Microwave brain scrambler?
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From: Winston on 14 Mar 2010 04:18 On 3/13/2010 10:11 PM, Dirk Bruere at NeoPax wrote: > On 14/03/2010 05:59, Winston wrote: (...) >> Compare that with this if you would please: >> >> "Hello, FBI? I think I kind of passed out for a second >> at my local sandwich shop. >> I never got my change and my wallet is now missing." > > Like you said about the McD hot coffee - the complaints add up and in > this case it would be far less trivial. You do understand that the victims will not complain because they will never see any evidence that the transmitter even exists, yes? What will they have to complain about? There will be no evidence. (I may have forgotten to make that point.) Evidence. <-- The victims will never see it. > And when Mr FBI asks the store > manager what happened, such is his loyalty to the corporation that said > manager will happily go to prison for obstructing the investigation. Mr. FBI will never be involved. No crimes will be committed because no law enforcement agency will ever be equipped to detect the transmitter. Even if you grabbed Eliot Ness by the collar, lifted a drop ceiling panel and smacked a yardstick on the rim of the parabolic antenna: 1) He is not going to "officially" know what he's looking at. 2) If he does eventually understand what he is looking at, he can reasonably point out that there is no law against that gear in that place and that there is no evidence that it was used illegitimately. 3) He may reasonably point out the lack of case law defining microwave attack as 'assault'. 4) If pressed he will point out that the restaurant owner has every right to defend himself against armed robbers. This will not be just an 'uphill battle' for honest targets. It will be impossible for them because no one will ever understand that the transmitter is in place and being used immorally. > Anyway, the whole scheme of yours is just totally ludicrous from > technical, legal and logistical points of view. How so? Technically, a slightly larger antenna, higher carrier frequency and a good sized amplifier are the changes needed to my original outline. Dare I mention that multiple transmitters could provide excellent coverage? Legally, there is no prohibition against burning someone with a microwave beam (for example). It is not considered assault and perhaps never will be. For grins just now, I Googled ("case law" "microwave burn" assault) Got zero hits. That string is so unusual that it didn't even show up in any 'word salad' harvesting site. Logistically, a facilities installer working for cash on the side could get a packaged system up and running within a couple hours after arrival. > A total non-starter. If > you think otherwise, mortgage your house, build and test a device and > try and sell it to MacBurger for zapping customers. See you living in a > cardboard box... I would never do that because the transmitter will represent the darkest side of human thought. But mostly I feel that 'sunlight is the best disinfectant'. Thanks for your thoughts. --Winston
From: Winston on 14 Mar 2010 04:25 On 3/13/2010 10:29 PM, Dirk Bruere at NeoPax wrote: (...) > http://www.neopax.com/technomage/TechnoMageContents.pdf > > Chapter 9 I conclude that beginning on page 235 of a document you wrote, you present some opinions regarding electromagnetics. Good for you. :) --Winston
From: Winston on 14 Mar 2010 04:33 On 3/13/2010 10:55 PM, Dirk Bruere at NeoPax wrote: > A successful conspiracy doesn't work if it relies on several thousand > McBurger managers keeping their mouths shut. 1) It won't be illegal. Nobody 'conspires' to install doorknobs, for example. 2) By the time legal status is determined, it will be considered a necessary evil. Thanks for helping me understand this issue. --Winston
From: Winston on 14 Mar 2010 04:44 On 3/13/2010 11:38 PM, Dirk Bruere at NeoPax wrote: (...) > First off, Adey is warning about chronic exposure, not acute effects. Adey demonstrated that modulated non-ionizing radiation can replace legitimate interneural brain communication with 'garbage input', likely to tax and confuse the unfortunate owner of said brain. That is a key takeaway. > Beam spread primarily depends on dish size relative to carrier > wavelength. A low GHz beam can be quite spread limited with a large > dish. That's the basis of conventional microwave communications. And a high GHz beam can be sufficiently spread limited with a very small dish. > Also, for calcium ion resonance (cyclotron resonance) you also need an > external magnetic field to be matched to the radiation intensity. Resonance is not necessary. Dr. Adey showed that the indicator of calcium efflux was caused by modulated non-ionizing radiation. > Normally, that would be the geomagnetic field which being so weak limits > the effectiveness of the intensity of the carrier. So if you really want > to zap someone, you should place them in a powerful magnetic field to > start with. That isn't necessary or feasible largely due to the inverse cube nature of magnetic power density. > A lot of this sort of stuff was investigated by Persinger. A reference! Thank you! --Winston
