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From: Free Lunch on 17 Jul 2010 22:01 On Sat, 17 Jul 2010 17:21:42 -0700, Jason(a)nospam.com (Jason) wrote in alt.talk.creationism: >In article <TtydnYb6EbP2hN_RnZ2dnUVZ_goAAAAA(a)giganews.com>, Ralph ><mmman_90(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > >> On 7/16/2010 3:12 PM, Jason wrote: >> > In article<i1ps07$rkr$2(a)news.eternal-september.org>, "Parish *~" >> > <Parish(a)invalid.invalid> wrote: >> > >> >> "Jason"<Jason(a)nospam.com> wrote in message >> >> news:Jason-1507102002470001(a)67-150-123-205.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com... >> >>> >> >>> That is what lots of evolutionists believe but it does NOT mean that >> >>> evolutionists are 100% sure that it happened that way. >> >> >> >> I don't know of any "evolutionist" who believes a magical invisible god >> >> created that first life, the first living cell. >> >> >> >> Humans were created >> >>> by God. They share features with apes because God also created apes. >> >> >> >> So what's the connection? He was limited in the genetic material to work >> >> with? >> >> >> >> One >> >>> evolutionist tried to convince me that since apes and mankind are >> >>> similar--that means that one of mankind's ancestor was an ape-like >> >>> creature. My response was that since many larger warm blooded animals need >> >>> things like lungs, stomachs, veins, arteries, hearts, etc.--why not make >> >>> them similar in those creatures. Why should God have to develop or invent >> >>> special unique lungs, etc for mankind that were VASTLY different than >> >>> lungs, etc. that are in larger animals. Do you see my point? >> >> >> >> I see your point but it doesn't mean any gods were involved since >life is so >> >> "faulty" as you must agree. The god would have had to be drunk or a sadist >> >> to create us as he did. And Geeze.... why would a god create disease >> >> organisms and parasites to make us suffer and die so horribly? >> > >> > Everything that God first created was perfect. Over the years--it has been >> > corrupted by sin. >> >> >> >> Where does god say his creation was perfect? > > >It's my opinion based on the first several chapters of the Old Testament. The first several chapters of the Old Testament are complete nonsense, stories to while away an evening when the youngsters ask questions that the adults don't have the answer to. Genesis comes in two forms: (1) completely, verifiably wrong and (2) totally unlikely. The first chapters are completely, verifiably wrong. You know they are wrong. Who are you telling these lies to?
From: Ips-Switch on 17 Jul 2010 22:02 "Jason" <Jason(a)nospam.com> wrote in message news:Jason-1707101719260001(a)67-150-123-126.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com... > He created the universe and our solar system. God created life on this > planet. > > You keep repeating this like some kind of mindless automaton. Like a JW who had it pounded into his head 5 and 6 times a week for years. Yet you fail to produce one shred of evidence for a fantastical creation.
