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From: John Navas on 12 Aug 2010 10:56
On Wed, 11 Aug 2010 19:20:17 -0700 (PDT), in
<2b9bdd42-2445-452f-80c5-a9d07f3f1190(a)s9g2000yqd.googlegroups.com>, KDT
<scarface_74(a)yahoo.com> wrote:

>On Aug 11, 10:01�pm, Todd Allcock <eleccon...(a)AnoOspamL.com> wrote:

>> Android devices can simply load via drag-and-drop, and require no
>> "management" software. �I know a certain number of you are horrified that
>> people can actually manage music manually without genius playlists or
>> star ratings, but many of us do.
>
>Okay, tried managing podcasts that you subscribe to that way?

I use Google Reader on my computer and Google Listen on my Android to
manage my podcast feeds in the cloud, which I find far more powerful and
convenient than iTunes.

>I
>thought creating "playlists" on the phone would be a simple matter of
>creating sub folders in the Music folder like on most non-iPods. That
>doesn't work.

HTC Music player has a simple and effective paradigm that does just what
I want.

--
John

"Assumption is the mother of all screw ups."
[Wethern�s Law of Suspended Judgement]
From: ZnU on 12 Aug 2010 11:03
In article <oNL8o.75231$xZ2.21096(a)newsfe07.iad>,
Todd Allcock <elecconnec(a)AnoOspamL.com> wrote:

> At 11 Aug 2010 19:20:17 -0700 KDT wrote:
> > On Aug 11, 10:01�pm, Todd Allcock <eleccon...(a)AnoOspamL.com> wrote:
> > > At 11 Aug 2010 10:08:57 -0700 KDT wrote:
> > >
> > > > On Aug 11, 10:40�am, John Navas <spamfilt...(a)navasgroup.com> wrote:
> > > > > To be fair, there is one (free) iPhone app that I miss on Android:
> > > > > Dragon Dictation
> > >
> > > > > Otherwise, here is my list of favorite Android apps.
> > > > > Please let me know if you think there are iPhone apps that:
> > > > > (a) are significantly better than any of these apps, or
> > > > > (b) provide functionality missing in these apps that I would care
> > > > > about.
> > >
> > > <Snip app list>
> > >
> > > > You notice that almost all of those apps are basically simple thin
> > > > clients to server applications, that one developer and a QA tester
> > > > could knock out in less than a month? In other words, it goes to
> show
> > > > that developers aren't putting real money behind Android. �Those
> > > > aren't exactly revolutionary apps. �If that's the best Android has
> to
> > > > offer, you're not exactly helping your case.
> > >
> > > Funny, that seems to describe 90% of what's in the app store as well,
> > > (other than games.)
> >
> > And that's where most of the money is and many of the popular apps.
>
> Agreed, but it's pretty disingenuous to insult Andriod's crApps when the
> bulk of the iOS app store peddles the same caliber of app.

Of course nobody is doing that. This subthread started off with the
following post by KDT:

"Where? Have you compared the top apps on the Android Market and on the
Apple App store? I have an HTC Hero and an iPod Touch. The
difference in the quality of the top apps aren't even comparable."

Comparing the _best_ apps for iOS and Android seems perfectly valid.

[snip]

> Equally annoying is iTunes inability to backup manually managed content.
> After an upgrade or restore you get to "manually manage" it all again
> from scratch. After a restore there is no media on the device- even the
> synced ringtones disappear. My workaround is to "sync checked music and
> video" only, but that isn't perfect either- every time you rip any CD
> into iTunes, those songs become checked by default and sync at the next
> connection if you don't manually uncheck them first. Plus, syncing
> Overdrive audio books (downloaded from lending libraries) requires you
> manually manage, so I get to choose between access to Overdrive content
> or ease of backup/restore. Hopefully the new Overdrive Console software
> for iPhone will allow direct-to-device downloads without iTunes, but I
> haven't had a chance to try it yet..

Pretty sure this is another one of those situations where the Apple
approach works better for 99% of people, but a few geeks who prefer more
flexible less friendly approaches constantly complain about iTunes in
various Internet forums.

