Does God need to prove He exists?
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From: rbwinn on 29 Jun 2008 18:48 On Jun 29, 10:55�am, "Alex W." <ing...(a)yahoo.co.uk> wrote: > "rbwinn" <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote in message > > news:6ba076e7-8a36-4286-be86-11052530ded2(a)k13g2000hse.googlegroups.com... > > Well, you have to understand that no man knoweth the day and the > hour. �Anyone who claims they do will be proven wrong. > > =============== > > Wrong. > > http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/article.php?scid=8&did=190 Well, the subject we were discussing was the Second Coming of Christ. Are you saying that this information about executions is somehow relevant? Robert b. Winn
From: rbwinn on 29 Jun 2008 18:49 On Jun 29, 10:57�am, "Alex W." <ing...(a)yahoo.co.uk> wrote: > "rbwinn" <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote in message > > news:1c31d316-2b91-43f6-b6c0-3fb4dbf97774(a)z72g2000hsb.googlegroups.com... > On Jun 29, 12:13 am, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: > > > > > > > rbwinn wrote: > > > On Jun 28, 2:15 pm, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: > > >> rbwinn wrote: > > >>> On Jun 28, 7:04?am, Free Lunch <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote: > > >>>> On Sat, 28 Jun 2008 07:01:05 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> > > >>>> wrote in alt.atheism: > > >>>>> On Jun 28, 12:21?am, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: > > >>>>>> rbwinn wrote: > > >>>> ... > > >>>>>>> No, you were trying to hedge your bets. ?You do not believe in > > >>>>>>> faith, > > >>>>>>> but you are "on the edge of faith", so that counts in case you > > >>>>>>> need to > > >>>>>>> have faith. ?I know how atheists think. > > >>>>>> Why would I need to hedge my bets? I believe in faith, I just don't > > >>>>>> think it's rational. And believe me, you really *don't* know how > > >>>>>> atheists think.- Hide quoted text - > > >>>>>> - Show quoted text - > > >>>>> I know far better than atheists how they think. ?They have made a > > >>>>> wrong choice, so their options are limited. > > >>>> Your lies are indefensible. You celebrate the evil that you have > > >>>> fallen > > >>>> into. > > >>> I thought you atheists did not believe evil exists. If there is no > > >>> devil, everything is good, isn't it? > > >> Evil sounds like a religious concept to me, but why would you think > > >> that > > >> we can't differentiate right from wrong. Another strawman? > > > >> We seem to be able to discuss without lying, can you?- Hide quoted > > >> text - > > > >> - Show quoted text - > > > > Sure. A while back you were saying that there was nothing wrong with > > > killing children before they are born. So are you saying that killing > > > children before they are born is a good thing? > > > Where did I say that? Can you show me, or is that another lie? Abortion > > is deeply unpleasant, however I don't think it should be banned. They're > > not children yet, by the way.- Hide quoted text - > > > - Show quoted text - > > Not children yet? �What do you think they are? > > =============== > > Technically speaking, they are parasites living off a grown female.- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - Well, thank you for your answer, Alex. So human beings are nothing except parasites in atheist theology. Robert B. Winn
From: raven1 on 29 Jun 2008 18:52 On Sun, 29 Jun 2008 15:23:58 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwinn3(a)juno.com> wrote: >The Supreme Court and other atheists imposed abortion on the United >States. Actually, abortion was legal in many States before Roe v. Wade, which, incidentally, does *not* allow for unrestricted abortion rights: under the decision, States may restrict it during the second trimester, and ban it outright during the third. Nor is there anything to suggest that anyone on the SCOTUS at that time was an atheist. Are you capable of writing a single sentence without committing multiple errors of fact?
From: raven1 on 29 Jun 2008 18:56 On Sun, 29 Jun 2008 15:15:20 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwinn3(a)juno.com> wrote: >I just believe what Paul said. You seem a little upset that I do not >believe your fable. Paul had nothing to say about evolution.
From: rbwinn on 29 Jun 2008 18:56
On Jun 29, 12:57 pm, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: > rbwinn wrote: > > On Jun 29, 12:07 am, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: > >> rbwinn wrote: > >>> On Jun 28, 2:09 pm, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: > >>>> rbwinn wrote: > >>>>> On Jun 28, 7:02�am, Free Lunch <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote: > >>>>>> On Sat, 28 Jun 2008 06:56:16 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> > >>>>>> wrote in alt.atheism: > >>>>>>> On Jun 28, 12:11�am, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: > >>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: > >>>>>>>>> On Jun 27, 6:37?pm, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 22, 12:57 pm, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> ask other readers here to help me recompose them with a grammar and > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> vocabulary appropos for a first or second grade pupil so you can comprehend > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> and then answer them. > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Robert B. Winn > >>>>>>>>>>>>> All public schools are required to teach atheism. > >>>>>>>>>>>> Please explain how, specifically, they are doing that. Sounding like > >>>>>>>>>>>> another sacred lie...- Hide quoted text - > >>>>>>>>>>>> - Show quoted text - > >>>>>>>>>>> Teachers hired to teach in public schools are trained in college to > >>>>>>>>>>> teach atheism. > >>>>>>>>>> Is it explicit in their contract? Can you justify that claim? <chirpiing > >>>>>>>>>> crickets>- Hide quoted text - > >>>>>>>>> Well, yes it is explicit in their contract. �If someone prayed in > >>>>>>>>> school the way my sixth grade teacher did, he would be fired. > >>>>>>>> I didn't know they had a prayer clause in there. You learn something new > >>>>>>>> every day. Don't you think religion belongs at home, not at school?- Hide quoted text - > >>>>>>>> - Show quoted text - > >>>>>>> Well, the Bible says that true religion is to help the widow and the > >>>>>>> fatherless in their time of affliction. �Why shouldn't widows and > >>>>>>> fatherless people be helped at school? > >>>>>> They are helped by schooling. Prayer does nothing at all.- Hide quoted text - > >>>>>> - Show quoted text - > >>>>> Well, I went all the way through high school.  They were not teaching > >>>>> anything that helped me much. > >>>> I don't believe that your difficulties with functioning in the real > >>>> world is the fault of your educators.- Hide quoted text - > >>>> - Show quoted text - > >>> Well, a while back you were saying that the teacher I had that used to > >>> pray in school was guilty of child abuse.  What made you change your > >>> mind? > >> Where did I say that again? The teacher *was* certainly wrong to pray at > >> children. > > >> Do you have difficulty following conversations? You reach... unusual > >> conclusions.- Hide quoted text - > > >> - Show quoted text - > > > No, I do not have difficulty following conversations.  Atheists said > > that there was nothing in the Bible that could be proven.  I said that > > three books of the Old Testament describe the construction of > > Hezekiah's tunnel, and sure enough, there is a tunnel right where the > > Bible says there is.  Atheists say, That does not prove there was a > > tunnel dug where the Bible says there was because atheists do not > > believe anything in the Bible.  So far that has been the extent of > > this conversation. > > Not true. You have been unable to back up your claims about what > atheists have said. I've never denied the tunnel's existence. It is a > non sequitor to get from "there's a tunnel as described in the Bible" to > "god exists". There's some magical step in the middle there that you've > been unable to articulate.- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - Well, in my opinion we will never go any further than the scripture in Isaiah that says a conduit for water was dug between Gihon spring and the Pool of Siloam. But notice one thing. We have already probably set the record for the length of a conversation between atheists and a Christian. Now atheists will no doubt say that the conversation was not inspiring for them. But at this point the goal is to establish that a conversation of more than a few words can take place between an atheist and a normal person. Robert B. Winn |