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From: Tim Miller on 18 Jul 2010 22:04 Jason wrote: > In article > <92c62dc8-b13e-46e8-9ebe-b3a1fc09bf76(a)c36g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, "Bob > T." <bob(a)synapse-cs.com> wrote: > >> On Jul 18, 1:40=A0pm, Ja...(a)nospam.com (Jason) wrote: >>> In article >>> <ef5793ee-e12a-4893-81f6-e84b68198...(a)p22g2000pre.googlegroups.com>, "Bob >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> T." <b...(a)synapse-cs.com> wrote: >>>> On Jul 18, 12:48=3DA0pm, Ja...(a)nospam.com (Jason) wrote: >>>>>> But you don't know very much about biology, so why should anyone ca= >> re >>>>>> what you think the subject? =3DA0You just now admitted that your so= >> urces >>>>>> for the answers to scientific questions are the Bible and your own >>>>>> imagination - it's no wonder that you're completely wrong! >>>>>> For your information, Jason, you yourself used to be a one celled l= >> ife >>>>>> form. =3DA0Since then you have increased billions of times in size = >> and >>>>>> dozens of times in intelligence. =3DA0If that happened to you in a = >> few >>>>>> short decades, how can you possible claim it's impossible for speci= >> es >>>>>> to make that same change in billions of years? =3DA0Oh, right - it >>>>>> contradicts Genesis, so you know it ain't true. >>>>>> - Bob T >>>>> Bob, >>>>> Yes, you and I started out as a one celled life form. That's not an i= >> ssue=3D >>>> . >>>>> The issue is that many of the advocates of abiogenesis believe that >>>>> mankind evolved from a one celled life form. >>>> Actually, that's not "abiogenesis", that's just evolution... and yes, >>>> everyone who understands biology knows that humans evolved from single- >>>> celled life-forms. >>> That's not true. The professors that teach at the ICR college understand >>> biology and even teach biology. They believe that God created life on thi= >> s >>> planet and humans did NOT evolve from single celled life forms. >> A belief they had before they studied biology and a belief they kept, >> for religious reasons, after they studied. >> >>> Believe it or not, not all college graduates that have taken college biol= >> ogy classes >>> don't agree with you. They understand biology as much as evolutionists. >> The are prevented from understanding the parts that conflict with >> their religion by fear of offending their deity. >> >> - Bob T >>> - Show quoted text - > > I have seen poles indicating that about half the people in America believe > that God created mankind and life on this planet. The brainwashing by > biology professors is not working well. > > And 40% of 'em can't find France on a map. You DO realize, 50% of the people on the planet (most of 'em "religious") are of BELOW average intelligence. BY DEFINITION.
From: Bob T. on 18 Jul 2010 22:52 On Jul 18, 6:56 pm, Ja...(a)nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > In article > <92c62dc8-b13e-46e8-9ebe-b3a1fc09b...(a)c36g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, "Bob > > > > > > T." <b...(a)synapse-cs.com> wrote: > > On Jul 18, 1:40=A0pm, Ja...(a)nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > > > In article > > > <ef5793ee-e12a-4893-81f6-e84b68198...(a)p22g2000pre.googlegroups.com>, "Bob > > > > T." <b...(a)synapse-cs.com> wrote: > > > > On Jul 18, 12:48=3DA0pm, Ja...(a)nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > > > > > > But you don't know very much about biology, so why should anyone ca= > > re > > > > > > what you think the subject? =3DA0You just now admitted that your so= > > urces > > > > > > for the answers to scientific questions are the Bible and your own > > > > > > imagination - it's no wonder that you're completely wrong! > > > > > > > For your information, Jason, you yourself used to be a one celled l= > > ife > > > > > > form. =3DA0Since then you have increased billions of times in size = > > and > > > > > > dozens of times in intelligence. =3DA0If that happened to you in a = > > few > > > > > > short decades, how can you possible claim it's impossible for speci= > > es > > > > > > to make that same change in billions of years? =3DA0Oh, right - it > > > > > > contradicts Genesis, so you know it ain't true. > > > > > > > - Bob T > > > > > > Bob, > > > > > Yes, you and I started out as a one celled life form. That's not an i= > > ssue=3D > > > > . > > > > > The issue is that many of the advocates of abiogenesis believe that > > > > > mankind evolved from a one celled life form. > > > > > Actually, that's not "abiogenesis", that's just evolution... and yes, > > > > everyone who understands biology knows that humans evolved from single- > > > > celled