From: Bill Sloman on 14 Mar 2010 09:41
On Mar 13, 8:01 pm, Winston <Wins...(a)bigbrother.net> wrote: > On 3/12/2010 11:49 PM,Bill Slomanwrote: > > > On Mar 12, 9:21 pm, Winston<Wins...(a)bigbrother.net> wrote: > > (...) > > >> How could that be? Who is the 'nailer'? > > > Disgruntled employee - not every manager has an attractive and > > sympathetic personality. > > Are disgruntled employees particularly powerful in your area > of the world? Do they have the power to investigate, arrest, > prosecute and jail offenders? In my area of the world, > government resources are given to managers in order to steal > from disgruntled employees. It is a different environment. One that presumably doesn't contain active trade unions, for a start. > Let me ask an entirely different question: > > Who is the 'nailer'? > > I can help here because there is no 'nailer'. You are out of your mind. The "nailer" is the disgrunteled employee who uses your mythical electro-magneitc weapon to "nail" the manager > Superman is a myth, Bill. Not a myth, but a comic-book hero, and totally irrelevant here. > >>> After you discover that the robber is actually a friend of the cashier > >>> and joking around and you lay him on the ground, make plans to sell > >>> off the business to pay legal costs and to spend a nice amount of time > >>> in jail. > > >> Are you seriously suggesting that a lawyer or judge would voluntarily > >> snuff out their career by prosecuting a case against their owners? > > > Prosecutors just love high profile cases. > > Sure, against the powerless. It's "votes in the bag" to pop a guy growing > pot for cancer victims. It is an honorable prosecution as well, yes? That may be your idea of a high profile case. People with a better grip on reality would differ. > Against powerful law breakers? Surely you jest. The Clinton administration went after Microsoft. > >>> Put a revolver under the register if you have such a problem with > >>> robbery. > > >> But this is *so* much more elegant! > > > Or would be, if it could work. > > It works just fine. For which implausible claim you advance what evidence? > >> Not only can the manager disable robbers, he can > >> use the system on honest employees and customers as well. > > > Or could, if it could work. > > It works great. If we use your over-fertile imagination as a test-bed. > >> The entertainment is endless because it is completely > >> undetectable. > > > A big dish antenna aobe a false ceiling, and the RF transmitter to > > drive it? > > I guess I didn't mention this but: > > "Of course it would be small and easy to hide. Pick a frequency that > beams well using a <12" diameter parabola yet still easily penetrates > through a couple inches of cranium to deposit 1 mW/ cm2 in the brain > over a distance of say 20 feet. > Pretty cheap and easy with suspended ceilings being as ubiquitous as > they are. " > > > A bit harder to hide that a hand-gun, and ripping it out and > > dumping it off the bridge would be a little more obvious, and leave > > more obvious traces, > > Why would removal be necessary? > The transmitter isn't illegal. > It isn't even considered immoral or even 'in poor taste'. Stick somebody elses head in a microwave and disable the door safety interlock, and you will find out that your action is considered both immoral and in poor taste. > It is a weapon used against the powerless, so why wouldn't law enforcement > and the courts be fully supportive of it if they were "officially" aware? > > > clown. > > You believe that I speak in jest? I do not. The humour resides in your belief that you are describing a practicable system. > >> The old guy on table #4. Just as he lifts his coffee cup, zap > >> him and he pours hot coffee all over his shirt! He gets up, > >> and attempts to get to the bathroom, zap him again so he hits > >> his head on the counter and soils himself at the same time. > > >> I don't think you grasp the hilarious possibilities here. > > >> There isn't any evidence it was ever used, other than the recollection > >> of the victim. Who is going to believe him (or her for that matter)? > > > Except the paper trail covers the papyments for the expensive > > installation, and the memories and records of the sub-contractors who > > did the work. > > Let's say I specialize in installation and servicing of these tools. > I know what they are for and I realize that in an enlightened > society use of the tools would be considered assault and attempted > murder; the users and I would be jailed for a long, long time. > > So my first move is to keep my activities far 'off the books'. > It's a cash deal only. My livelihood is dependent upon my discretion. > Ask any drug supplier to the rich and famous (unless you are also > convinced that they can never exist.) Drug dealers sell drugs that are grown and imported illegally. Your business couldn't support an "off the books" electronic inustry. > Why would I dump into my own breakfast by squealing? Your financial records - notably payments for electronic hardware - would give the game away. > > You don't understand much. > > Yes, it is a problem which I am solving, fact by fact. :) Imaginary fact by invented misconception. -- Bill Sloman, Nijmegen |