Does God need to prove He exists?
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From: BuddyThunder on 30 Jun 2008 03:20 Alex W. wrote: > "BuddyThunder" <nospam(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote in message > news:4867eccb$1(a)clear.net.nz... >> Alex W. wrote: >>> "BuddyThunder" <nospam(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote in message >>> news:486737ee$1(a)clear.net.nz... >>>> rbwinn wrote: >>> >>>>> I know. Abortion was imported here from Europe. >>>> I'm not European either. <shrug> >>> Pakeha? >> Bingo! :-) > > That's not a Maori word. > Is it? Aye, that it is, but no-one's quite sure where it came from. In the wider sense it just means non-Maori New Zealander. I recently discovered a thimbleful Maori blood in my veins, but not much!
From: rbwinn on 30 Jun 2008 03:21 On Jun 29, 7:43 pm, "Dogmantic Pyrrhonist (AKA Al)" <alwh...(a)optusnet.com.au> wrote: > On Jun 27, 10:40 pm, rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote: > > > > > > > On Jun 22, 1:09 pm, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: > > > > rbwinn wrote: > > > > On Jun 21, 4:17 pm, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: > > > >> rbwinn wrote: > > > >>> On Jun 21, 4:14 am, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: > > > >>>> rbwinn wrote: > > > >>>>> On Jun 20, 3:40 pm, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: > > > >>>>>> rbwinn wrote: > > > >>>>>>> On Jun 19, 12:06�am, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net..nz> wrote: > > > >>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: > > > >>>>>>>> <snip> > > > >>>>>>>>> Well, what you are saying is that the Biblical account of the Assyrian > > > >>>>>>>>> invasion of Judea is fiction. �What part of it do you claim is > > > >>>>>>>>> fiction? �So far we have discussed the earthen ramp and Hezekiah's > > > >>>>>>>>> tunnel. �Are you still claiming that those are fiction? > > > >>>>>>>> You're still claiming London doesn't exist, huh? > > > >>>>>>>> I don't know either account, so really don't have an opinion. Have you > > > >>>>>>>> considered that maybe neither account is accurate? If pressed, I would > > > >>>>>>>> go with the explanation with the best evidential support. I don't have a > > > >>>>>>>> reason to decide at this point. > > > >>>>>>>> Happy to be agnostic on something! > > > >>>>>>> OK, well, my opinion is that unless an atheist has an opinion about > > > >>>>>>> Hezekiah's tunnel and the earthen ramp, it is a waste of time to try > > > >>>>>>> to discuss the Bible with that person. > > > >>>>>> Wow, why would you say that? It's a minor Biblical detail. > > > >>>>>> They exist, is that opinion enough?- Hide quoted text - > > > >>>>>> - Show quoted text - > > > >>>>> Well, any person who will not admit that someing exists which can be > > > >>>>> seen is not going to admit the existence of things which cannot be > > > >>>>> seen.  So conversation with atheists is totally unprofitable. > > > >>>> No-one *ever* denied their existence. If they did, then you have > > > >>>> consistently denied that London exists too. > > > >>>> All we demand is logical consistency. Would you like to talk about Harry > > > >>>> Potter again? ;-)- Hide quoted text - > > > >>>> - Show quoted text - > > > >>> No reason to talk about Harry Potter.  There never was. > > > >> Then there was no reason to talk about Hezekiah's tunnel or earthern > > > >> ramps either. I agree with you. :-)- Hide quoted text - > > > > >> - Show quoted text - > > > > > You said you wanted to talk about the Bible.  