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From: ZnU on 11 Aug 2010 22:44 In article <e9f8b398-35c8-4e60-8a1e-6ebf32aab87c(a)z28g2000yqh.googlegroups.com>, ed <news(a)atwistedweb.com> wrote: > On Aug 11, 9:00�am, ZnU <z...(a)fake.invalid> wrote: > > �ed <n...(a)atwistedweb.com> wrote: > > > On Aug 10, 7:47�pm, ZnU <z...(a)fake.invalid> wrote: > > > > �KDT <scarface...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > On Aug 10, 6:15�pm, ZnU <z...(a)fake.invalid> wrote: > > > > > > > > With Sprint as well, for tethering and data-only plans. Sprint > > > > > > will basically only give you uncapped data to a handset, > > > > > > because they know it's really hard to actually use it there. > > > > > > > The 4G tethering plans (HTC Evo and soon Samsung) are unlimited > > > > > 3G/4G. > > > > > > Are they? Sprint's standalone "4G/3G Mobile Broadband Connection > > > > Plan" is unlimited 4G but 3G is capped at 5 GB. > > > > > you're talking about something different. �that's not tethering. > > > > No, for some reason the tethering plan on the EVO 4G (and as far as I > > can tell, the EVO 4G _alone_) works differently. > > i'm not sure what you're talking about now- you brought up the '4G/3G > Mobile Broadband Connection Plan' in response to the 4g tethering > plan? how's it relevant? KDT said 3G data was uncapped on the Evo tethering plan. I couldn't verify that directly on Sprint's site, and I wanted to make sure it was really true, because it's a bit odd -- it seems to be the _only_ way to get uncapped 3G data from Sprint. Both 3G-only tethering plans and 3G/4G data-only plans have capped 3G data. > > > > Which would be fine except that 4G is in so few markets. (Still > > > > nothing in NYC, for instance.) > > > > > well, mostly true regarding nyc- it's not launched, but the are > > > actively testing, towers are lit, and users can snag the signal and > > > use it. �not prime time, but for those who do have 4g devices > > > already, might as well try it out. � :D > > > > Well, my main interest was in pickup up one of those Clear Spot 4G+ > > devices for providing Internet to laptops on-set on video shoots. But > > despite the fact that the thing works on 3G, it seems like they won't > > sell me one because they don't officially have 4G coverage here. > > that's probably because clear only has a 4g network, and they use > sprint for 3g. they probably have to pay sprint based on usage, so > they want you on the 4g network. Yes, I assumed. -- "The game of professional investment is intolerably boring and over-exacting to anyone who is entirely exempt from the gambling instinct; whilst he who has it must pay to this propensity the appropriate toll." -- John Maynard Keynes
From: Todd Allcock on 11 Aug 2010 22:16 At 11 Aug 2010 09:59:52 -0700 ed wrote: > On Aug 11, 4:50 am, Todd Allcock <eleccon...(a)AnoOspamL.com> wrote: > > At 10 Aug 2010 16:20:19 -0700 ed wrote: > <snip> > > > verizon, iirc, required a data plan for blackberries before the > > > iphone- winmo devices on verizon started requiring data around the > > > time of the iphone. > > > > IIRC, BB and WinMo devices required data on VZW at about the same time- > > November, 2007, a few months after the iPhone launch. > > vz, had a weird thing going for a while where some winmo phones > required contracts and some didn't... we were cross shopping > iphones / bb / winmo right at that time. ;D Yeah, there as a cut-off date- phones released after the cut-off required data, older/discontinued phones didn't. For some reason Nov. 17, 2007 sticks in my head as that date, but I certainly could be wrong.
