From: John Larkin on
On 15 Aug 2006 01:48:35 -0700, bill.sloman(a)ieee.org wrote:


>Look at what Dubya - and his enthusiastic supporters in ENRON - have
>done to the U.S. before you restrict that problem to Third World
>governments.

I wonder why the principals of Enron are enthusiastic supporters of W.
Perhaps they enjoy prison?

John



From: Don Bowey on
On 8/14/06 11:30 PM, in article KUwEJUHYoW4EFwLY(a)jmwa.demon.co.uk, "John
Woodgate" <jmw(a)jmwa.demon.co.uk> wrote:

> In message <1hk36ch.3xb3goy6e91oN%tim.auton(a)auton.groupSexWithoutTheY>,
> dated Tue, 15 Aug 2006, Tim Auton <tim.auton(a)auton.groupSexWithoutTheY>
> writes
>> John Woodgate <jmw(a)jmwa.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>>> In message <pan.2006.08.15.20.47.02.573084(a)example.net>, dated Mon, 14
>>> Aug 2006, Richard The Dreaded Libertarian <null(a)example.net> writes
>>>
>>>> And you need a new dictionary. The meaning of "defense" that sane
>>>> people go by doesn't include "assaulting your neighbors and killing
>>>> their families".
>>>
>>> Ah, but it IS so defined in the Hisbollah dictionary.
>>
>> If a bunch of terrorists came and moved into my back garden against my
>> will I'm not sure 'neighbours' would be the word I'd use for them...
>
> Jesus defined 'neighbour'.

He must have been a Standards guy.


From: David Brown on
Jim Yanik wrote:
> David Brown <david(a)westcontrol.removethisbit.com> wrote in
> news:44e039f5(a)news.wineasy.se:
>
>> John Larkin wrote:
>>> On 11 Aug 2006 04:46:30 -0700, bill.sloman(a)ieee.org wrote:
>>>
>> > It's interesting how obsessed europeans seem to be with American
>>> politics. Since their function in the world is largely passive by
>>> choice, and since enormous messes remain of their direct making, I
>>> should think they'd be content to spend their days on holiday,
>>> wine-tasting or whatever they do for amusement.
>>>
>>> It's the fish-or-cut-bait thing.
>>>
>>> John
>>>
>> American politics is far more entertaining than a lot of European
>> politics. Here in Norway, the government is formed by a coalition - it
>> doesn't really make a big difference who you vote for, because they all
>> get together to argue out a compromise afterwards. But on the other
>> side of the Atlantic, a half percent of votes stolen here or there makes
>> a huge difference to the country and the rest of the world. It's the
>> same with scandals - if our prime minister had an affair, people would
>> say it's between him and his wife, while a little indiscretion by your
>> previous president brought your country to a halt.
>>
>
> "stolen" votes?
>
> any credibility you had has evaporated.
>

I didn't think I had any credibility with you in the first place !
From: Mike Monett on
joseph2k <quiettechblue(a)yahoo.com> wrote:

> The US military has a long track record of buying stuff that
> performs well in demonstration and trials that barely work when
> fielded.

> JosephKK

You mean like the

airplane,
radar,
microwave oven (magnetron),
transistor,
computer,
satellite,
internet,

and innumerable other inventions that we now take for granted? Sure,
there may have been teething problems, but they eventually got
fixed.

If you read the article, you may discover the original order was for
$38 million worth of AN/PSS-14 Mine Detection Sets.

http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/2006/08/300m-over-17000-portable-
minedetectors-for-us-troops/index.php

The performance of the system is easy to verify. After evaluating it
for one year, the army increased the order by a factor of ten, to
$300 million.

Here's the info on the AN/PSS-14:

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
The AN/PSS-14 Mine Detection Set (formerly known as HSTAMIDS) is a
vast improvement over today's metallic handheld mine detectors. It
employs a state-of-the-art metal detector and ground penetrating
radar (GPR), which are coupled with an advanced microprocessor array
and software to achieve a high probability of detection (in excess
of 95 percent) for both large and small metallic and nonmetallic
antitank and antipersonnel mines. It also significantly reduces the
number of false targets or alarms. If a mine is detected, audio cues
alert the operator. Built-in warning and test equipment also alerts
the operator of potential system malfunctions and assists
maintenance personnel in fault identification. The result is a
greatly improved system that protects the Soldier and enhances
his/her ability to detect landmines. The AN/PSS-14 weighs
approximately eight pounds, uses standard batteries and can be
operated by a single Soldier. The AN/PSS-14 is also being procured
by the U.S. Marine Corps as their Advance Mine Detector.

http://ccsweb.pica.army.mil/2counter/anpss14.htm

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
The main point is the mine detection systems they are now buying
include GPR.

And a very significant difference exists between previous methods of
military procurement and what happens now.

If the system doesn't work as claimed, the large number of military
and civilian blogs will ensure that everyone knows about the
problem.

That will certainly get attention needed to fix it.

Regards,

Mike Monett

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From: David Brown on
John Larkin wrote:
> On 14 Aug 2006 10:53:09 +0200, David Brown
> <david(a)westcontrol.removethisbit.com> wrote:
>
>> John Larkin wrote:
>>> On 11 Aug 2006 04:46:30 -0700, bill.sloman(a)ieee.org wrote:
>>>
>> > It's interesting how obsessed europeans seem to be with American
>>> politics. Since their function in the world is largely passive by
>>> choice, and since enormous messes remain of their direct making, I
>>> should think they'd be content to spend their days on holiday,
>>> wine-tasting or whatever they do for amusement.
>>>
>>> It's the fish-or-cut-bait thing.
>>>
>>> John
>>>
>> American politics is far more entertaining than a lot of European
>> politics. Here in Norway, the government is formed by a coalition - it
>> doesn't really make a big difference who you vote for, because they all
>> get together to argue out a compromise afterwards. But on the other
>> side of the Atlantic, a half percent of votes stolen here or there makes
>> a huge difference to the country and the rest of the world. It's the
>> same with scandals - if our prime minister had an affair, people would
>> say it's between him and his wife, while a little indiscretion by your
>> previous president brought your country to a halt.
>
> One electron can tip a metastable flipflop one way or the other. I
> think that close elections mean that the system is working, that both
> parties - we have two real parties for other reasons - are both forced
> to servo towards the center, and both are forced to contain their
> lunatic wings.
>

Sometimes close elections can be a sign of a healthy democracy - it is
certainly far better than the single-party "democracies" in many
countries.

However, it's a little different when one side uses so many dirty tricks
(sometimes legal, sometimes not) to win. I certainly don't believe all
the conspiracy theories around (adding them all up would have given the
Democrats way over 100% of the vote), but only the most fanatically
faithful Bushites would claim it was all fair and democratic.

What made the real difference, however, is how Bush reacted after
winning the elections. In a healthy democratic system with a
fair-minded president who was interested in representing his country,
then he would, as you say, have moved towards a common centre
politically. Instead, he claimed his win to be an endorsement of the
whole country for his most outlying policies.

> You probably have fewer lunatics in Norway, another reason your
> politics is dull. All your real nut cases emigrated here ages ago.
>
> John
>