Does God need to prove He exists?
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From: Free Lunch on 29 Jun 2008 11:48 On Sun, 29 Jun 2008 07:23:07 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwinn3(a)juno.com> wrote in alt.atheism: >On Jun 29, 12:07�am, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: >> rbwinn wrote: >> > On Jun 28, 2:09 pm, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: >> >> rbwinn wrote: >> >>> On Jun 28, 7:02?am, Free Lunch <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote: >> >>>> On Sat, 28 Jun 2008 06:56:16 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> >> >>>> wrote in alt.atheism: >> >>>>> On Jun 28, 12:11?am, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: >> >>>>>> rbwinn wrote: >> >>>>>>> On Jun 27, 6:37?pm, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: >> >>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: >> >>>>>>>>> On Jun 22, 12:57 pm, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: >> >>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: >> >>>>>>>>>>>> ask other readers here to help me recompose them with a grammar and >> >>>>>>>>>>>> vocabulary appropos for a first or second grade pupil so you can comprehend >> >>>>>>>>>>>> and then answer them. >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Robert B. Winn >> >>>>>>>>>>> All public schools are required to teach atheism. >> >>>>>>>>>> Please explain how, specifically, they are doing that. Sounding like >> >>>>>>>>>> another sacred lie...- Hide quoted text - >> >>>>>>>>>> - Show quoted text - >> >>>>>>>>> Teachers hired to teach in public schools are trained in college to >> >>>>>>>>> teach atheism. >> >>>>>>>> Is it explicit in their contract? Can you justify that claim? <chirpiing >> >>>>>>>> crickets>- Hide quoted text - >> >>>>>>> Well, yes it is explicit in their contract. ?If someone prayed in >> >>>>>>> school the way my sixth grade teacher did, he would be fired. >> >>>>>> I didn't know they had a prayer clause in there. You learn something new >> >>>>>> every day. Don't you think religion belongs at home, not at school?- Hide quoted text - >> >>>>>> - Show quoted text - >> >>>>> Well, the Bible says that true religion is to help the widow and the >> >>>>> fatherless in their time of affliction. ?Why shouldn't widows and >> >>>>> fatherless people be helped at school? >> >>>> They are helped by schooling. Prayer does nothing at all.- Hide quoted text - >> >>>> - Show quoted text - >> >>> Well, I went all the way through high school. �They were not teaching >> >>> anything that helped me much. >> >> I don't believe that your difficulties with functioning in the real >> >> world is the fault of your educators.- Hide quoted text - >> >> >> - Show quoted text - >> >> > Well, a while back you were saying that the teacher I had that used to >> > pray in school was guilty of child abuse. �What made you change your >> > mind? >> >> Where did I say that again? The teacher *was* certainly wrong to pray at >> children. >> >> Do you have difficulty following conversations? You reach... unusual >> conclusions.- Hide quoted text - >> >> - Show quoted text - > >No, I do not have difficulty following conversations. Atheists said >that there was nothing in the Bible that could be proven. I said that >three books of the Old Testament describe the construction of >Hezekiah's tunnel, and sure enough, there is a tunnel right where the >Bible says there is. Atheists say, That does not prove there was a >tunnel dug where the Bible says there was because atheists do not >believe anything in the Bible. So far that has been the extent of >this conversation. No one claimed that every single sentence was made up. That was why we tried to explain by analogy to London or Troy, but you have chosen to remain ignorant and dishonest about this. You are an enemy of God.
From: Free Lunch on 29 Jun 2008 11:48 On Sun, 29 Jun 2008 07:48:40 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwinn3(a)juno.com> wrote in alt.atheism: >On Jun 29, 12:22�am, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: >> rbwinn wrote: >> > On Jun 28, 12:50?pm, Free Lunch <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote: >> >> On Sat, 28 Jun 2008 12:11:54 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> >> >> wrote in alt.atheism: >> >> >>> On Jun 28, 7:17?am, Free Lunch <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote: >> >>>> On Sat, 28 Jun 2008 07:05:42 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> >> >>>> wrote in alt.atheism: >> >>>>> On Jun 28, 12:26?am, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: >> >>>>>> rbwinn wrote: >> >>>>>>> On Jun 27, 6:42?pm, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: >> >>>>>>>> Jack wrote: >> >>>>>>>>>> I am upset by *people* who >> >>>>>>>>>> believe that the Bible is anything more than mythology and try ?to impose >> >>>>>>>>>> their >> >>>>>>>>>> beliefs on me ?using the Bible as evidence. >> >>>>>>>>> How can someone impose a belief on you? ?Just believe whatever you want to >> >>>>>>>>> believe. >> >>>>>>>> The wrong part is when people attempt to use the myth to formulate >> >>>>>>>> public policy or indoctrinate children or inform foreign policy. >> >>>>>>> Well, actually they use fables. ?The apostles Paul said they would be >> >>>>>>> turned to fables in the last days. ?A fable is a story about animals >> >>>>>>> like the story about monkeys turning into humans. >> >>>>>> Wow, you're ignorant about evolution. Colour me surprised. >> >>>>> In what way am I ignorant about evolution? >> >>>> Monkeys and humans do share a common ancestor. Your denial of the fact >> >>>> does not change that fact.- Hide quoted text - >> >>>> - Show quoted text - >> >>> Charles Darwin was not my ancestor. >> >> So? >> >> >> Evolution happens. Learn to deal with reality.- Hide quoted text - >> >> >> - Show quoted text - >> >> > I never have believed in evolution. �I think it is a fable, just as >> > Paul said it was. >> >> Classic, got a scripture for that?- Hide quoted text - >> >> - Show quoted text - > >Yes, we are still on the scripture in Isaiah that says that a tunnel >was dug as a conduit for water between Gihon spring and the pool of >Siloam. So, where is the evidence that the entire story is correct? The tunnel, as you know, is not evidence that the story is correct.
