Does God need to prove He exists?
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From: rbwinn on 30 Jun 2008 03:11 On Jun 29, 4:16�pm, raven1 <quoththera...(a)nevermore.com> wrote: > On Sun, 29 Jun 2008 15:29:33 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> > wrote: > > > > > > >On Jun 29, 8:44?am, Free Lunch <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote: > >> On Sun, 29 Jun 2008 07:26:23 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> > >> wrote in alt.atheism: > > >> >On Jun 29, 12:13?am, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: > >> >> rbwinn wrote: > >> >> > On Jun 28, 2:15 pm, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: > >> >> >> rbwinn wrote: > >> >> >>> On Jun 28, 7:04?am, Free Lunch <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote: > >> >> >>>> On Sat, 28 Jun 2008 07:01:05 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> > >> >> >>>> wrote in alt.atheism: > >> >> >>>>> On Jun 28, 12:21?am, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: > >> >> >>>>>> rbwinn wrote: > >> >> >>>> ... > >> >> >>>>>>> No, you were trying to hedge your bets. ?You do not believe in faith, > >> >> >>>>>>> but you are "on the edge of faith", so that counts in case you need to > >> >> >>>>>>> have faith. ?I know how atheists think. > >> >> >>>>>> Why would I need to hedge my bets? I believe in faith, I just don't > >> >> >>>>>> think it's rational. And believe me, you really *don't* know how > >> >> >>>>>> atheists think.- Hide quoted text - > >> >> >>>>>> - Show quoted text - > >> >> >>>>> I know far better than atheists how they think. ?They have made a > >> >> >>>>> wrong choice, so their options are limited. > >> >> >>>> Your lies are indefensible. You celebrate the evil that you have fallen > >> >> >>>> into. > >> >> >>> I thought you atheists did not believe evil exists. ?If there is no > >> >> >>> devil, everything is good, isn't it? > >> >> >> Evil sounds like a religious concept to me, but why would you think that > >> >> >> we can't differentiate right from wrong. Another strawman? > > >> >> >> We seem to be able to discuss without lying, can you?- Hide quoted text - > > >> >> >> - Show quoted text - > > >> >> > Sure. ?A while back you were saying that there was nothing wrong with > >> >> > killing children before they are born. ?So are you saying that killing > >> >> > children before they are born is a good thing? > > >> >> Where did I say that? Can you show me, or is that another lie? Abortion > >> >> is deeply unpleasant, however I don't think it should be banned. They're > >> >> not children yet, by the way.- Hide quoted text - > > >> >> - Show quoted text - > > >> >Not children yet? ?What do you think they are? > > >> Embryos and fetuses.- Hide quoted text - > > >> - Show quoted text - > > >So you are saying that people who call them unborn children are lying? > > No, they're playing semantic games. Children, by definition, have been > born. I suppose one *could* refer to a fetus as an "unborn child", in > the same way that one could refer to an egg as an "unmade omelet", but > it would be a silly thing to do.- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - Sorry, atheists, we have the word child as it was used more than two thousand years ago. Luke 2:5 To be taxed with Mary his espoused wife being great with child. Robert B. Winn
From: rbwinn on 30 Jun 2008 03:13 On Jun 29, 4:25�pm, raven1 <quoththera...(a)nevermore.com> wrote: > On Sun, 29 Jun 2008 15:49:51 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> > wrote: > > >> Technically speaking, they are parasites living off a grown female.- Hide quoted text - > > >> - Show quoted text - > > >Well, thank you for your answer, Alex. �So human beings > > Nice try. Human beings, by definition, have been born. A fetus is not > yet a person, albeit it has the potential to be one. Further, even if > one was to grant that a fetus was a human being, it is not clear to me > why its need to be carried for nine months would somehow trump an > adult woman's right to control her own body, especially if the > pregnancy was unwanted, unplanned, or occurred by force. > > >are nothing > >except parasites in atheist theology. > > There is no such thing as "atheist theology". Atheism is the absence > of belief in deities, and implies no other political, moral, or > philosophical position. Atheists fall along the entire political > spectrum, including those who oppose abortion. I have never seen an atheist who opposes abortion. I believe that pro- life atheists are mythological. Robert B. Winn
