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From: Todd Allcock on 13 Aug 2010 06:30
At 13 Aug 2010 04:39:50 -0400 ZnU wrote:


> > So, if crApps are both the "popular" apps, and where "most of the
> > money is," what are the "top apps?" Well designed, rich complex
> > apps nobody buys?
>
> Pretty sure he was saying most of the money was in games.


Yep, I got that in KDT's last reply.


> > > Pretty sure this is another one of those situations where the Apple
> > > approach works better for 99% of people, but a few geeks who prefer
> > > more flexible less friendly approaches constantly complain about
> > > iTunes in various Internet forums.
> >
> > I find it amazing that anytime something by Apple doesn't work, the
> > scenario is either an "edge case" or the user is a "geek" who is
> > doing it wrong.
>
> It would be amazing if it were a coincidence. But of course it isn't.
> It's a consequence of the fact that Apple very deliberately designs its
> products precisely around the dominant use cases. And Apple is better
> at this than pretty much anyone.
>
> > Assuming that's true, what, then, is the correct "Apple approach" to
> > synching a fixed set of songs/albums onto an iPhone? Not an ever
> > changing rotating genius playlist of 4-star songs made between 1976
and
> > 2004 written by people whose first names start with a vowel- just a
> > simple group of a dozen or so specifically chosen albums.
>
> Put them in a plain old non-smart playlist. Set iTunes to only sync
> "Selected playlists, artists and genres", and select the playlist. I'm
> not clear on exactly what the problem is supposed to be here. Do you
> have some sort of aesthetic objection to indicating a specific subset
of
> your music to iTunes by putting it in a playlist rather than through
> some other mechanism?
>


As I said in my reply to nospam (who made the same suggestion,) I seem to
have a fundamental misunderstanding of the "playlist" concept. I always
understood the playlist to be a digital media player version of a "mix
tape," rather than a mechanism to sync large static libraries. I use
playlists, but they tend to be 10-20 song collections like "80's Hits,"
rather than 500 song collections like "everything on the iPhone."

But if that's what it takes, I'm game- I just don't honestly think that's
what Apple actually intended the playlist to be used for, but I'm
certainly not above using a workaround if it solves a problem. Creating
one giant playlist will allow me to go back to manual management (which
fixes the Overdrive audiobook problem) and only add one small step to the
backup/restore process- manually dragging the one playlist. (Can the
playlist contain other smaller playlists, or will I have to drag the
smaller playlists I currently have set up as well separately?)

Thanks to you (and nospam) for the suggestion.

From: KDT on 13 Aug 2010 07:45
On Aug 13, 12:52 am, ed <n...(a)atwistedweb.com> wrote:
> On Aug 12, 9:20 pm, KDT <scarface...(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > On Aug 12, 10:52 am, John Navas <spamfilt...(a)navasgroup.com> wrote:
>
> > > >What about the apps you *buy*.  
>
> > > That answer applies.
>
> > So yet again I have to search through the Market place to redownload
> > apps.  This is suppose to be easier than just plugging up the iPhone.
>
> you don't need to go searching for anything- just do to your downloads
> list in the market.  a new phone will give you the option to
> redownload everything, including paid apps, with one click.
>
> > > >BTW, you sure are using a lot of
> > > >programs to do what you could do with a single click of a button with
> > > >the iPhone.
>
> > > Similar capability on the iPhone takes as many apps.
>
> > So I need one app to manage music, one app to manage sms messages, one
> > app to backup (most) of the settings, one app to (barely) manage
> > podcasts, one app to buy music, one app to get my contacts that aren't
> > on Google already on Google, one app...
>
> transfered contacts from an old phone get synced up to google.
>
> <snip>