--
"The game of professional investment is intolerably boring and over-exacting to
anyone who is entirely exempt from the gambling instinct; whilst he who has it
must pay to this propensity the appropriate toll." -- John Maynard Keynes
From: KDT on 13 Aug 2010 00:13
On Aug 13, 12:08 am, Todd Allcock <eleccon...(a)AnoOspamL.com> wrote:
>
> > "Where? Have you compared the top apps on the Android Market and on the
> > Apple App store?  I have an HTC Hero and an iPod Touch.  The
> > difference in the quality of the top apps aren't even comparable."
>
> > Comparing the _best_ apps for iOS and Android seems perfectly valid.
>
> That's fair, but KDT was no longer referencing "top apps," but John
> Navas' personal list of important (to him) apps.  KDT said those types of
> apps ("basically simple thin clients to server applications") were "where
> most of the money is and many of the popular apps..."

No, I didn't. I said most of the money were in "games", the types of
apps that John dismissed.

> Assuming that's true, what, then, is the correct "Apple approach" to
> synching a fixed set of songs/albums onto an iPhone?  Not an ever
> changing rotating genius playlist of 4-star songs made between 1976 and
> 2004 written by people whose first names start with a vowel- just a
> simple group of a dozen or so specifically chosen albums.  

Is the correct approach to have to download *6* different apps (as
quoted by John) to duplicate most of the functionality of iTunes?
From: KDT on 13 Aug 2010 00:20
On Aug 12, 10:52 am, John Navas <spamfilt...(a)navasgroup.com> wrote:
> >What about the apps you *buy*.  
>
> That answer applies.

So yet again I have to search through the Market place to redownload
apps. This is suppose to be easier than just plugging up the iPhone.

>
> >BTW, you sure are using a lot of
> >programs to do what you could do with a single click of a button with
> >the iPhone.
>
> Similar capability on the iPhone takes as many apps.
>

So I need one app to manage music, one app to manage sms messages, one
app to backup (most) of the settings, one app to (barely) manage
podcasts, one app to buy music, one app to get my contacts that aren't
on Google already on Google, one app...

or

Just launch iTunes.....

> >> >What about your text messages?
>
> >> Yes, Google Voice.  You should try it.
>
> >So now you have to use *five* programs to do what you can do with
> >*one* and just clicking a button?
>
> You must not understand how seamlessly Google Voice works.
> You should try it.

You still brought in *another* app.....


>
> >> >Not only that, if you transfer
> >> >contacts from an old phone (like I did) they are not stored as Google
> >> >contacts.  Only new contacts are stored as Google contacts.
>
> >> *All* my contacts, old and new, are stored as Google Contacts in the
> >> cloud, because I *merge* contacts from other sources.  You should try
> >> it.
>
> >So exactly how do you get contacts off of your phone that were
> >transferred from another phone into your Google contact list -- yes I
> >know you can do it --- with yet another program.
>
> SyncML

So that's another program I have to find......


>
> >iTunes is sounding
> >better and better the more you post.
>
> Suit yourself.  "Different strokes for different folks."
>
> >> >What
> >> >about the placement of your icons, bookmarks, passwords?
>
> >> MyBackup preserves the Home screen and bookmarks.
> >> My passwords are managed with KeePass, and also saved in the cloud.

Even if you upgrade to another phone? Say if you go from an HTC to a
Motorola.


>
> >> Anything else?
>
> >Wow just the duplicate the functionality of iTunes, you need *six*
> >different programs?
>
> How's the iTunes password generator working for you?
> Does it use Twofish or AES encryption?

No, but I don't have to manage 7 (you added one) programs...



From: nospam on 13 Aug 2010 00:24
In article <Cz39o.59092$dx7.28119(a)newsfe21.iad>, Todd Allcock
<elecconnec(a)AnoOspamL.com> wrote:

> So, if I'm missing the correct "Apple approach" to sync a fixed subset of
> my iTunes library on an iPhone, I'm all ears.

set it to sync selected playlists, which can be as many or as few as
you want. if they're standard (not smart) playlists, nothing will
change.
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