From: rbwinn on 30 Jun 2008 03:14 On Jun 29, 4:45�pm, "Steve O" <nospamh...(a)thanks.com> wrote: > "rbwinn" <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote in message > > news:68d35cf9-1115-4814-9643-e424c848ef6c(a)w8g2000prd.googlegroups.com... > > > > > Well, in my opinion we will never go any further than the scripture in > > Isaiah that says a conduit for water was dug between Gihon spring and > > the Pool of Siloam. �But notice one thing. �We have already probably > > set the record for the length of a conversation between atheists and a > > Christian. > > This wasn't a conversation. > It was a tedious exercise in attempting to demonstrate logic and reason to > someone who is clearly incapable of understanding either concept. > > > Now atheists will no doubt say that the conversation was > > not inspiring for them. �But at this point the goal is to establish > > that a conversation of more than a few words can take place between an > > atheist and a normal person. > > Robert B. Winn > > I would hardly class you as a normal person. > Well, how you classify me is a matter of complete indifference to me. Robert B. Winn
From: rbwinn on 30 Jun 2008 03:15 On Jun 29, 6:59�pm, "Alex W." <ing...(a)yahoo.co.uk> wrote: > "rbwinn" <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote in message > > news:0757195d-ffee-49da-97e8-39de11b42bb4(a)d19g2000prm.googlegroups.com... > On Jun 29, 10:55?am, "Alex W." <ing...(a)yahoo.co.uk> wrote: > > > "rbwinn" <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote in message > > >news:6ba076e7-8a36-4286-be86-11052530ded2(a)k13g2000hse.googlegroups.com.... > > > Well, you have to understand that no man knoweth the day and the > > hour. ?Anyone who claims they do will be proven wrong. > > > =============== > > > Wrong. > > >http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/article.php?scid=8&did=190 > > Well, the subject we were discussing was the Second Coming of Christ. > Are you saying that this information about executions is somehow > relevant? > > -========== > > Only insofar as it disproves your claim that no man knoweth the hour. The hour of an execution is not the same as the hour of the Second coming of Christ. I just thought you might want to have that pointed out. Robert B. Winn
From: rbwinn on 30 Jun 2008 03:19
On Jun 29, 7:42 pm, "Dogmantic Pyrrhonist (AKA Al)" <alwh...(a)optusnet.com.au> wrote: > On Jun 27, 10:36 pm, rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote: > > > > > > > On Jun 22, 1:04 pm, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: > > > > rbwinn wrote: > > > > On Jun 21, 4:09 pm, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: > > > >> rbwinn wrote: > > > >>> On Jun 21, 8:16�am, "Alex W." <ing...(a)yahoo.co.uk> wrote: > > > >>>> "Steve O" <nospamh...(a)thanks.com> wrote in message > > > >>>>news:6c4ja8F3erpl2U1(a)mid.individual.net... > > > >>>>> If you think that Harry Potter is fiction then you must also think that > > > >>>>> London doesn't exist right? > > > >>>>> You'd better tell that to all of the people who live there, it may come as > > > >>>>> a surprise to them. > > > >>>> Like the esteemed Mr Winn Esq, London councils have no doubt whatsoever > > > >>>> about the existence of London. �At least, that is what they profess when > > > >>>> they send out council tax demands. > > > >>> Taxes.  Well, that is something that should convince some atheists. > > > >>> Taxes are something they will never deny. > > > >> Are taxes evidence that any gods exist?- Hide quoted text - > > > > >> - Show quoted text - > > > > > Taxes are evidence that atheists exist. > > > > I'm sure that you believe that. Why should we? > > > > Who needs more evidence that atheists exist? Some supporting evidence > > > for gods would be of more intersest.- Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > Well, we offered the Bible as evidence, and you said that it was all > > mythology. > > No, I think you'll find "we" said it was a book, and not what anyone > would call evidence. > > >Then we said, what about the parts that tell of Hezekiah's > > tunnel and the earthen ramp the Assyrian army built over the city wall > > when they took Lachish? Those can still be seen today. > > And we said so what?  What does that have to do with the other bits > you're claiming are true. > > > No, Harry > > Potter left from the train station in London to go to wizard's school, > > so the city of London does not exist. > > But I know a man from London.  He says that Harry Potter does not > > exist.  Atheists do not believe that I know a man from London. > > Tell me how a supporting evidence means anything to an atheist. > > Robert B. Winn > > And then you exhibited willful misinterpretation of everything anyone > said and proceeded to mumble on about fictional characters. > > Al- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - I did not misrepresent anything any atheist said. If they want to try to change a discussion about Hezekiah's tunnel into a discussion of Harry Potter, I will refer back to Harry Potter, but it was not my mistake. Robert B. Winn |