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From: KDT on 13 Aug 2010 18:02
On Aug 13, 12:45 pm, Todd Allcock <eleccon...(a)AnoOspamL.com> wrote:
> At 13 Aug 2010 07:38:29 -0700 John Navas wrote:
>
> > On Fri, 13 Aug 2010 05:09:52 -0400, in
> > <Y289o.12459$1v3.4...(a)newsfe20.iad>, Todd Allcock
> > <eleccon...(a)AnoOspamL.com> wrote:
>
> > >At 12 Aug 2010 21:26:02 -0700 KDT wrote:
>
> > >> I don't want to listen to the same artist.  I want a playlist for
> when
> > >> I'm working out.  I want a different playlist on my way home.  I want
> > >> mellow background music, etc.
>
> > >Yeah, Android support of playlists seems particularly weak.  ...
>
> > Not on HTC Sense devices, which have a nice Music player that does
> > playlists easily.
>
> Sense, essentially, is a multi-purpose app.  The native Android music
> player is surprisingly crude.

And so is the included HTC media player.....
From: KDT on 13 Aug 2010 18:04
On Aug 13, 4:26 pm, John Navas <spamfilt...(a)navasgroup.com> wrote:
> On Fri, 13 Aug 2010 12:45:07 -0700 (PDT), in
> <2e99bca8-230d-4ce3-92d4-38125d517...(a)w30g2000yqw.googlegroups.com>, KDT
>
> <scarface...(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
> >On Aug 13, 12:32 pm, ed <n...(a)atwistedweb.com> wrote:
> >> unlike you, i can't speak for "most stores" and what software they
> >> have (and i'm not sure how you do).  :P  but my local sprint store
> >> (that i went to) can (and did) transfer them as google contacts that
> >> sync.
>
> >It was Best Buy.
>
> There's a lesson there.  ;)

Best Buy doesn't require you to wait for a rebate -- unlike,
ironically, buying directly from Sprint.

>
> >But isn't it a lot easier just to use iTunes to back
> >up your old phone and then restore?
>
> No.  There's a lesson there too.  ;)

So there is something hard about docking your iPhone, backing up, and
then restoring on your new phone?

From: KDT on 13 Aug 2010 18:05
On Aug 13, 5:27 pm, ZnU <z...(a)fake.invalid> wrote:
> In article <dcab669douag9945eko44ppfp61ukvq...(a)4ax.com>,
>  John Navas <spamfilt...(a)navasgroup.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Fri, 13 Aug 2010 12:11:41 -0700 (PDT), in
> > <b4f3b9f0-c9b4-4763-a6ac-37acb7917...(a)y11g2000yqm.googlegroups.com>, KDT
> > <scarface...(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > >On Aug 13, 10:34 am, John Navas <spamfilt...(a)navasgroup.com> wrote:
>
> > >> You must be thinking of the issue of storing contacts in internal memory
> > >> or on the SIM card, but that only pertains to GSM devices, and isn't a
> > >> real issue as I explain below.
>
> > >This is not a GSM phone. It's Sprint.
>
> > >Click on Add Contact.  Under Information, there is a "contact type"
> > >pull down you can choose "Google" or "phone".  All of the contacts
> > >that were synced from the BlackBerry 8330 (also CDMA) were transferred
> > >as "phone" contacts.
>
> > Choose your phone more carefully.
>
> I believe KDT has an Evo 4G, which was, for a few weeks there, the hot
> new must-have flagship Android handset. Are you saying it's not safe to
> buy the hot new must-have flagship Android handset?

Actually I have the HTC Hero --- with the *same* "Sense" UI that he
brags about.....
From: Todd Allcock on 13 Aug 2010 18:05
At 13 Aug 2010 12:50:26 -0400 ZnU wrote:
> In article <IZa9o.3311$yr6.1647(a)newsfe05.iad>,
> Todd Allcock <elecconnec(a)AnoOspamL.com> wrote:


> > Right- that's what I'd argue is the intended use of a playlist. It
> > looks like I'm needing to use one as a sync tool.
>
> http://www.apple.com/itunes/how-to/#video-playlists
>
> "Playlists are useful for preparing music to sync to your iPod or
> iPhone". It's actually the _first_ use of playlists Apple mentions. I'm
> pretty sure it's an intended use.


