Does God need to prove He exists?
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From: rbwinn on 29 Jun 2008 23:20 On Jun 29, 1:57�pm, The Natural Philosopher <a...(a)b.c> wrote: > Chris Shore wrote: > > "rbwinn" <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote in message > >news:621f5b5c-8511-45b7-ae9f-03c8a9914fd5(a)s50g2000hsb.googlegroups.com... > > >> Well, they do now that I have brought up the subject of Hezekiah's > >> tunnel and the earthen ramp, which can both be seen today. �Before > >> that, they were saying there was nothing in the Bible that was not > >> mythology and nothing in the Bible that could be proven. �Atheists say > >> whatever they think will fly. �It just so happened that I knew about > >> Hezekiah's tunnel, so what they usually say was not sufficient for > >> this conversation. �So now they are saying that the Bible has some > >> history in it, but they are not happy about having to say that. �They > >> would rather be saying what they said when this conversation started, > >> that the Bible is nothing but mythology. > > > Of course the Bibel has some history in it. And of course some of it > > is verifiable. So are various parts of various other ancient texts from > > other > > ancient historical/religious cultures. This prove absolutely nothing. > > > Chris > > Other than that people occasionally tell the truth, and write it down.- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - Well, I can compare the Biblical account of the Assyrian invasion of Judea with the ideas that atheists of today have about it and see that the Biblical account is the one that makes sense. Hezekiah's tunnel was made to divert water from a spring outside the city wall inside Jerusalem to hide it so that the Assyrians could not use it when they beseiged Jerusalem. Robert B. Winn
From: rbwinn on 29 Jun 2008 23:21 On Jun 29, 2:04 pm, The Natural Philosopher <a...(a)b.c> wrote: > rbwinn wrote: > > On Jun 27, 7:02�pm, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: > >> Chris Shore wrote: > >>> "rbwinn" <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote in message > >>>news:621f5b5c-8511-45b7-ae9f-03c8a9914fd5(a)s50g2000hsb.googlegroups.com.... > >>>> Well, they do now that I have brought up the subject of Hezekiah's > >>>> tunnel and the earthen ramp, which can both be seen today. �Before > >>>> that, they were saying there was nothing in the Bible that was not > >>>> mythology and nothing in the Bible that could be proven. �Atheists say > >>>> whatever they think will fly. �It just so happened that I knew about > >>>> Hezekiah's tunnel, so what they usually say was not sufficient for > >>>> this conversation. �So now they are saying that the Bible has some > >>>> history in it, but they are not happy about having to say that. �They > >>>> would rather be saying what they said when this conversation started, > >>>> that the Bible is nothing but mythology. > >>> Of course the Bibel has some history in it. And of course some of it > >>> is verifiable. So are various parts of various other ancient texts from > >>> other > >>> ancient historical/religious cultures. This prove absolutely nothing. > >> How is this difficult to understand? Three thousand posts suggest that > >> it is.- Hide quoted text - > > >> - Show quoted text - > > > Well, there you go again denying the existence of Hezekiah's tunnel. > > The existence of Hezekiah's tunnel proves that the Bible is accurate > > aboput there being a conduit for water between Gihon Spring and the > > Pool of Siloam. > > Robert B. Winn > > With respect. so what? > > No one denies that along with many other ancient texts, there is a great > deal of historical fact, semi fact as well as lots of other stuff. > > There is, for example, a very accurate description of pyroclastic flow - > something no one in modern times had really seen and understood - by a > Roman historian describing Pompeii. (Pliny. writing probably around the > time of the crucifixion: AD 35 or so) > > Does this menathat everything Pliny wrote is total historical fact? No. > Though much of it eems to be., > > Does this mean we should base a religion on what he wrote? No.- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - Well, that would be up to you. Atheists have all manner of false idols. Their main one is money. Robert B. Winn
