From: Lloyd Parker on
In article <epq5uj$8qk_001(a)s856.apx1.sbo.ma.dialup.rcn.com>,
jmfbahciv(a)aol.com wrote:
>In article <epl3ru$6ev$9(a)blue.rahul.net>,
> kensmith(a)green.rahul.net (Ken Smith) wrote:
>>In article <epku7f$8qk_009(a)s957.apx1.sbo.ma.dialup.rcn.com>,
>> <jmfbahciv(a)aol.com> wrote:
>>>In article <epgg4o$a46$5(a)blue.rahul.net>,
>>> kensmith(a)green.rahul.net (Ken Smith) wrote:
>>>>In article <M9GdnS-x7KLMOSbYnZ2dnUVZ8qugnZ2d(a)pipex.net>,
>>>>T Wake <usenet.es7at(a)gishpuppy.com> wrote:
>>>>[....]
>>>>>Which country has invaded the US?
>>>>
>>>>Pakistan. Didn't you hear about 7/11. :)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Note to nonUSAians: Yes, that is a joke. 7/11 is a type of store and a
>>>>stereotype is that they are run by pakistanies.
>>>>
>>>Those people really like our brand of capitalism. Do you think
>>>they want to go back to the "old ways"?
>>
>>Your arument seems to have turned on it heals here.
>
>Not at all. These people are very good at surviving no matter
>what the politics are. The way Muslims survive, when they
>are in the moderate category, is to keep their mouths shut
>and never say no to violent faction of their community.
>
>Until these moderates believe that there is a country who
>will protect them with all its military might, they aren't
>going to dare to say no to the violent factions. For the
>last two years, before the US' Novemeber elections, the
>moderates started to talk against the violence. Then
>the Democrats took majority in Congress. Now the moderates
>will shut up and see if those Democrats will protect them.
>It took Bush 6 years to get these moderates to voice their
>opinions. It took about 1 week for the Democrats to shut
>them up. These moderates have to learn to talk back to
>the Democrats who aren't dealing with the real problems.
>It will take time for these moderates to figure that out
>and take a chance.
>
>I don't think there is enough time for that to happen.
>
>/BAH

The "real problem" is that by invading and occupying a Moslem country, we've
created many, many Moslem terrorists.
From: Lloyd Parker on
In article <epq6o6$8qk_005(a)s856.apx1.sbo.ma.dialup.rcn.com>,
jmfbahciv(a)aol.com wrote:
>In article <epo4a4$kra$2(a)leto.cc.emory.edu>,
> lparker(a)emory.edu (Lloyd Parker) wrote:
>>In article <9d81f$45bf6f6d$4fe7196$2020(a)DIALUPUSA.NET>,
>> unsettled <unsettled(a)nonsense.com> wrote:
>>>Lloyd Parker wrote:
>>>
>>>> In article <epne6r$8ss_002(a)s827.apx1.sbo.ma.dialup.rcn.com>,
>>>> jmfbahciv(a)aol.com wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>In article <45BE0B7D.D6FA8748(a)hotmail.com>,
>>>>> Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>jmfbahciv(a)aol.com wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>unsettled wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Only losing nations and their executives ever face the
>>>>>>>>>consequences. No nation or national executive engages
>>>>>>>>>in war with the thought of losing.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Hmmmm, well there's more than few in the UK who would like to see Tony
>>>>>
>>>>>Blair
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>prosecuted for war crimes.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Under whose law? Islam's?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Under British law you nitwit. Britain is a signatory to the Geneva
>>>>>
>>>>>Conventions
>>>>>
>>>>>>you know.
>>>>>
>>>>>So you want your political leaders to be punished for
>>>>>trying to do their job. That kind of thinking must
>>>>>give lots of encouragement to those who intend to
>>>>>destroy your lifestyle.
>>>>>
>>>>>/BAH
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The sovereign being above the law went out in the US around 1776. I
doubt
>>it
>>>> applies in the UK any longer either.
>>>
>>>Not completely. Judicial immunity and a few other features
>>>arise out of sovereign immunity. This has been discussed in
>>>SCOTUS opinions more than a few times.
>>>
>>
>>But not sovereign immunity (or Nixon wouldn't have needed that pardon).
>
>Nixon didn't need the pardon; the United States of America
>needed that pardon.

Huh? If Nixon couldn't have been prosecuted, neither he nor the US would have
gone through anything.

>You may not remember the villification
>Ford received because he took away all chances of getting
>revenge.
>
>/BAH

Sure do. But again, if there was no way to "get revenge", why the pardon?
From: Lloyd Parker on
In article <epq6t0$8qk_006(a)s856.apx1.sbo.ma.dialup.rcn.com>,
jmfbahciv(a)aol.com wrote:
>In article <45BF4AF7.6D3EA07(a)hotmail.com>,
> Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>jmfbahciv(a)aol.com wrote:
>>
>>> I don't expect them to do a damned thing about Iran's atomic
>>> bombs.
>>
>>Iran has no atomic bombs.
>
>The news was reported that Iran started up their
>centrifuges this week.
>
>Just out of curiosity, do you keep a stick of TNT from blowing
>up by pulling the lit fuse when the fire is 1/4" away from
>the stick or by storing the fuses and the sticks in separate
>buildings?
>
>/BAH

Do you call it a bomb if all the person has is some paper, cord, and sulfur?
From: Lloyd Parker on
In article <43337$45c09f0f$4fe73f1$10111(a)DIALUPUSA.NET>,
unsettled <unsettled(a)nonsense.com> wrote:
>Eeyore wrote:
>
>>
>> jmfbahciv(a)aol.com wrote:
>>
>>
>>>I'll talk about the fighting that happened under Truman after WWII.
>>>AT that time, none of the European free countries were in any
>>>position to wage the coming fights that were to be called the
>>>Cold War. Yet these same countries did not want Communism to
>>>spread. So the US was the only country who had enough resources
>>>to lead and do most of the supplying.
>>
>>
>> It was the USA who was most concerned about communism spreading and it
wasn't
>> happening in Europe either.
>
>Europe victimized some of her own by sacrificing a group
>of countries to Stalin forming a buffer between themselves
>and Communism. That's how frightened and concerned Europe
>was of the spread of Communism.
>

Well, considering the Red Army was sitting in those countries, it wasn't like
there was much of a choice.

And the Sovs did pull out of Austria, remember.

>An interesting facet of that sacrifice is the on going
>diminution of those nations by western Europe as part of
>the self-justification process. Quite similarly the
>Baltic Nations were also sacrificed because they held
>no value to western Europe.
>
From: Lloyd Parker on
In article <epqapu$lk3$4(a)blue.rahul.net>,
kensmith(a)green.rahul.net (Ken Smith) wrote:
>In article <5t-dna_xAOwBIiLYnZ2dnUVZ8taknZ2d(a)pipex.net>,
>T Wake <usenet.es7at(a)gishpuppy.com> wrote:
>[.....]
>>> Come on now, they have to play to the electorate.
>>
>>That is why a real regime change would be a winner in my book :-)
>
>There could be a change for the worse. Not all regime change is for the
>better.

Case in point: When the US put the shah back into power, overthrowing an
elected leader in Iran. Talk about a "butterfly effect"!

>Right now the direction seems to be for the better. Bush only
>has 2 more years. He can make a very big mess in that much time but given
>a few hundred years the US should recover.
>
>
>>
>>
>
>