From: Justin on
nospam wrote on [Mon, 31 May 2010 18:22:16 -0700]:
> In article <ujm806tn5u4v4toc7eoac2k383npq28ofg(a)4ax.com>, Paul Miner
> <pminer(a)elrancho.invalid> wrote:
>
> calling a prerelease version of android non-vapor and a pre-release
> version of iphone os 4 vapor is to be blunt, hypocritical bullshit.

Once again you show your ignoraice. The iphone OS is not available
to end users. Only developers. End users are not developers.

End users of the Nexus One have access to android 2.2, so it is available
to end users.

Simple. I know you are
From: nospam on
In article <hu1o6g$u9q$1(a)news.eternal-september.org>, Justin
<nospam(a)insightbb.com> wrote:

> > calling a prerelease version of android non-vapor and a pre-release
> > version of iphone os 4 vapor is to be blunt, hypocritical bullshit.
>
> Once again you show your ignoraice. The iphone OS is not available
> to end users. Only developers. End users are not developers.

i've said it before, *any* end user can sign up as a developer and
download it if they want it. they can even pirate it.

iphone os 4 is very definitely available to anyone who wants it. in
fact, there are even iphones with 4.0 beta sold on ebay.

> End users of the Nexus One have access to android 2.2, so it is available
> to end users.

*only* for the nexus one, and it's a prerelease.

for every single other android handset it's vapor.
From: Justin on
nospam wrote on [Mon, 31 May 2010 18:42:15 -0700]:
> In article <hu1o6g$u9q$1(a)news.eternal-september.org>, Justin
> <nospam(a)insightbb.com> wrote:
>
>> > calling a prerelease version of android non-vapor and a pre-release
>> > version of iphone os 4 vapor is to be blunt, hypocritical bullshit.
>>
>> Once again you show your ignoraice. The iphone OS is not available
>> to end users. Only developers. End users are not developers.
>
> i've said it before, *any* end user can sign up as a developer and
> download it if they want it. they can even pirate it.

Only if you have a Mac, the vast majority of people don't have one.

So, using your own standards, it's only available to a miniscule number
of users so it's vapor.

> iphone os 4 is very definitely available to anyone who wants it. in
> fact, there are even iphones with 4.0 beta sold on ebay.

You forget we have been talking about legally and ethically here.

>> End users of the Nexus One have access to android 2.2, so it is available
>> to end users.
>
> *only* for the nexus one, and it's a prerelease.

And it's available.

> for every single other android handset it's vapor.

Vapourware means unreleased, at all. The number of people who can use it
is irrelevant.


From: nospam on
In article <hu1s4s$cbq$1(a)news.eternal-september.org>, Justin
<nospam(a)insightbb.com> wrote:

> > i've said it before, *any* end user can sign up as a developer and
> > download it if they want it. they can even pirate it.
>
> Only if you have a Mac, the vast majority of people don't have one.

you do not need a mac to sign up and download the firmware. you only
need a mac write apps.

> So, using your own standards, it's only available to a miniscule number
> of users so it's vapor.

nope, it's available to anyone who wants it.
>
> > iphone os 4 is very definitely available to anyone who wants it. in
> > fact, there are even iphones with 4.0 beta sold on ebay.
>
> You forget we have been talking about legally and ethically here.

just saying there are alternatives. signing up as a developer is legit.

> >> End users of the Nexus One have access to android 2.2, so it is available
> >> to end users.
> >
> > *only* for the nexus one, and it's a prerelease.
>
> And it's available.

it's not the final release. it's a beta.

> > for every single other android handset it's vapor.
>
> Vapourware means unreleased, at all. The number of people who can use it
> is irrelevant.

then it's vapor.

there is no released version of android 2.2 for droid users or the htc
evo, the phone that google gave out to google io attendees. you'd think
they'd at least have had it on those.

only *one* model phone has it, and it's a prerelease beta version.
From: Justin on
nospam wrote on [Mon, 31 May 2010 19:51:32 -0700]:
> In article <hu1s4s$cbq$1(a)news.eternal-september.org>, Justin
> <nospam(a)insightbb.com> wrote:
>
>> > for every single other android handset it's vapor.
>>
>> Vapourware means unreleased, at all. The number of people who can use it
>> is irrelevant.
>
> then it's vapor.
>
>
> only *one* model phone has it, and it's a prerelease beta version.

Which is it?