From: rbwinn on 29 Jun 2008 23:26 On Jun 29, 2:11 pm, The Natural Philosopher <a...(a)b.c> wrote: > rbwinn wrote: > > On Jun 27, 6:54�pm, "Smiler" <Smi...(a)Joe.King.com> wrote: > >> "rbwinn" <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote in message > > >>news:93faee1e-7aa9-4f18-b761-3a585ebcbaf0(a)v1g2000pra.googlegroups.com.... > >> On Jun 26, 5:05 am, RobertL <robertml...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > >>> On Jun 26, 4:48 am, rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote: > >>>> On Jun 25, 7:27?pm, "Smiler" <Smi...(a)Joe.King.com> wrote: > >>>>>> Actually, you ought to consider the consequences of a proof by God > >>>>>> that he does not exist. > >>>>> If that were to happen, people would have no choice except to believe > >>>>> in God. > >>>>> Why should anyone believe in a proven non-existent god? > >>>> Proven by whom? > >> By god himself! > > >>> A proof is a proof; it doesn't matter who proved it. > >>> Robert > >> Well, if there was no one who proved it, and nothing was proven, then > >> it did not happen. > >> ----------------------------------- > >> Just like your bible stories. > > > Well, I believed in the story of Hezekiah's tunnel being dug, and sure > > enough, there is a tunnel there today, just as the Bible says there > > is.  How do you explain it? > > ER..there was a tunnel? > > So what? > > > > > Robert B. Winn- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - Well, if there was an atheist anywhere who would admit that the verses of the Bible which describe the construction of the tunnel were true, then we could discuss other verses. As long as atheists claim that Hezekiah's tunnel is a myth, then we will just discuss Hezekiah's tunnel. Robert B. Winn
From: Smiler on 29 Jun 2008 23:28 "The Natural Philosopher" <a(a)b.c> wrote in message news:1214773113.19557.2(a)proxy01.news.clara.net... > Chris Shore wrote: >> "rbwinn" <rbwinn3(a)juno.com> wrote in message >> news:621f5b5c-8511-45b7-ae9f-03c8a9914fd5(a)s50g2000hsb.googlegroups.com... >> >>> Well, they do now that I have brought up the subject of Hezekiah's >>> tunnel and the earthen ramp, which can both be seen today. Before >>> that, they were saying there was nothing in the Bible that was not >>> mythology and nothing in the Bible that could be proven. Atheists say >>> whatever they think will fly. It just so happened that I knew about >>> Hezekiah's tunnel, so what they usually say was not sufficient for >>> this conversation. So now they are saying that the Bible has some >>> history in it, but they are not happy about having to say that. They >>> would rather be saying what they said when this conversation started, >>> that the Bible is nothing but mythology. >> >> Of course the Bibel has some history in it. And of course some of it >> is verifiable. So are various parts of various other ancient texts from >> other >> ancient historical/religious cultures. This prove absolutely nothing. >> >> Chris >> >> > Other than that people occasionally tell the truth, and write it down. Unlike Robbie. Smiler, The godless one a.a.# 2279
From: Dogmantic Pyrrhonist (AKA Al) on 29 Jun 2008 23:42
On Jun 29, 9:21 am, "Smiler" <Smi...(a)Joe.King.com> wrote: > "BuddyThunder" <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote in message > > news:4865bc76$1(a)clear.net.nz... > > > > > rbwinn wrote: > >> On Jun 27, 8:49?am, "pba...(a)worldonline.nl" <pba...(a)worldonline.nl> > >> wrote: > >>> On 26 jun, 03:13, rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote: > > >>>>>>>>> Reading comprehension (for most of us) has nothing to do with > >>>>>>>>> prior > >>>>>>>>> beliefs. > >>>>>>>>> I can comprehend many books that I don't happen to believe are > >>>>>>>>> truth. > >>>>>>>>> If I had ever read any, Harry Potter books would be good examples. > >>>>>>>> Whjy would you read a Harry Potter book if you comprehended it? > >>>>>>>> Robert B. Winn > >>>>>>> Light entertainment. > >>>>>>> Why do you read if you don't comprehend? > >>>>>>> Al- Hide quoted text - > >>>>>> Well, each to his own. ?I never met an atheist yet who did not > >>>>>> believe > >>>>>> in Harry Potter. > >>>>>> Robert B. Winn- Tekst uit oorspronkelijk bericht niet weergeven - > >>>>> You mean to say you never met an atheist?- Hide quoted text - > >>>> I have met atheists. ?I have never met one who did not think Harry > >>>> Potter was some kind of superhero who was going to defeat > >>>> Christianity. > >>>> Robert B. Winn- Tekst uit oorspronkelijk bericht niet weergeven - > >>>> - Tekst uit oorspronkelijk bericht weergeven - > >>> You have only met Atheistic children? > >>> Where did you meet them, > >>> and why didn't you meet there parents?- Hide quoted text - > > >>> - Show quoted text - > > >> Atheists do not normally have children. If they are going to have > >> children, they usually kill them before they are born, so I have only > >> met adult atheists. They are the ones who believe in Harry Potter. > > > Yeah, then we eat the foetus. Then we prowl the neighbourhood looking for > > small Christian children. Then we torture them into renouncing their gods, > > then we eat them too. You're priceless! > > That reminds me! When's the next EAC <ntie> barbeque? > I've not eaten BBQ'd devilled baby <yummmy> for ages! > > Smiler, > The godless one > a.a.# 2279 Arg! You can't BBQ them! Crumbing and deep frying the only way to go! Al |