I doubt one giant playlist encompassing the entire device's media library
was an intended use! ;)


> > > I've never found anything especially kludgy about this, and I'm
usually
> > > _very_ annoyed by kludgy UI.
> >
> > It's not the UI I'm complaining about- it's the necessity of creating
> > an "everything on the iPhone" playlist to oercome what seems like a
> > bug/not- so-well-thought-out "feature" of iTunes, which is the media
> > contents not being backed up if you choose to manage media manually.
> >
> > With manual management, synced playlists are no safer than synced
> > songs or albums- they're all erased during a restore. By creating an
> > "everything on the iPhone" playlist (that will never actually be
"played"
> > itself,) I can restore the iPhone contents after a restore by dragging
> > the one giant playlist to the device in iTunes- that's what reeks of
> > kludge to me- using a function like a playlist for a purpose other
> > than its intended use.
>
> I'm still not sure I understand the issue here. You seem to be
> complaining that when you turn on manual music management, iTunes makes
> you manually manage music. This is a little silly.

> Why are you using manual management in the first place?


Sorry I haven't been clearer. I've been backed into a corner by a third-
party app, Overdrive Media Console, an audiobook management app that
allows you to borrow audiobooks from local libraries over the 'net and
sync them via iTunes to iPods/iPhones. For whatever reason (presumably
DRM) the software requires any iPod receiving the books to be in manual
management mode.

I don't mind manually managing music (though I don't necessarily want to)-
I do, however, expect such music to be backed up and restored. That
seems to be a strange "exception" for a music-playing device- iTunes
backs up everything except the actual music!

Creating one giant playlist of all the content on the iPhone will
"simulate" a media backup. After a restore I can manually drag the one
"everything" playlist to the iPhone to restore the content wiped out in
the restore process.


From: Todd Allcock on 13 Aug 2010 18:12
At 13 Aug 2010 09:27:09 -0700 nospam wrote:
> In article <tela66t50qaa9l79eh57bh9c152sm1o0f8(a)4ax.com>, John Navas
> <spamfilter1(a)navasgroup.com> wrote:
>
> > >The program that most
> > >stores use to transfer contacts from an old phone (in my case my
> > >BlackBerry) to a new phone are stored as "phone contacts". You have
> > >to export the contacts (using yet another app) and then re-import
> > >them into Google.
> >
> > Unless the store is clueless (and uses only SIM transfer), it will
> > use a sync cable that gets _all_ the internal phone contacts (and you
> > get any SIM contacts when the SIM is moved), which are then synced
> > seamlessly to Google. Or you can use SyncML (service, not an app),
> > as I noted previously, to fully sync any SyncML device to Google.
>
> the store has to do this???
>
> with an iphone, just plug it in and it syncs whatever the previous
> device had, automatically (or it can be set up as a new device if the
> user prefers). it doesn't get any easier than that.
>
> > Part of your problem with Android is that you don't fully understand
> > it.
>
> likewise, about apple.


What a pissing match about nothing!

You're both arguing a chicken/egg scenario.
KDT- how did you get the contacts into the FIRST iPhone/iPod Touch, that
now syncs so magically with iTunes into your next iPhone? Type all 500
of them in by hand? Use Outlook? iLife? You certainly didn't beam them
out of an old Nokia 8290 directly into the iPhone. Once you had the data
in a form iTunes could work with, syncing the iPhone became trivial.

Google/Android is no different.

Android syncs PIM data just as slickly as an iPhone when you get the PIM
data into Google, which is pretty trivial given the number of Google
import options. Hell, syncing iPhone-to-Android and back is now seamless
thanks to the good folks at Microsoft and the Exchange Activesync
software on the iPhone.

Enter m.google.com as an Exchange server into the iP* with your GMail
address and password as credentials and you can sync your Android and
iPod Touch instantly over the air.

I've been using PDAs and smartphones as well as Outlook since before the
turn of the century. Some of my PIM data I still use today was entered
into Outlook '97 or my Casio E-100 Palm PC, and has followed me through
several PCs, a dozen PDAs and phones. PIM sync is a pretty mature
feature and virtually all smart devices handle it adequately.

I currently use a Funambol (SyncML) server (a "poor-man's Exchange") to
keep three PCs and three WinMo handhelds in sync wirelessly. Changing
devices, whether to a Blackberry, another WinMo, an iPhone, or an Android
device would be relatively painless, since I can either use Funambol
directly on the multiple platforms it supports, or transfer the data from
Outlook to any other platform.

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