So now are you saying > > > > that you only want to discuss the parts of the Bible that you select? > > > > I don't remember saying that, maybe if you could point me to the post? I > > > don't remember selecting the topic of discussion either, you brought up > > > Hezekiah's tunnel and invading army ramps. Discuss what you like Robert, > > > we might even find some common ground!- Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > Well, actions speak louder than words.  You do not want to discuss > > Hezekiah's tunnel.  You do not want to discuss the earthen ramp.  You > > will discuss certain verses of the Bible you can find fault with. > > Robert B. Winn > > What purpose would discussing sections of a book that people can find > agreement on? > > Al- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - That is what we do at church every Sunday. Why don't you join us, Al? Robert B. Winn
From: BuddyThunder on 30 Jun 2008 03:23 Smiler wrote: > "BuddyThunder" <nospam(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote in message > news:48673819$1(a)clear.net.nz... >> Smiler wrote: >>> "BuddyThunder" <nospam(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote in message >>> news:4865bc76$1(a)clear.net.nz... >>>> rbwinn wrote: >>>>> On Jun 27, 8:49?am, "pba...(a)worldonline.nl" <pba...(a)worldonline.nl> >>>>> wrote: >>>>>> On 26 jun, 03:13, rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Reading comprehension (for most of us) has nothing to do with >>>>>>>>>>>> prior >>>>>>>>>>>> beliefs. >>>>>>>>>>>> I can comprehend many books that I don't happen to believe are >>>>>>>>>>>> truth. >>>>>>>>>>>> If I had ever read any, Harry Potter books would be good >>>>>>>>>>>> examples. >>>>>>>>>>> Whjy would you read a Harry Potter book if you comprehended it? >>>>>>>>>>> Robert B. Winn >>>>>>>>>> Light entertainment. >>>>>>>>>> Why do you read if you don't comprehend? >>>>>>>>>> Al- Hide quoted text - >>>>>>>>> Well, each to his own. ?I never met an atheist yet who did not >>>>>>>>> believe >>>>>>>>> in Harry Potter. >>>>>>>>> Robert B. Winn- Tekst uit oorspronkelijk bericht niet weergeven - >>>>>>>> You mean to say you never met an atheist?- Hide quoted text - >>>>>>> I have met atheists. ?I have never met one who did not think Harry >>>>>>> Potter was some kind of superhero who was going to defeat >>>>>>> Christianity. >>>>>>> Robert B. Winn- Tekst uit oorspronkelijk bericht niet weergeven - >>>>>>> - Tekst uit oorspronkelijk bericht weergeven - >>>>>> You have only met Atheistic children? >>>>>> Where did you meet them, >>>>>> and why didn't you meet there parents?- Hide quoted text - >>>>>> >>>>>> - Show quoted text - >>>>> Atheists do not normally have children. If they are going to have >>>>> children, they usually kill them before they are born, so I have only >>>>> met adult atheists. They are the ones who believe in Harry Potter. >>>> Yeah, then we eat the foetus. Then we prowl the neighbourhood looking >>>> for small Christian children. Then we torture them into renouncing their >>>> gods, then we eat them too. You're priceless! >>> That reminds me! When's the next EAC <ntie> barbeque? >>> I've not eaten BBQ'd devilled baby <yummmy> for ages! >> Next weekend, I'll kill the fatted child! > > That's how you keep the ratio stable....more sheep than people! > Save me a portion. Yeah.... *that's* how we keep the ratio... <uncertain smile> .... <distant baa> ...
