 6:37�pm, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: >>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: >>>>>>>>> On Jun 22, 12:57 pm, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> ask other readers here to help me recompose them with a grammar and >>>>>>>>>>>> vocabulary appropos for a first or second grade pupil so you can comprehend >>>>>>>>>>>> and then answer them. >>>>>>>>>>>>> Robert B. Winn >>>>>>>>>>> All public schools are required to teach atheism. >>>>>>>>>> Please explain how, specifically, they are doing that. Sounding like >>>>>>>>>> another sacred lie...- Hide quoted text - >>>>>>>>>> - Show quoted text - >>>>>>>>> Teachers hired to teach in public schools are trained in college to >>>>>>>>> teach atheism. >>>>>>>> Is it explicit in their contract? Can you justify that claim? <chirpiing >>>>>>>> crickets>- Hide quoted text - >>>>>>> Well, yes it is explicit in their contract. If someone prayed in >>>>>>> school the way my sixth grade teacher did, he would be fired. >>>>>> I didn't know they had a prayer clause in there. You learn something new >>>>>> every day. Don't you think religion belongs at home, not at school?- Hide quoted text - >>>>>> - Show quoted text - >>>>> Well, the Bible says that true religion is to help the widow and the >>>>> fatherless in their time of affliction. Why shouldn't widows and >>>>> fatherless people be helped at school? >>>> Feel free to offer some actual help rather than religion. Unless you can >>>> show that you're right and everyone else is wrong, but you're not doing >>>> well on that score.- Hide quoted text - >>>> - Show quoted text - >>> Well, we religious people spend time helping widows and fatherless >>> people. How are you atheists doing with that? >> Deluded people do not have the altruism market cornered, no matter what >> you'd like to believe.- Hide quoted text - >> >> - Show quoted text - > > So you are saying that you actually believe some religious people are > helping widows and orphans. That is very open minded for an atheist. Ummm... thanks? What you think I believe is clearly hugely different from what I really believe. Is this your mischaracterisation, or have you been lied to?
From: BuddyThunder on 29 Jun 2008 16:01 rbwinn wrote: > On Jun 29, 12:13 am, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: >> rbwinn wrote: >>> On Jun 28, 2:15 pm, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: >>>> rbwinn wrote: >>>>> On Jun 28, 7:04�am, Free Lunch <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote: >>>>>> On Sat, 28 Jun 2008 07:01:05 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> >>>>>> wrote in alt.atheism: >>>>>>> On Jun 28, 12:21�am, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: >>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: >>>>>> ... >>>>>>>>> No, you were trying to hedge your bets. �You do not believe in faith, >>>>>>>>> but you are "on the edge of faith", so that counts in case you need to >>>>>>>>> have faith. �I know how atheists think. >>>>>>>> Why would I need to hedge my bets? I believe in faith, I just don't >>>>>>>> think it's rational. And believe me, you really *don't* know how >>>>>>>> atheists think.- Hide quoted text - >>>>>>>> - Show quoted text - >>>>>>> I know far better than atheists how they think. �They have made a >>>>>>> wrong choice, so their options are limited. >>>>>> Your lies are indefensible. You celebrate the evil that you have fallen >>>>>> into. >>>>> I thought you atheists did not believe evil exists. If there is no >>>>> devil, everything is good, isn't it? >>>> Evil sounds like a religious concept to me, but why would you think that >>>> we can't differentiate right from wrong. Another strawman? >>>> We seem to be able to discuss without lying, can you?- Hide quoted text - >>>> - Show quoted text - >>> Sure. A while back you were saying that there was nothing wrong with >>> killing children before they are born. So are you saying that killing >>> children before they are born is a good thing? >> Where did I say that? Can you show me, or is that another lie? Abortion >> is deeply unpleasant, however I don't think it should be banned. They're >> not children yet, by the way.- Hide quoted text - >> >> - Show quoted text - > > Not children yet? What do you think they are? A human embryo =/= a human child. One has been born.
From: BuddyThunder on 29 Jun 2008 16:12
Alex W. wrote: > "BuddyThunder" <nospam(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote in message > news:486737ee$1(a)clear.net.nz... >> rbwinn wrote: > > >>> I know. Abortion was imported here from Europe. >> I'm not European either. <shrug> > > Pakeha? Bingo! :-) |