No they don't. You have two types of contacts on the phone -- google
contacts and phone contacts. When you create a new contact you have
to choose which type of contact you want. The program that most
stores use to transfer contacts from an old phone (in my case my
BlackBerry) to a new phone are stored as "phone contacts". You have
to export the contacts (using yet another app) and then re-import them
into Google.
From: Todd Allcock on 13 Aug 2010 08:34
At 13 Aug 2010 05:37:58 -0400 ZnU wrote:
> In article <_289o.12460$1v3.1637(a)newsfe20.iad>,
> Todd Allcock <elecconnec(a)AnoOspamL.com> wrote:
>
> > At 12 Aug 2010 21:24:41 -0700 nospam wrote:
> > > In article <Cz39o.59092$dx7.28119(a)newsfe21.iad>, Todd Allcock
> > > <elecconnec(a)AnoOspamL.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > So, if I'm missing the correct "Apple approach" to sync a fixed
> > subset of
> > > > my iTunes library on an iPhone, I'm all ears.
> > >
> > > set it to sync selected playlists, which can be as many or as few
> > > as you want. if they're standard (not smart) playlists, nothing
> > > will change.
> >
> >
> > While that would likely work, you're saying the "Apple approach" is
> > to create playlists of the albums I want to sync, despite the fact
> > that the albums themselves are already properly ID tagged?
> >
> > Perhaps I'm naive, but I always thought the "playlist" was a
> > construct to sync or play a group of songs from a variety of artists
> > and albums; essentially the iPod equivalent of a "mix tape."
>
> A playlist is a manually or automatically selected subset of your music
> library, optionally in a meaningful user-specified order, for whatever
> purpose.
>
> > Using it to sync media already sharing the same attributes like
> > "album" or "artist" to overcome limitations in iTunes sounds
> > dangerously close to what we Windows folks would call a "kludge." ;)
> > But if a kludge is the "Apple approach", I can live with that. I
> > suppose I could create a single giant playlist of all music on my
> > wife's iPhone and sync that one playlist. That really reeks of
> > "workaround" though...
>
> I think most people have playlists based on certain types of music, or
> certain listening contexts, and they just sync whatever playlists they
> want to sync. They don't have to create explicit "Stuff to Sync" lists
> because the things they want to sync are already on lists anyway.

Right- that's what I'd argue is the intended use of a playlist. It looks
like I'm needing to use one as a sync tool.

>
> I've never found anything especially kludgy about this, and I'm usually
> _very_ annoyed by kludgy UI.
>


It's not the UI I'm complaining about- it's the necessity of creating an
"everything on the iPhone" playlist to oercome what seems like a bug/not-
so-well-thought-out "feature" of iTunes, which is the media contents not
being backed up if you choose to manage media manually.

With manual management, synced playlists are no safer than synced songs
or albums- they're all erased during a restore. By creating an
"everything on the iPhone" playlist (that will never actually be "played"
itself,) I can restore the iPhone contents after a restore by dragging
the one giant playlist to the device in iTunes- that's what reeks of
kludge to me- using a function like a playlist for a purpose other than
its intended use.


From: John Navas on 13 Aug 2010 10:34
On Fri, 13 Aug 2010 04:45:28 -0700 (PDT), in
<326330d9-104c-4a3b-b7c5-c50702462488(a)p7g2000yqa.googlegroups.com>, KDT
<scarface_74(a)yahoo.com> wrote:

>On Aug 13, 12:52�am, ed <n...(a)atwistedweb.com> wrote:

>> transfered contacts from an old phone get synced up to google.
>>
>> <snip>
>
>No they don't.

Yes they do.

>You have two types of contacts on the phone -- google
>contacts and phone contacts. When you create a new contact you have
>to choose which type of contact you want.

You must be thinking of the issue of storing contacts in internal memory
or on the SIM card, but that only pertains to GSM devices, and isn't a
real issue as I explain below.

>The program that most
>stores use to transfer contacts from an old phone (in my case my
>BlackBerry) to a new phone are stored as "phone contacts". You have
>to export the contacts (using yet another app) and then re-import them
>into Google.

Unless the store is clueless (and uses only SIM transfer), it will use a
sync cable that gets _all_ the internal phone contacts (and you get any
SIM contacts when the SIM is moved), which are then synced seamlessly to
Google. Or you can use SyncML (service, not an app), as I noted
previously, to fully sync any SyncML device to Google.

Part of your problem with Android is that you don't fully understand it.

--
John

"Assumption is the mother of all screw ups."
[Wethern�s Law of Suspended Judgement]
From: John Navas on 13 Aug 2010 10:38
On Fri, 13 Aug 2010 05:09:52 -0400, in
<Y289o.12459$1v3.4591(a)newsfe20.iad>, Todd Allcock
<elecconnec(a)AnoOspamL.com> wrote:

>At 12 Aug 2010 21:26:02 -0700 KDT wrote:

>> I don't want to listen to the same artist. I want a playlist for when
>> I'm working out. I want a different playlist on my way home. I want
>> mellow background music, etc.
>
>Yeah, Android support of playlists seems particularly weak. ...

Not on HTC Sense devices, which have a nice Music player that does
playlists easily.

--
John

"Assumption is the mother of all screw ups."
[Wethern�s Law of Suspended Judgement]
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