Does God need to prove He exists?
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From: BuddyThunder on 29 Jun 2008 03:23 rbwinn wrote: > On Jun 28, 7:00�am, Free Lunch <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote: >> On Sat, 28 Jun 2008 06:47:11 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> >> wrote in alt.atheism: >> >>> On Jun 27, 9:26�pm, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: >>>> rbwinn wrote: >> ... >> >>>>> Well, I was the one who pointed out that the Bible in three books of >>>>> the Old Testament describes the construction of Hezekiah's tunnel. >>>>> Atheists still do not believe Hezekiah's tunnel exists. >>>> And you think London is a myth.- Hide quoted text - >>>> - Show quoted text - >>> No, I actually have a friend from London. �He says that Harry Potter >>> does not exist. �I think you should actually consider that >>> possibility. � I know this might be difficult for an atheist to do. >> There is a tunnel called Hezekiah's tunnel. That does not mean that the >> supposed authors of the Bible ever existed or wrote what was claimed >> that they wrote or that what was written ever happened. >> >> A few random facts in the Bible does not make the Bible true. This has >> been explained to you, so, it appears to me that you are just being >> stiff necked in playing your dishonest game. You mock the God you claim >> to worship with this behavior. Maybe you are just playing Loki. > > Well, the tunnel got there some way. Why do you believe the Biblical > account is wrong? Because it's extraordinary supernatural claims are totally unsupported by evidence.
From: Alex W. on 29 Jun 2008 06:58 "BuddyThunder" <nospam(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote in message news:486737ee$1(a)clear.net.nz... > rbwinn wrote: >> I know. Abortion was imported here from Europe. > > I'm not European either. <shrug> Pakeha?
From: rbwinn on 29 Jun 2008 10:10 On Jun 29, 12:04 am, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: > rbwinn wrote: > > On Jun 28, 6:36 am, mizlee <miz...(a)aol.com> wrote: > >> On Jun 27, 9:47 pm, rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote: > > >>> On Jun 27, 9:04 am, mizlee <miz...(a)aol.com> wrote: > >>>> On Jun 27, 8:37�am, rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote: > >>>>> Teachers hired to teach in public schools are trained in college to > >>>>> teach atheism. > >>>>> Robert B. Winn- > >>>> As a former public school teacher, I am in a really, really good > >>>> position to tell you that you are an absolute, bald-faced liar, in > >>>> addition to being a barking mad looney.  Seriously, dude, you need > >>>> professional help. > >>> So how did you get a teaching job if you did not go to college? > >>> Robert B. Winn > >> As a matter of fact, you lying whackjob, I have gone to three > >> colleges, and have degrees from all of them.  And you are still an > >> absolute, bald-faced-liar, in addition to being a barking mad looney. > >> But, by all means, keep posting.  The more that rational people are > >> exposed to those of your deluded ilk, the more they are turned off by > >> religion.  It really is no coincidence, you know, that young people in > >> particular are rejecting religion in droves, especially christianity, > >> and over all, people who self describe themselves as having no > >> religion have doubled in the last ten years.  The PEW Forum puts the > >> unaffiliated at 16%, the largest since the American Revolution; they > >> are increasingly disgusted with the baggage of religion - intolerance, > >> bigotry, hatred, self-righteousness, anti-abortion, anti stem-cell > >> research, anti-everything-progressive - and are now the second-largest > >> "religious" group in the country.  Keep it up, you are a perfect > >> representative of everything that is evil in this country.- Hide quoted text - > > >> - Show quoted text - > > > Well, but I do not deny the existence of Hezekiah's tunnel the way > > atheists do. > > Did you know that the Bible prophesies that in the last days men would > > be lovers of themselves more than lovers of God? > > No, but you're happy to ignore London in the South of England. Weird, > that! The Bible says lots of stuff. Like bats are birds.- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - Well, I do not completely ignore London. I have a friend who is from London. Robert B. Winn