life-forms. > > > > That's not true. The professors that teach at the ICR college understand > > > biology and even teach biology. They believe that God created life on thi= > > s > > > planet and humans did NOT evolve from single celled life forms. > > > A belief they had before they studied biology and a belief they kept, > > for religious reasons, after they studied. > > > > Believe it or not, not all college graduates that have taken college biol= > > ogy classes > > > don't agree with you. They understand biology as much as evolutionists. > > > The are prevented from understanding the parts that conflict with > > their religion by fear of offending their deity. > > > - Bob T > > > > - Show quoted text - > > I have seen poles Lech Walesa? Pope John Paul II? - Bob T > indicating that about half the people in America believe > that God created mankind and life on this planet. The brainwashing by > biology professors is not working well.- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text -
From: Jason on 18 Jul 2010 23:58 In article <l6c74613lbqrvudrp5sf83hv1cgbe99shu(a)4ax.com>, Free Lunch <lunch(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote: > On Sun, 18 Jul 2010 18:54:20 -0700, Jason(a)nospam.com (Jason) wrote in > alt.atheism: > > >In article <4c438ffe(a)news.x-privat.org>, "Ips-Switch" > ><Ips-Switch(a)nospam.invalid> wrote: > > > >> "Jason" <Jason(a)nospam.com> wrote in message > >> news:Jason-1807101340380001(a)67-150-175-229.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com... > >> > That's not true. The professors that teach at the ICR college understand > >> > biology and even teach biology. They believe that God created life on this > >> > planet and humans did NOT evolve from single celled life forms. Believe it > >> > or not, not all college graduates that have taken college biology classes > >> > don't agree with you. They understand biology as much as evolutionists. > >> > >> Professors of what? Dentistry? French History? If they understand biology > >> they would know as much as these evolutionists you are so obsessed with and > >> not be teaching superstition, religion and plain old magic. > > > >They know about evolution but believe that God created mankind and life on > >this planet. Even Darwin believed that God created life on this planet. > > > He didn't even appear to believe in any gods by the end of his life. > > You are dishonest. You are a shame to your religion. > > Luckily for you, the god you keep going on about does not exist. If he > did, he would destroy you for being so offensive to him. Several people have asked me for proof that Darwin believed that a creator God was responsible for the creation of mankind. I found information on a website: http://pandasthumb.org/archives/2008/03/expelled-expose.html I wonder, would a public school teacher in Harrisburg, Pennsylvania, be allowed to say the following: �It is interesting to contemplate � [all the many forms of life on earth] � so different from each other, have all been produced by laws acting around us. � There is grandeur in this view of life, HAVING BEEN ORIGINALLY BREATHED [BY THE CREATOR] INTO A FEW FORMS OR INTO ONE; and that from so simple a beginning, endless forms most beautiful and most wonderful have been, and are being evolved.� Just imagine a public school teacher who says those words: that God creates life and places it on the earth in a few forms, and then that life evolves according to the physical and natural laws that God put into place in the universe. Would that be allowed? Actually, it should be REQUIRED FOR THE TEACHER TO SAY THAT. Why? Because the quote is from: On the Origin of the Species, Chapter XV, Recapitulation and Conclusion, By Charles Darwin. If you are going to teach Darwin�s theory of evolution in public schools, you should teach what Darwin actually wrote about it. Michael S. Class Author Anthony and the Magic Picture Frame: The History Book with a Message for Today�s Young Americans If you google "breathed into a few forms or into one", you will get lots of hits and may be able to find the name of the edition that had these words. One internet website stated that the actual words were: There is grandeur in this view of life, with its several powers having been orginially breathed into a few forms or into one. Darwin (in his younger years) planned to become a minister and as a result knew lots of information about the Bible. He may have had this scripture in mind when he wrote the above quotation: Genesis 2:7 An the Lord God formed man out of the dust of the ground and breathed life into his nostrils the breath of life and man became a living soul.