From: KDT on 11 Aug 2010 22:55 On Aug 11, 10:44 pm, ZnU <z...(a)fake.invalid> wrote: > In article > <e9f8b398-35c8-4e60-8a1e-6ebf32aab...(a)z28g2000yqh.googlegroups.com>, > > > > ed <n...(a)atwistedweb.com> wrote: > > On Aug 11, 9:00 am, ZnU <z...(a)fake.invalid> wrote: > > > ed <n...(a)atwistedweb.com> wrote: > > > > On Aug 10, 7:47 pm, ZnU <z...(a)fake.invalid> wrote: > > > > > KDT <scarface...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > > On Aug 10, 6:15 pm, ZnU <z...(a)fake.invalid> wrote: > > > > > > > > With Sprint as well, for tethering and data-only plans. Sprint > > > > > > > will basically only give you uncapped data to a handset, > > > > > > > because they know it's really hard to actually use it there. > > > > > > > The 4G tethering plans (HTC Evo and soon Samsung) are unlimited > > > > > > 3G/4G. > > > > > > Are they? Sprint's standalone "4G/3G Mobile Broadband Connection > > > > > Plan" is unlimited 4G but 3G is capped at 5 GB. > > > > > you're talking about something different. that's not tethering. > > > > No, for some reason the tethering plan on the EVO 4G (and as far as I > > > can tell, the EVO 4G _alone_) works differently. > > > i'm not sure what you're talking about now- you brought up the '4G/3G > > Mobile Broadband Connection Plan' in response to the 4g tethering > > plan? how's it relevant? > > KDT said 3G data was uncapped on the Evo tethering plan. I couldn't > verify that directly on Sprint's site, and I wanted to make sure it was > really true, because it's a bit odd -- it seems to be the _only_ way to > get uncapped 3G data from Sprint. Both 3G-only tethering plans and 3G/4G > data-only plans have capped 3G data. > Most authoritative source I could find.... http://community.sprint.com/baw/message/179854#179854 He is labeled as an employee
From: ZnU on 12 Aug 2010 00:28 In article <e835d3a6-1f61-4c41-b8b4-a3363f2d05da(a)c10g2000yqi.googlegroups.com>, KDT <scarface_74(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > On Aug 11, 10:44�pm, ZnU <z...(a)fake.invalid> wrote: > > In article > > <e9f8b398-35c8-4e60-8a1e-6ebf32aab...(a)z28g2000yqh.googlegroups.com>, > > > > > > > > �ed <n...(a)atwistedweb.com> wrote: > > > On Aug 11, 9:00�am, ZnU <z...(a)fake.invalid> wrote: > > > > �ed <n...(a)atwistedweb.com> wrote: > > > > > On Aug 10, 7:47�pm, ZnU <z...(a)fake.invalid> wrote: > > > > > > �KDT <scarface...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > > > On Aug 10, 6:15�pm, ZnU <z...(a)fake.invalid> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > With Sprint as well, for tethering and data-only plans. Sprint > > > > > > > > will basically only give you uncapped data to a handset, > > > > > > > > because they know it's really hard to actually use it there. > > > > > > > > > The 4G tethering plans (HTC Evo and soon Samsung) are unlimited > > > > > > > 3G/4G. > > > > > > > > Are they? Sprint's standalone "4G/3G Mobile Broadband Connection > > > > > > Plan" is unlimited 4G but 3G is capped at 5 GB. > > > > > > > you're talking about something different. �that's not tethering. > > > > > > No, for some reason the tethering plan on the EVO 4G (and as far as I > > > > can tell, the EVO 4G _alone_) works differently. > > > > > i'm not sure what you're talking about now- you brought up the '4G/3G > > > Mobile Broadband Connection Plan' in response to the 4g tethering > > > plan? �how's it relevant? > > > > KDT said 3G data was uncapped on the Evo tethering plan. I couldn't > > verify that directly on Sprint's site, and I wanted to make sure it was > > really true, because it's a bit odd -- it seems to be the _only_ way to > > get uncapped 3G data from Sprint. Both 3G-only tethering plans and 3G/4G > > data-only plans have capped 3G data. > > > > Most authoritative source I could find.... > > http://community.sprint.com/baw/message/179854#179854 > > He is labeled as an employee I believe you, it's just strange enough that I thought it was worth asking about. -- "The game of professional investment is intolerably boring and over-exacting to anyone who is entirely exempt from the gambling instinct; whilst he who has it must pay to this propensity the appropriate toll." -- John Maynard Keynes
From: Todd Allcock on 12 Aug 2010 00:52