From: rbwinn on 29 Jun 2008 10:23 On Jun 29, 12:07 am, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: > rbwinn wrote: > > On Jun 28, 2:09 pm, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: > >> rbwinn wrote: > >>> On Jun 28, 7:02�am, Free Lunch <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote: > >>>> On Sat, 28 Jun 2008 06:56:16 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> > >>>> wrote in alt.atheism: > >>>>> On Jun 28, 12:11�am, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: > >>>>>> rbwinn wrote: > >>>>>>> On Jun 27, 6:37?pm, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: > >>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: > >>>>>>>>> On Jun 22, 12:57 pm, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>>> ask other readers here to help me recompose them with a grammar and > >>>>>>>>>>>> vocabulary appropos for a first or second grade pupil so you can comprehend > >>>>>>>>>>>> and then answer them. > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Robert B. Winn > >>>>>>>>>>> All public schools are required to teach atheism. > >>>>>>>>>> Please explain how, specifically, they are doing that. Sounding like > >>>>>>>>>> another sacred lie...- Hide quoted text - > >>>>>>>>>> - Show quoted text - > >>>>>>>>> Teachers hired to teach in public schools are trained in college to > >>>>>>>>> teach atheism. > >>>>>>>> Is it explicit in their contract? Can you justify that claim? <chirpiing > >>>>>>>> crickets>- Hide quoted text - > >>>>>>> Well, yes it is explicit in their contract. �If someone prayed in > >>>>>>> school the way my sixth grade teacher did, he would be fired. > >>>>>> I didn't know they had a prayer clause in there. You learn something new > >>>>>> every day. Don't you think religion belongs at home, not at school?- Hide quoted text - > >>>>>> - Show quoted text - > >>>>> Well, the Bible says that true religion is to help the widow and the > >>>>> fatherless in their time of affliction. �Why shouldn't widows and > >>>>> fatherless people be helped at school? > >>>> They are helped by schooling. Prayer does nothing at all.- Hide quoted text - > >>>> - Show quoted text - > >>> Well, I went all the way through high school.  They were not teaching > >>> anything that helped me much. > >> I don't believe that your difficulties with functioning in the real > >> world is the fault of your educators.- Hide quoted text - > > >> - Show quoted text - > > > Well, a while back you were saying that the teacher I had that used to > > pray in school was guilty of child abuse.  What made you change your > > mind? > > Where did I say that again? The teacher *was* certainly wrong to pray at > children. > > Do you have difficulty following conversations? You reach... unusual > conclusions.- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - No, I do not have difficulty following conversations. Atheists said that there was nothing in the Bible that could be proven. I said that three books of the Old Testament describe the construction of Hezekiah's tunnel, and sure enough, there is a tunnel right where the Bible says there is. Atheists say, That does not prove there was a tunnel dug where the Bible says there was because atheists do not believe anything in the Bible. So far that has been the extent of this conversation. Robert B. Winn
From: rbwinn on 29 Jun 2008 10:24
On Jun 29, 12:08 am, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: > rbwinn wrote: > > On Jun 28, 2:08 pm, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: > >> rbwinn wrote: > >>> On Jun 28, 12:11 am, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: > >>>> rbwinn wrote: > >>>>> On Jun 27, 6:37�pm, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: > >>>>>> rbwinn wrote: > >>>>>>> On Jun 22, 12:57 pm, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: > >>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: > >>>>>>>>>> ask other readers here to help me recompose them with a grammar and > >>>>>>>>>> vocabulary appropos for a first or second grade pupil so you can comprehend > >>>>>>>>>> and then answer them. > >>>>>>>>>>> Robert B. Winn > >>>>>>>>> All public schools are required to teach atheism. > >>>>>>>> Please explain how, specifically, they are doing that. Sounding like > >>>>>>>> another sacred lie...- Hide quoted text - > >>>>>>>> - Show quoted text - > >>>>>>> Teachers hired to teach in public schools are trained in college to > >>>>>>> teach atheism. > >>>>>> Is it explicit in their contract? Can you justify that claim? <chirpiing > >>>>>> crickets>- Hide quoted text - > >>>>> Well, yes it is explicit in their contract.  If someone prayed in > >>>>> school the way my sixth grade teacher did, he would be fired. > >>>> I didn't know they had a prayer clause in there. You learn something new > >>>> every day. Don't you think religion belongs at home, not at school?- Hide quoted text - > >>>> - Show quoted text - > >>> Well, the Bible says that true religion is to help the widow and the > >>> fatherless in their time of affliction.  Why shouldn't widows and > >>> fatherless people be helped at school? > >> Feel free to offer some actual help rather than religion. Unless you can > >> show that you're right and everyone else is wrong, but you're not doing > >> well on that score.- Hide quoted text - > > >> - Show quoted text - > > > Well, we religious people spend time helping widows and fatherless > > people.  How are you atheists doing with that? > > Deluded people do not have the altruism market cornered, no matter what > you'd like to believe.- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - So you are saying that you actually believe some religious people are helping widows and orphans. That is very open minded for an atheist. Robert B. Winn |