From: Devils Advocaat on 19 Jul 2010 03:30 On 19 July, 04:58, Ja...(a)nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > In article <l6c74613lbqrvudrp5sf83hv1cgbe99...(a)4ax.com>, Free Lunch > > > > > > > > <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote: > > On Sun, 18 Jul 2010 18:54:20 -0700, Ja...(a)nospam.com (Jason) wrote in > > alt.atheism: > > > >In article <4c438...(a)news.x-privat.org>, "Ips-Switch" > > ><Ips-Swi...(a)nospam.invalid> wrote: > > > >> "Jason" <Ja...(a)nospam.com> wrote in message > > >>news:Jason-1807101340380001(a)67-150-175-229.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com... > > >> > That's not true. The professors that teach at the ICR college understand > > >> > biology and even teach biology. They believe that God created life > on this > > >> > planet and humans did NOT evolve from single celled life forms. > Believe it > > >> > or not, not all college graduates that have taken college biology classes > > >> > don't agree with you. They understand biology as much as evolutionists. > > > >> Professors of what?  Dentistry?  French History?  If they understand > biology > > >> they would know as much as these evolutionists you are so obsessed > with and > > >> not be teaching superstition, religion and plain old magic. > > > >They know about evolution but believe that God created mankind and life on > > >this planet. Even Darwin believed that God created life on this planet.. > > > He didn't even appear to believe in any gods by the end of his life. > > > You are dishonest. You are a shame to your religion. > > > Luckily for you, the god you keep going on about does not exist. If he > > did, he would destroy you for being so offensive to him. > > Several people have asked me for proof that Darwin believed that a creator > God was responsible for the creation of mankind. > > I found information on a website: > > http://pandasthumb.org/archives/2008/03/expelled-expose.html > > I wonder, would a public school teacher in Harrisburg, Pennsylvania, be > allowed to say the following: > ³It is interesting to contemplate Š[all the many forms of life on earth] > Šso different from each other, have all been produced by laws acting > around us. ŠThere is grandeur in this view of life, HAVING BEEN > ORIGINALLY BREATHED [BY THE CREATOR] INTO A FEW FORMS OR INTO ONE; and > that from so simple a beginning, endless forms most beautiful and most > wonderful have been, and are being evolved.² > Just imagine a public school teacher who says those words: that God > creates life and places it on the earth in a few forms, and then that life > evolves according to the physical and natural laws that God put into place > in the universe. > Would that be allowed? > Actually, it should be REQUIRED FOR THE TEACHER TO SAY THAT. > Why? Because the quote is from: On the Origin of the Species, Chapter XV, > Recapitulation and Conclusion, By Charles Darwin. > If you are going to teach Darwin¹s theory of evolution in public schools, > you should teach what Darwin actually wrote about it. > Michael S. Class Author > Anthony and the Magic Picture Frame: The History Book with a Message for > Today¹s Young Americans > > If you google "breathed into a few forms or into one", you will get lots > of hits and may be able to find the name of the edition that had these > words. > > One internet website stated that the actual words were: > > There is grandeur in this view of life, with its several powers having > been orginially breathed into a few forms or into one. > > Darwin (in his younger years) planned to become a minister and as a result > knew lots of information about the Bible. He may have had this scripture > in mind when he wrote the above quotation: > > Genesis 2:7  An the Lord God formed man out of the dust of the ground and > breathed life into his nostrils the breath of life and man became a living > soul. Unlikely conclusion
From: Jason on 19 Jul 2010 04:33