From: raven1 on 29 Jun 2008 12:46 On Sun, 29 Jun 2008 07:23:07 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwinn3(a)juno.com> wrote: >No, I do not have difficulty following conversations. Atheists said >that there was nothing in the Bible that could be proven. No atheist claims such a ridiculous thing. Obviously there are things in the Bible that can be proven. It is trivial, for example to demonstrate the existence of the city of Jerusalem, so I don't know why you're so insistent on the existence of a particular tunnel being significant. What atheists state cannot be proven are any of the *supernatural* claims in the Bible. Just as the historical existence of Troy does not prove that Eris, the goddess of chaos, rolled a golden apple inscribed "To the fairest" into a banquet on Olympus to set the events in motion that resulted in the Trojan War, the historical existence of Jerusalem does not prove that Jesus was crucified there and rose from the dead. What you think your tunnel might possibly prove I can't even begin to guess. > I said that >three books of the Old Testament describe the construction of >Hezekiah's tunnel, and sure enough, there is a tunnel right where the >Bible says there is. Again, so what? > Atheists say, That does not prove there was a >tunnel dug where the Bible says there was because atheists do not >believe anything in the Bible. Poppycock. I doubt there's an atheist on the planet who will deny the historical existence of Jerusalem, Pontius Pilate, Herod, or any number of other things mentioned in the Bible. > So far that has been the extent of >this conversation. The extent of the conversation has been you continuing to miss the point that the fact that the Bible mentions some cities and historical figures that actually existed is irrelevant to the truth or falsity of its other claims. That Bethlehem exists says nothing about whether Jesus was born there and laid in a manger wrapped in swaddling clothes.
From: Alex W. on 29 Jun 2008 13:55 "rbwinn" <rbwinn3(a)juno.com> wrote in message news:6ba076e7-8a36-4286-be86-11052530ded2(a)k13g2000hse.googlegroups.com... Well, you have to understand that no man knoweth the day and the hour. Anyone who claims they do will be proven wrong. =============== Wrong. http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/article.php?scid=8&did=190
From: Alex W. on 29 Jun 2008 13:57
"rbwinn" <rbwinn3(a)juno.com> wrote in message news:1c31d316-2b91-43f6-b6c0-3fb4dbf97774(a)z72g2000hsb.googlegroups.com... On Jun 29, 12:13 am, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: > rbwinn wrote: > > On Jun 28, 2:15 pm, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: > >> rbwinn wrote: > >>> On Jun 28, 7:04?am, Free Lunch <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote: > >>>> On Sat, 28 Jun 2008 07:01:05 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> > >>>> wrote in alt.atheism: > >>>>> On Jun 28, 12:21?am, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: > >>>>>> rbwinn wrote: > >>>> ... > >>>>>>> No, you were trying to hedge your bets. ?You do not believe in > >>>>>>> faith, > >>>>>>> but you are "on the edge of faith", so that counts in case you > >>>>>>> need to > >>>>>>> have faith. ?I know how atheists think. > >>>>>> Why would I need to hedge my bets? I believe in faith, I just don't > >>>>>> think it's rational. And believe me, you really *don't* know how > >>>>>> atheists think.- Hide quoted text - > >>>>>> - Show quoted text - > >>>>> I know far better than atheists how they think. ?They have made a > >>>>> wrong choice, so their options are limited. > >>>> Your lies are indefensible. You celebrate the evil that you have > >>>> fallen > >>>> into. > >>> I thought you atheists did not believe evil exists. If there is no > >>> devil, everything is good, isn't it? > >> Evil sounds like a religious concept to me, but why would you think > >> that > >> we can't differentiate right from wrong. Another strawman? > > >> We seem to be able to discuss without lying, can you?- Hide quoted > >> text - > > >> - Show quoted text - > > > Sure. A while back you were saying that there was nothing wrong with > > killing children before they are born. So are you saying that killing > > children before they are born is a good thing? > > Where did I say that? Can you show me, or is that another lie? Abortion > is deeply unpleasant, however I don't think it should be banned. They're > not children yet, by the way.- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - Not children yet? What do you think they are? =============== Technically speaking, they are parasites living off a grown female. |