From: Parish *~ on 17 Jul 2010 22:07 "Jason" <Jason(a)nospam.com> wrote in message news:Jason-1707101721430001(a)67-150-123-126.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com... > It's my opinion based on the first several chapters of the Old Testament. > > Then state that it's only your opinion and nothing more. :) -- The Parrish *~, American-American-American. * * * * * * "The Mass is the most perfect form of making money." * * * * * * * *
From: Smiler. on 17 Jul 2010 22:46 Jason wrote: > In article <i1r7sd$5ba$1(a)news.datemas.de>, "Anna DeGanno" > <AD(a)invalid.com> wrote: > >> "Jason" <Jason(a)nospam.com> wrote in message >> news:Jason-1607101210250001(a)67-150-173-38.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com... >>> In article <i1pd0n$24s$1(a)news.datemas.de>, "Anna DeGanno" >>> <AD(a)invalid.com> wrote: >>>>> For fellowship with mankind. >>>> >>>> But he/she/it doesn't "fellowship" with us. It fellowships, >>>> according to the bible, with angels and other heavenly "beings." >>>> What it has done in the >>>> past is murder human beings by the thousands, not fellowship with >>>> them. You >>>> need to think a little more before you reply to questions. Or >>>> perhaps actually read your bible cover to cover and trash the >>>> WTBTS rags and books. >>>> :) >>> >> >>> I disagree. There is lots of evidence in the Bible that God has >>> fellowship with mankind. >> >> Oh really? How and where is he being seen and communicated with? >> What is he saying these days and to who? And where is the proof or >> evidence he's showing up again and talking to people? Having dinner >> with them, going places with them, taking vacations with >> them......... ? I know of no Gods fellowshipping with man. >> >>> An example is the relationship God had with prophets, Moses, >>> Joseph, John (the writer of the book of Revelations) etc. >> >> I'm not talking about the Bronze Age. I'm talking about now. We >> live NOW, not thousands of years ago. > > There are lots of excellent preachers and evangelists. There are also > lots of Grandmothers and others. They spend lots of time praying and > fellowshipping with God. I am not saying that every preacher, > evangelist and Grandmother is involved in fellowship with > God--however, some of them do have fellowship with God. In my church, > I know several members that spend lots of time in prayer each day. > One of the ladies has a prayer list that has about 50 names on it and > she prays for everyone of them everyday. How do we tell this 'fellowshipping' apart from mental illness? -- Smiler The godless one. a.a.# 2279 All gods are bespoke. They're all made to perfectly fit the prejudices of their believers.
From: Smiler. on 17 Jul 2010 22:49
Jason wrote: > In article <TtydnYf6EbPVhN_RnZ2dnUVZ_gqdnZ2d(a)giganews.com>, Ralph > <mmman_90(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > >> On 7/16/2010 3:10 PM, Jason wrote: >>> In article<i1pd0n$24s$1(a)news.datemas.de>, "Anna >>> DeGanno"<AD(a)invalid.com> wrote: >>> >>>> "Jason"<Jason(a)nospam.com> wrote in message >>>> news:Jason-1507101702370001(a)67-150-126-95.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com... >>>>> In article<i1o1h3$eib$1(a)news.datemas.de>, "Anna >>>>> DeGanno"<AD(a)invalid.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> "Jason"<Jason(a)nospam.com> wrote in message >>>>>> news:Jason-1507101421280001(a)66-53-215-33.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com... >>>>>>> In article<SoidnSE-D7YixaLRnZ2dnUVZ_hKdnZ2d(a)giganews.com>, Ralph >>>>>>> <mmman_90(a)yahoo.com> wrote: >>>>>>>> Here we go with the odds again. What are the odds that a god >>>>>>>> who is involved personally with everything on this paltry >>>>>>>> earth created the entire universe just for the fun of it. Why, >>>>>>>> I'll bet that they would be >>>>>>>> incalculable. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I never stated that God created the entire universe just for >>>>>>> the fun of it. >>>>>> >>>>>> What other reason would a great all powerful and all knowing god >>>>>> have. >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> For fellowship with mankind. >>>> >>>> But he/she/it doesn't "fellowship" with us. It fellowships, >>>> according to the bible, with angels and other heavenly "beings." >>>> What it has done > in the >>>> past is murder human beings by the thousands, not fellowship with > them. You >>>> need to think a little more before you reply to questions. Or >>>> perhaps actually read your bible cover to cover and trash the >>>> WTBTS rags and books. :) >>> >>> I disagree. There is lots of evidence in the Bible that God has >>> fellowship with mankind. An example is the relationship God had >>> with prophets, Moses, Joseph, John (the writer of the book of >>> Revelations) etc. >> >> >> >> >> Amazing isn't it, all of this fellowshipping so long ago and the only >> record we have of it is in the bible. Why do you think god >> disappeared? Have you ever read the book, "The Disappearance of >> God"? IT will tell you why god no longer fellowships with mankind. > > God continues to fellowship with various men and women living today. Again I ask, how do we tell this supposed 'fellowshipping' from mental illness? -- Smiler The godless one. a.a.# 2279 All gods are bespoke. They're all made to perfectly fit the prejudices of their believers. |