At 11 Aug 2010 19:20:17 -0700 KDT wrote: > On Aug 11, 10:01 pm, Todd Allcock <eleccon...(a)AnoOspamL.com> wrote: > > At 11 Aug 2010 10:08:57 -0700 KDT wrote: > > > > > On Aug 11, 10:40 am, John Navas <spamfilt...(a)navasgroup.com> wrote: > > > > To be fair, there is one (free) iPhone app that I miss on Android: > > > > Dragon Dictation > > > > > > Otherwise, here is my list of favorite Android apps. > > > > Please let me know if you think there are iPhone apps that: > > > > (a) are significantly better than any of these apps, or > > > > (b) provide functionality missing in these apps that I would care > > > > about. > > > > <Snip app list> > > > > > You notice that almost all of those apps are basically simple thin > > > clients to server applications, that one developer and a QA tester > > > could knock out in less than a month? In other words, it goes to show > > > that developers aren't putting real money behind Android. Those > > > aren't exactly revolutionary apps. If that's the best Android has to > > > offer, you're not exactly helping your case. > > > > Funny, that seems to describe 90% of what's in the app store as well, > > (other than games.) > > And that's where most of the money is and many of the popular apps. Agreed, but it's pretty disingenuous to insult Andriod's crApps when the bulk of the iOS app store peddles the same caliber of app. > > > But we can start off with Amazon MP3. The whole process of buying, > > > managing, and syncing media on the Android is severely lacking. > > > > Android devices can simply load via drag-and-drop, and require no > > "management" software. I know a certain number of you are horrified that > > people can actually manage music manually without genius playlists or > > star ratings, but many of us do. > > Okay, tried managing podcasts that you subscribe to that way? I don't sit at my PC and listen to Podcasts. I subscribe to, download, and listen to them on my mobile, so for me, that's not an issue. I'll admit that syncing podcasts (with current playback position also syncing) in iTunes is a powerful feature if you listen on multiple devices. > I > thought creating "playlists" on the phone would be a simple matter of > creating sub folders in the Music folder like on most non-iPods. That > doesn't work. No, but if the files are properly tagged you can play them by artist or album, so the old style "m3u" type folder-based playlists should be unnecessary. > > And Android devices don't wipe out every song on them if you dare connect > > them to a second computer to add a song or movie. IMO (or should I say, > > in my "use scenario") the single-computer sync limitation negates every > > possible advantage iTunes sync offers, and I still have never heard _any_ > > plusible explanation why iPhones can only sync media with one computer, > > but iPod Touches can sync with more than one.. > > Uhh, it's called click on "Manually manage music", it's worked for the > iPhone for over 2 and a half years..... > > http://reviews.cnet.com/8301-19512_7-10115302-233.html > > iTunes 7.6 came out in January 2008. The iPhone came out in June > 2007. There was a grand total of *6 months* that this didn't work. It does NOT work on iPhones. Been there, done that, spent the hours rebuilding my wife's library. Adding anything from the second computer brings up a warning dialog telling you all media will be removed from the iPhone. If you don't believe me, try it- when you have the time to kill to repair the damage, of course. ;) I took nospam's advice once to go ahead and click through the warning prompt, and promptly wiped the phone's media content. In all fairness to nospam, he had only done it on a Touch, and any Reasonable Person(tm) would have no reason to believe the iPhone and iPod Touch would behave differently... ....but, sadly, they do. Equally annoying is iTunes inability to backup manually managed content. After an upgrade or restore you get to "manually manage" it all again from scratch. After a restore there is no media on the device- even the synced ringtones disappear. My workaround is to "sync checked music and video" only, but that isn't perfect either- every time you rip any CD into iTunes, those songs become checked by default and sync at the next connection if you don't manually uncheck them first. Plus, syncing Overdrive audio books (downloaded from lending libraries) requires you manually manage, so I get to choose between access to Overdrive content or ease of backup/restore. Hopefully the new Overdrive Console software for iPhone will allow direct-to-device downloads without iTunes, but I haven't had a chance to try it yet.. |