In article <30f9f50b-09a1-4e69-b670-6c805d584a89(a)x21g2000yqa.googlegroups.com>, Devils Advocaat <mankygoat(a)yahoo.co.uk> wrote: > On 19 July, 04:58, Ja...(a)nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > > In article <l6c74613lbqrvudrp5sf83hv1cgbe99...(a)4ax.com>, Free Lunch > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote: > > > On Sun, 18 Jul 2010 18:54:20 -0700, Ja...(a)nospam.com (Jason) wrote in > > > alt.atheism: > > > > > >In article <4c438...(a)news.x-privat.org>, "Ips-Switch" > > > ><Ips-Swi...(a)nospam.invalid> wrote: > > > > > >> "Jason" <Ja...(a)nospam.com> wrote in message > > > >>news:Jason-1807101340380001(a)67-150-175-229.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com... > > > >> > That's not true. The professors that teach at the ICR college unde= > rstand > > > >> > biology and even teach biology. They believe that God created life > > on this > > > >> > planet and humans did NOT evolve from single celled life forms. > > Believe it > > > >> > or not, not all college graduates that have taken college biology = > classes > > > >> > don't agree with you. They understand biology as much as evolution= > ists. > > > > > >> Professors of what? =C2=A0Dentistry? =C2=A0French History? =C2=A0If = > they understand > > biology > > > >> they would know as much as these evolutionists you are so obsessed > > with and > > > >> not be teaching superstition, religion and plain old magic. > > > > > >They know about evolution but believe that God created mankind and lif= > e on > > > >this planet. Even Darwin believed that God created life on this planet= > . > > > > > He didn't even appear to believe in any gods by the end of his life. > > > > > You are dishonest. You are a shame to your religion. > > > > > Luckily for you, the god you keep going on about does not exist. If he > > > did, he would destroy you for being so offensive to him. > > > > Several people have asked me for proof that Darwin believed that a creato= > r > > God was responsible for the creation of mankind. > > > > I found information on a website: > > > > http://pandasthumb.org/archives/2008/03/expelled-expose.html > > > > I wonder, would a public school teacher in Harrisburg, Pennsylvania, be > > allowed to say the following: > > =C2=B3It is interesting to contemplate =C5=A0 [all the many forms of life= > on earth] > > =C5=A0 so different from each other, have all been produced by laws actin= > g > > around us. =C5=A0 There is grandeur in this view of life, HAVING BEEN > > ORIGINALLY BREATHED [BY THE CREATOR] INTO A FEW FORMS OR INTO ONE; and > > that from so simple a beginning, endless forms most beautiful and most > > wonderful have been, and are being evolved.=C2=B2 > > Just imagine a public school teacher who says those words: that God > > creates life and places it on the earth in a few forms, and then that lif= > e > > evolves according to the physical and natural laws that God put into plac= > e > > in the universe. > > Would that be allowed? > > Actually, it should be REQUIRED FOR THE TEACHER TO SAY THAT. > > Why? Because the quote is from: On the Origin of the Species, Chapter XV, > > Recapitulation and Conclusion, By Charles Darwin. > > If you are going to teach Darwin=C2=B9s theory of evolution in public sch= > ools, > > you should teach what Darwin actually wrote about it. > > Michael S. Class Author > > Anthony and the Magic Picture Frame: The History Book with a Message for > > Today=C2=B9s Young Americans > > > > If you google "breathed into a few forms or into one", you will get lots > > of hits and may be able to find the name of the edition that had these > > words. > > > > One internet website stated that the actual words were: > > > > There is grandeur in this view of life, with its several powers having > > been orginially breathed into a few forms or into one. > > > > Darwin (in his younger years) planned to become a minister and as a resul= > t > > knew lots of information about the Bible. He may have had this scripture > > in mind when he wrote the above quotation: > > > > Genesis 2:7 =C2=A0An the Lord God formed man out of the dust of the groun= > d and > > breathed life into his nostrils the breath of life and man became a livin= > g > > soul. > > Unlikely conclusion Why do you believe that Darwin made this statement: "There is grandeur in this view of life, HAVING BEEN ORIGINALLY BREATHED [BY THE CREATOR] INTO A FEW FORMS OR INTO ONE; and that from so simple a beginning, endless forms most beautiful and most wonderful have been, and are being evolved." I define it to mean that Darwin believed God breathed life into Adam and perhaps also into Eve and that God made an endless number of plants and animals that were beautiful and wonderful. Those plants and animals later evolved. |