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From: nospam on 13 Aug 2010 00:42
In article <hvi966tfuhv8stqogqpthjhuf9mrt6sjd0(a)4ax.com>, John Navas
<spamfilter1(a)navasgroup.com> wrote:

> >> No, but if the files are properly tagged you can play them by artist or
> >> album, so the old style "m3u" type folder-based playlists should be
> >> unnecessary.
> >
> >I don't want to listen to the same artist. I want a playlist for when
> >I'm working out. I want a different playlist on my way home. I want
> >mellow background music, etc.
>
> Simple and easy on my Android, which also has other ways to play
> I prefer, like play by artist, album, genre, etc. All without having to
> mess with iTunes bloatware, which has a nasty habit of losing playlists
> when you try to do nontrivial things to your library.

were you manually editing the xml files or something? it works just
fine for the vast, vast majority of users.
From: ed on 13 Aug 2010 00:52
On Aug 12, 9:20 pm, KDT <scarface...(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Aug 12, 10:52 am, John Navas <spamfilt...(a)navasgroup.com> wrote:
>
> > >What about the apps you *buy*.  
>
> > That answer applies.
>
> So yet again I have to search through the Market place to redownload
> apps.  This is suppose to be easier than just plugging up the iPhone.

you don't need to go searching for anything- just do to your downloads
list in the market. a new phone will give you the option to
redownload everything, including paid apps, with one click.

> > >BTW, you sure are using a lot of
> > >programs to do what you could do with a single click of a button with
> > >the iPhone.
>
> > Similar capability on the iPhone takes as many apps.
>
> So I need one app to manage music, one app to manage sms messages, one
> app to backup (most) of the settings, one app to (barely) manage
> podcasts, one app to buy music, one app to get my contacts that aren't
> on Google already on Google, one app...

transfered contacts from an old phone get synced up to google.

<snip>
From: ZnU on 13 Aug 2010 04:39
In article <Cz39o.59092$dx7.28119(a)newsfe21.iad>,
Todd Allcock <elecconnec(a)AnoOspamL.com> wrote:

> At 12 Aug 2010 11:03:16 -0400 ZnU wrote:
> > In article <oNL8o.75231$xZ2.21096(a)newsfe07.iad>,
> > Todd Allcock <elecconnec(a)AnoOspamL.com> wrote:
> >
> > > At 11 Aug 2010 19:20:17 -0700 KDT wrote:
> > > > On Aug 11, 10:01�pm, Todd Allcock <eleccon...(a)AnoOspamL.com> wrote:
> > > > > At 11 Aug 2010 10:08:57 -0700 KDT wrote:
>
>
> > > > > > You notice that almost all of those apps are basically simple
> > > > > > thin clients to server applications, that one developer and a
> > > > > > QA tester could knock out in less than a month? In other words,
> > > > > > it goes to show that developers aren't putting real money
> > > > > > behind Android. �Those aren't exactly revolutionary apps. �If
> > > > > > that's the best Android has to offer, you're not exactly
> > > > > > helping your case.
> > > > >
> > > > > Funny, that seems to describe 90% of what's in the app store as
> > > > > well, (other than games.)
> > > >
> > > > And that's where most of the money is and many of the popular apps.
> > >
> > > Agreed, but it's pretty disingenuous to insult Andriod's crApps when
> > > the bulk of the iOS app store peddles the same caliber of app.
> >
> > Of course nobody is doing that. This subthread started off with the
> > following post by KDT:
> >
> > "Where? Have you compared the top apps on the Android Market and on the
> > Apple App store? I have an HTC Hero and an iPod Touch. The
> > difference in the quality of the top apps aren't even comparable."
> >
> > Comparing the _best_ apps for iOS and Android seems perfectly valid.
> >
>
>
> That's fair, but KDT was no longer referencing "top apps," but John
> Navas' personal list of important (to him) apps. KDT said those types of
> apps ("basically simple thin clients to server applications") were "where
> most of the money is and many of the popular apps..."
>
> So, if crApps are both the "popular" apps, and where "most of the money
> is," what are the "top apps?" Well designed, rich complex apps nobody
> buys?

Pretty sure he was saying most of the money was in games.

It's not hard to figure out which apps are making the most money on the
iPhone -- Apple has a "Top Grossing" list. As of right now, the top 20
is mostly games, but there's some other stuff in there -- some
navigation apps, a photo editing app, and iMovie.

Interestingly, the iPad top 20, while it has a bunch of games, skews
more toward productivity software, and includes all of the iWork apps, a
couple of to-do apps, etc.

