From: John Navas on
on Wed, 11 Aug 2010 17:03:38 -0600, in
<4c632c4a$0$89386$815e3792(a)news.qwest.net>, Ted Nelson <ted(a)rnelson.org>
wrote:

>In article <50f3669fnag7pkao77g46mn9u9hb1ru1u0(a)4ax.com>,
> John Navas <spamfilter1(a)navasgroup.com> wrote:
>
>> >> The case on the device is similar to the one on the iPhone 4.
>> >> The only relevant difference is in the antenna placement.
>> >> Learn the differences and the similarities.
>> >
>> >what smartphone ships "in the raw" like the iphone 4?
>>
>> All of them.
>
>no, they all ship with plastic cases built onto / surrounding the body,
>so again, what smartphone ships "without" the plastic body besides the
>iPhone 4?

The iPhone 4 has a case like all other phones.
What makes it different from many phones is an exposed metal antenna,
but as I've already pointed out, there have been other phones with
exposed metal antennas (and they didn't have the iPhone 4 problem).

>> >please give an
>> >example or you are wrong.
>>
>> Who appointed you Rulemaker? ;)
>
>facts made the rules, not me.

What you're posting is personal perception, not fact.

--
John

"Assumption is the mother of all screw ups."
[Wethern�s Law of Suspended Judgement]
From: KDT on
On Aug 11, 6:47 pm, John Navas <spamfilt...(a)navasgroup.com> wrote:
> On Wed, 11 Aug 2010 13:19:20 -0700 (PDT), in
> <e0765b49-c30c-4ea3-94bd-476c7cfc9...(a)s9g2000yqd.googlegroups.com>, KDT
>
> <scarface...(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
> >On Aug 11, 2:32 pm, John Navas <spamfilt...(a)navasgroup.com> wrote:
> >> On Wed, 11 Aug 2010 11:08:36 -0700 (PDT), in
> >> <8bb1c782-b0aa-47e2-83ca-9d3145250...(a)m1g2000yqo.googlegroups.com>, KDT
> >> >Creating playlists on Android is a pain.
>
> >> Works fine here, thanks to the HTC Sense UI.
> >> (Should have included that in my list.)
>
> >Not as easy as managing on my computer and clicking a few buttons....
>
> As I said, works fine here.  YMMV.


I thought at least I could just create a folder under the music folder
and put songs in the folder and it be treated like a playlist like
most non-iPod music players, but not only does that not work, you have
to create the playlist on the phone, it messed up the album covers.

>
> >> MyBackup actually makes backup a snap (should have included that too),
> >> plus my Google data is in the cloud, and thus readily available to any
> >> connected device.
>
> >Actually it isn't.  Are the apps you bought stored in the cloud?
>
> Yes, because I back them up to SD card (which iPhone lacks) and computer
> and then to the cloud, where I keep backups of all important files.
> Plus I can just download them again from the Market.

What about the apps you *buy*. BTW, you sure are using a lot of
programs to do what you could do with a single click of a button with
the iPhone.

>
> >What about your text messages?
>
> Yes, Google Voice.  You should try it.

So now you have to use *five* programs to do what you can do with
*one* and just clicking a button?


>
> >Not only that, if you transfer
> >contacts from an old phone (like I did) they are not stored as Google
> >contacts.  Only new contacts are stored as Google contacts.
>
> *All* my contacts, old and new, are stored as Google Contacts in the
> cloud, because I *merge* contacts from other sources.  You should try
> it.
>

So exactly how do you get contacts off of your phone that were
transferred from another phone into your Google contact list -- yes I
know you can do it --- with yet another program. iTunes is sounding
better and better the more you post.

> >What
> >about the placement of your icons, bookmarks, passwords?
>
> MyBackup preserves the Home screen and bookmarks.
> My passwords are managed with KeePass, and also saved in the cloud.
>
> Anything else?
>


Wow just the duplicate the functionality of iTunes, you need *six*
different programs?
From: Todd Allcock on
At 11 Aug 2010 10:08:57 -0700 KDT wrote:
> On Aug 11, 10:40 am, John Navas <spamfilt...(a)navasgroup.com> wrote:

> > To be fair, there is one (free) iPhone app that I miss on Android:
> > Dragon Dictation
> >
> > Otherwise, here is my list of favorite Android apps.
> > Please let me know if you think there are iPhone apps that:
> > (a) are significantly better than any of these apps, or
> > (b) provide functionality missing in these apps that I would care
> > about.
> >
<Snip app list>


> You notice that almost all of those apps are basically simple thin
> clients to server applications, that one developer and a QA tester
> could knock out in less than a month? In other words, it goes to show
> that developers aren't putting real money behind Android. Those
> aren't exactly revolutionary apps. If that's the best Android has to
> offer, you're not exactly helping your case.

