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From: T Wake on 9 Oct 2006 08:21 "Eeyore" <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message news:45298A7D.E5A2728E(a)hotmail.com... > > > John Fields wrote: > >> And, generally, speaking, airliners don't stray miles away from >> their flight paths > > What gave you the idea it had ? > >> and do respond when contacted by the military. >> >> To not do so _is_ madness. > > It did ! > > Reading a bit more..... > > " When Carlson [commanding officer of the USS Sides which was nearby] > concluded that > the Vincennes was referring to IR655 when making its warning to turn away > or receive > fire ( on a military frequency only - my comment ) he urgently warned > IR655 on a > civilian freqency that it was in danger, having been mistaken for a > military craft and > should turn away. IR655 immediately complied and changed course onto a > trajectory away > from the Vincennes. The Vincennes fired regardless. " > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran_Air_Flight_655#Independent_sources > I never noticed that. Makes things a bit gloomier. For me personally, the purpose of this branch of the debate is not to seek closure on the incident but to highlight the "world image" problem that America suffers from.
From: T Wake on 9 Oct 2006 08:28 "John Larkin" <jjlarkin(a)highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote in message news:iq1ji2t66ov05f69i8oamaop8nq107jigb(a)4ax.com... > On Sun, 08 Oct 2006 20:29:08 GMT, Jan Panteltje > <pNaonStpealmtje(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > >>Veil seeking missiles serve 2 things: >>1) The fear for them will keep the veils away and preserve our society. >>2) It will keep the veils away and preserve our society. >> > > Do you really think that women wearing veils is a threat to your > society? How fragile that sounds. A society that weak is likely to destroy itself anyway.
From: T Wake on 9 Oct 2006 08:34 "Frithiof Andreas Jensen" <frithiof.jensen(a)die_spammer_die.ericsson.com> wrote in message news:egd3l1$8v7$1(a)news.al.sw.ericsson.se... > > "John Larkin" <jjlarkin(a)highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote in > message > news:iq1ji2t66ov05f69i8oamaop8nq107jigb(a)4ax.com... >> On Sun, 08 Oct 2006 20:29:08 GMT, Jan Panteltje >> <pNaonStpealmtje(a)yahoo.com> wrote: >> >> >Veil seeking missiles serve 2 things: >> >1) The fear for them will keep the veils away and preserve our society. >> >2) It will keep the veils away and preserve our society. >> > >> >> Do you really think that women wearing veils is a threat to your >> society? How fragile that sounds. > > In much the same way that skinheads wearing "hagen-kreutz" are - the > wearers > boldly avertise that they are outsiders that want a different society > where the > outsider-norms are the rule. > Shall we have a society where every one has to dress the same then? Lets kill those who wear kilts, or those who visit Goth bars, I am all for killing everyone who wears a purple edged robe.
From: T Wake on 9 Oct 2006 08:42 "Eeyore" <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message news:452991BA.114E542B(a)hotmail.com... > > > Ken Smith wrote: > >> In article <45298B1B.CC24AF11(a)hotmail.com>, >> Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> wrote: >> >Ken Smith wrote: >> >> Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> wrote: >> >> >mmeron(a)cars3.uchicago.edu wrote: >> >> >>kensmith(a)green.rahul.net (Ken Smith) writes: >> >> >> >> >> >> >It nicely rebuts the claim that the warning of Pakistan was the >> >> >> >reason he [OBL] survived. >> >> >> >> >> >> That's not the claim (not mine, at least). Just that the warning >> >> >> of >> >> >> Pakistan is an indication of lack of seriousness about the whole >> >> >> affair. >> >> > >> >> >What warning ? >> >> >> >> When Mr. Bill sent missiles to blow up OBL a call was made to Pakistan >> >> to >> >> let them know that the missiles were not from India. IIRC, the >> >> missiles >> >> were in flight when the call was made. >> > >> >And how does that affect the outcome wrt OBL ? >> >> It didn't. In the fictionalized story they showed on ABC some time back >> they had this as a plot element. Much like the rumor being started that >> the russians had silent subs after "Hunt or Red October" got published, >> some of the plot lines from that story have crept into the culture as >> accepted fact. > > Thanks for that explanation. Article in this weeks new scientist about this. People get caught up in fictionalised events (in the NS article it is things they have made up and later "remember" as real). It is strange but it happens all the time - people make all manner of mental leaps based on fiction portrayed in the media and eventually it becomes assumed as a "fact."
From: T Wake on 9 Oct 2006 08:43
"John Larkin" <jjlarkin(a)highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote in message news:bt3ji2hgnc7vljlf8vr26rmtrk9h57oj3t(a)4ax.com... > On Sun, 8 Oct 2006 23:12:29 +0100, "T Wake" > <usenet.es7at(a)gishpuppy.com> wrote: > > >>>>When were Muslims a world power? >>>> >>> >>> google "muslim empire" for the details. >> >>I assume you are harping on about the Ottoman Empire. > > Suggesting a google search is hardly harping on, and I mentioned no > empire by name. No, that is why I highlighted the fact it was an "assumption." Sorry if "harping" offended you. >>Now, going back to the question, when were "Muslims" a world power. The >>Ottoman empire was a Muslim empire, but not all Muslims were inside the >>empire. The statement I was objecting to makes the (sadly common) mistake >>of >>treating "Muslims" as a single entity. > > So write a letter of complaint to google. I didn't Google search it. I made a judgement call on the most likely result. It was not Google who used it in context in the debate though. |