From: BuddyThunder on 30 Jun 2008 03:24 Dogmantic Pyrrhonist (AKA Al) wrote: > On Jun 29, 9:21 am, "Smiler" <Smi...(a)Joe.King.com> wrote: >> "BuddyThunder" <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote in message >> >> news:4865bc76$1(a)clear.net.nz... >> >> >> >>> rbwinn wrote: >>>> On Jun 27, 8:49?am, "pba...(a)worldonline.nl" <pba...(a)worldonline.nl> >>>> wrote: >>>>> On 26 jun, 03:13, rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> Reading comprehension (for most of us) has nothing to do with >>>>>>>>>>> prior >>>>>>>>>>> beliefs. >>>>>>>>>>> I can comprehend many books that I don't happen to believe are >>>>>>>>>>> truth. >>>>>>>>>>> If I had ever read any, Harry Potter books would be good examples. >>>>>>>>>> Whjy would you read a Harry Potter book if you comprehended it? >>>>>>>>>> Robert B. Winn >>>>>>>>> Light entertainment. >>>>>>>>> Why do you read if you don't comprehend? >>>>>>>>> Al- Hide quoted text - >>>>>>>> Well, each to his own. ?I never met an atheist yet who did not >>>>>>>> believe >>>>>>>> in Harry Potter. >>>>>>>> Robert B. Winn- Tekst uit oorspronkelijk bericht niet weergeven - >>>>>>> You mean to say you never met an atheist?- Hide quoted text - >>>>>> I have met atheists. ?I have never met one who did not think Harry >>>>>> Potter was some kind of superhero who was going to defeat >>>>>> Christianity. >>>>>> Robert B. Winn- Tekst uit oorspronkelijk bericht niet weergeven - >>>>>> - Tekst uit oorspronkelijk bericht weergeven - >>>>> You have only met Atheistic children? >>>>> Where did you meet them, >>>>> and why didn't you meet there parents?- Hide quoted text - >>>>> - Show quoted text - >>>> Atheists do not normally have children. If they are going to have >>>> children, they usually kill them before they are born, so I have only >>>> met adult atheists. They are the ones who believe in Harry Potter. >>> Yeah, then we eat the foetus. Then we prowl the neighbourhood looking for >>> small Christian children. Then we torture them into renouncing their gods, >>> then we eat them too. You're priceless! >> That reminds me! When's the next EAC <ntie> barbeque? >> I've not eaten BBQ'd devilled baby <yummmy> for ages! >> >> Smiler, >> The godless one >> a.a.# 2279 > > Arg! You can't BBQ them! Crumbing and deep frying the only way to > go! > > Al Nice, kid-amari!
From: BuddyThunder on 30 Jun 2008 03:25
rbwinn wrote: > On Jun 28, 6:06�pm, Free Lunch <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote: >> On Sat, 28 Jun 2008 17:26:59 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> >> wrote in alt.atheism: >> >> >> >> >> >>> On Jun 28, 12:50?pm, Free Lunch <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote: >>>> On Sat, 28 Jun 2008 12:11:54 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> >>>> wrote in alt.atheism: >>>>> On Jun 28, 7:17?am, Free Lunch <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote: >>>>>> On Sat, 28 Jun 2008 07:05:42 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> >>>>>> wrote in alt.atheism: >>>>>>> On Jun 28, 12:26?am, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: >>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: >>>>>>>>> On Jun 27, 6:42?pm, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> Jack wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> I am upset by *people* who >>>>>>>>>>>> believe that the Bible is anything more than mythology and try ?to impose >>>>>>>>>>>> their >>>>>>>>>>>> beliefs on me ?using the Bible as evidence. >>>>>>>>>>> How can someone impose a belief on you? ?Just believe whatever you want to >>>>>>>>>>> believe. >>>>>>>>>> The wrong part is when people attempt to use the myth to formulate >>>>>>>>>> public policy or indoctrinate children or inform foreign policy. >>>>>>>>> Well, actually they use fables. ?The apostles Paul said they would be >>>>>>>>> turned to fables in the last days. ?A fable is a story about animals >>>>>>>>> like the story about monkeys turning into humans. >>>>>>>> Wow, you're ignorant about evolution. Colour me surprised. >>>>>>> In what way am I ignorant about evolution? >>>>>> Monkeys and humans do share a common ancestor. Your denial of the fact >>>>>> does not change that fact.- Hide quoted text - >>>>>> - Show quoted text - >>>>> Charles Darwin was not my ancestor. >>>> So? >>>> Evolution happens. Learn to deal with reality.- Hide quoted text - >>>> - Show quoted text - >>> I never have believed in evolution. �I think it is a fable, just as >>> Paul said it was. >> Paul knew nothing about it. You mock the Bible with such silly >> interpretations of it.- Hide quoted text - >> >> - Show quoted text - > > I just believe what Paul said. You seem a little upset that I do not > believe your fable. Can you please identify what he said about it? Please? |