Funny, that seems to describe 90% of what's in the app store as well,
(other than games.) The vast majority of apps I've played with are
dedicated single- function RSS readers (CNN, USA Today, etc.,) repackaged
mobile web pages ("eBay," my bank's "app,") single purpose apps that
might just be browser bookmarks on a different device (radio station
player apps) or an app replicating a single function of a more general
app (nearest Coffee shop/bank ATM/hospital locator apps that just hook
the Google Maps API and save you the trouble of typing a search
parameter.)



> But we can start off with Amazon MP3. The whole process of buying,
> managing, and syncing media on the Android is severely lacking.



Android devices can simply load via drag-and-drop, and require no
"management" software. I know a certain number of you are horrified that
people can actually manage music manually without genius playlists or
star ratings, but many of us do.

And Android devices don't wipe out every song on them if you dare connect
them to a second computer to add a song or movie. IMO (or should I say,
in my "use scenario") the single-computer sync limitation negates every
possible advantage iTunes sync offers, and I still have never heard _any_
plusible explanation why iPhones can only sync media with one computer,
but iPod Touches can sync with more than one..


From: KDT on
On Aug 11, 10:01 pm, Todd Allcock <eleccon...(a)AnoOspamL.com> wrote:
> At 11 Aug 2010 10:08:57 -0700 KDT wrote:
>
> > On Aug 11, 10:40 am, John Navas <spamfilt...(a)navasgroup.com> wrote:
> > > To be fair, there is one (free) iPhone app that I miss on Android:
> > > Dragon Dictation
>
> > > Otherwise, here is my list of favorite Android apps.
> > > Please let me know if you think there are iPhone apps that:
> > > (a) are significantly better than any of these apps, or
> > > (b) provide functionality missing in these apps that I would care
> > > about.
>
> <Snip app list>
>
> > You notice that almost all of those apps are basically simple thin
> > clients to server applications, that one developer and a QA tester
> > could knock out in less than a month? In other words, it goes to show
> > that developers aren't putting real money behind Android.  Those
> > aren't exactly revolutionary apps.  If that's the best Android has to
> > offer, you're not exactly helping your case.
>
> Funny, that seems to describe 90% of what's in the app store as well,
> (other than games.)

And that's where most of the money is and many of the popular apps.

> > But we can start off with Amazon MP3.  The whole process of buying,
> > managing, and syncing media on the Android is severely lacking.
>
> Android devices can simply load via drag-and-drop, and require no
> "management" software.  I know a certain number of you are horrified that
> people can actually manage music manually without genius playlists or
> star ratings, but many of us do.

Okay, tried managing podcasts that you subscribe to that way? I
thought creating "playlists" on the phone would be a simple matter of
creating sub folders in the Music folder like on most non-iPods. That
doesn't work.


>
> And Android devices don't wipe out every song on them if you dare connect
> them to a second computer to add a song or movie.  IMO (or should I say,
> in my "use scenario") the single-computer sync limitation negates every
> possible advantage iTunes sync offers, and I still have never heard _any_
> plusible explanation why iPhones can only sync media with one computer,
> but iPod Touches can sync with more than one..

Uhh, it's called click on "Manually manage music", it's worked for the
iPhone for over 2 and a half years.....

http://reviews.cnet.com/8301-19512_7-10115302-233.html

iTunes 7.6 came out in January 2008. The iPhone came out in June
2007. There was a grand total of *6 months* that this didn't work.


From: nospam on
In article
<2b9bdd42-2445-452f-80c5-a9d07f3f1190(a)s9g2000yqd.googlegroups.com>, KDT
<scarface_74(a)yahoo.com> wrote:

> > And Android devices don't wipe out every song on them if you dare connect
> > them to a second computer to add a song or movie. �IMO (or should I say,
> > in my "use scenario") the single-computer sync limitation negates every
> > possible advantage iTunes sync offers, and I still have never heard _any_
> > plusible explanation why iPhones can only sync media with one computer,
> > but iPod Touches can sync with more than one..
>
> Uhh, it's called click on "Manually manage music", it's worked for the
> iPhone for over 2 and a half years.....

manual sync is still only one computer on iphones for some unknown
reason. on ipods, it works with multiple computers.