> > > Equally annoying is iTunes inability to backup manually managed
> > > content. After an upgrade or restore you get to "manually manage" it
> > > all again from scratch. After a restore there is no media on the
> > > device- even the synced ringtones disappear. My workaround is to
> > > "sync checked music and video" only, but that isn't perfect either-
> > > every time you rip any CD into iTunes, those songs become checked by
> > > default and sync at the next connection if you don't manually uncheck
> > > them first. Plus, syncing Overdrive audio books (downloaded from
> > > lending libraries) requires you manually manage, so I get to choose
> > > between access to Overdrive content or ease of backup/restore.
> > > Hopefully the new Overdrive Console software for iPhone will allow
> > > direct-to-device downloads without iTunes, but I haven't had a chance
> > > to try it yet..
> >
> > Pretty sure this is another one of those situations where the Apple
> > approach works better for 99% of people, but a few geeks who prefer
> > more flexible less friendly approaches constantly complain about
> > iTunes in various Internet forums.
>
> I find it amazing that anytime something by Apple doesn't work, the
> scenario is either an "edge case" or the user is a "geek" who is doing it
> wrong.

It would be amazing if it were a coincidence. But of course it isn't.
It's a consequence of the fact that Apple very deliberately designs its
products precisely around the dominant use cases. And Apple is better at
this than pretty much anyone.

> Assuming that's true, what, then, is the correct "Apple approach" to
> synching a fixed set of songs/albums onto an iPhone? Not an ever
> changing rotating genius playlist of 4-star songs made between 1976 and
> 2004 written by people whose first names start with a vowel- just a
> simple group of a dozen or so specifically chosen albums.

Put them in a plain old non-smart playlist. Set iTunes to only sync
"Selected playlists, artists and genres", and select the playlist. I'm
not clear on exactly what the problem is supposed to be here. Do you
have some sort of aesthetic objection to indicating a specific subset of
your music to iTunes by putting it in a playlist rather than through
some other mechanism?

[snip]

--
"The game of professional investment is intolerably boring and over-exacting to
anyone who is entirely exempt from the gambling instinct; whilst he who has it
must pay to this propensity the appropriate toll." -- John Maynard Keynes
From: Todd Allcock on 13 Aug 2010 05:15
At 12 Aug 2010 21:24:41 -0700 nospam wrote:
> In article <Cz39o.59092$dx7.28119(a)newsfe21.iad>, Todd Allcock
> <elecconnec(a)AnoOspamL.com> wrote:
>
> > So, if I'm missing the correct "Apple approach" to sync a fixed
subset of
> > my iTunes library on an iPhone, I'm all ears.
>
> set it to sync selected playlists, which can be as many or as few as
> you want. if they're standard (not smart) playlists, nothing will
> change.


While that would likely work, you're saying the "Apple approach" is to
create playlists of the albums I want to sync, despite the fact that the
albums themselves are already properly ID tagged?

Perhaps I'm naive, but I always thought the "playlist" was a construct to
sync or play a group of songs from a variety of artists and albums;
essentially the iPod
equivalent of a "mix tape."

Using it to sync media already sharing the same attributes like "album"
or "artist" to overcome limitations in iTunes sounds dangerously close to
what we Windows folks would call a "kludge." ;) But if a kludge is the
"Apple approach", I can live with that. I suppose I could create a
single giant playlist of all music on my wife's iPhone and sync that one
playlist. That really reeks of "workaround" though...





From: ZnU on 13 Aug 2010 05:37
In article <_289o.12460$1v3.1637(a)newsfe20.iad>,
Todd Allcock <elecconnec(a)AnoOspamL.com> wrote:

> At 12 Aug 2010 21:24:41 -0700 nospam wrote:
> > In article <Cz39o.59092$dx7.28119(a)newsfe21.iad>, Todd Allcock
> > <elecconnec(a)AnoOspamL.com> wrote:
> >
> > > So, if I'm missing the correct "Apple approach" to sync a fixed
> subset of
> > > my iTunes library on an iPhone, I'm all ears.
> >
> > set it to sync selected playlists, which can be as many or as few
> > as you want. if they're standard (not smart) playlists, nothing
> > will change.
>
>
> While that would likely work, you're saying the "Apple approach" is
> to create playlists of the albums I want to sync, despite the fact
> that the albums themselves are already properly ID tagged?
>
> Perhaps I'm naive, but I always thought the "playlist" was a
> construct to sync or play a group of songs from a variety of artists
> and albums; essentially the iPod equivalent of a "mix tape."

A playlist is a manually or automatically selected subset of your music
library, optionally in a meaningful user-specified order, for whatever
purpose.

> Using it to sync media already sharing the same attributes like
> "album" or "artist" to overcome limitations in iTunes sounds
> dangerously close to what we Windows folks would call a "kludge." ;)
> But if a kludge is the "Apple approach", I can live with that. I
> suppose I could create a single giant playlist of all music on my
> wife's iPhone and sync that one playlist. That really reeks of
> "workaround" though...

I think most people have playlists based on certain types of music, or
certain listening contexts, and they just sync whatever playlists they
want to sync. They don't have to create explicit "Stuff to Sync" lists
because the things they want to sync are already on lists anyway.

I've never found anything especially kludgy about this, and I'm usually
_very_ annoyed by kludgy UI.

--
"The game of professional investment is intolerably boring and over-exacting to
anyone who is entirely exempt from the gambling instinct; whilst he who has it
must pay to this propensity the appropriate toll." -- John Maynard Keynes
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