Does God need to prove He exists?
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From: BuddyThunder on 30 Jun 2008 03:42 The Natural Philosopher wrote: > BuddyThunder wrote: >> rbwinn wrote: >>> On Jun 27, 6:54�pm, "Smiler" <Smi...(a)Joe.King.com> wrote: >>>> "rbwinn" <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote in message >>>> >>>> news:93faee1e-7aa9-4f18-b761-3a585ebcbaf0(a)v1g2000pra.googlegroups.com... >>>> >>>> On Jun 26, 5:05 am, RobertL <robertml...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> On Jun 26, 4:48 am, rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote: >>>>>> On Jun 25, 7:27?pm, "Smiler" <Smi...(a)Joe.King.com> wrote: >>>>>>>> Actually, you ought to consider the consequences of a proof by God >>>>>>>> that he does not exist. >>>>>>> If that were to happen, people would have no choice except to >>>>>>> believe >>>>>>> in God. >>>>>>> Why should anyone believe in a proven non-existent god? >>>>>> Proven by whom? >>>> By god himself! >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> A proof is a proof; it doesn't matter who proved it. >>>>> Robert >>>> Well, if there was no one who proved it, and nothing was proven, then >>>> it did not happen. >>>> ----------------------------------- >>>> Just like your bible stories. >>>> >>> Well, I believed in the story of Hezekiah's tunnel being dug, and sure >>> enough, there is a tunnel there today, just as the Bible says there >>> is. How do you explain it? >> >> They dug a tunnel. It got written about. What's the big deal? > > Hell, even I have dug a tunnel. Therefore, Loki exists. Hey, this is FUN! :-)
From: BuddyThunder on 30 Jun 2008 03:45 rbwinn wrote: > On Jun 29, 2:11 pm, The Natural Philosopher <a...(a)b.c> wrote: >> rbwinn wrote: >>> On Jun 27, 6:54�pm, "Smiler" <Smi...(a)Joe.King.com> wrote: >>>> "rbwinn" <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote in message >>>> news:93faee1e-7aa9-4f18-b761-3a585ebcbaf0(a)v1g2000pra.googlegroups.com... >>>> On Jun 26, 5:05 am, RobertL <robertml...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: >>>>> On Jun 26, 4:48 am, rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote: >>>>>> On Jun 25, 7:27?pm, "Smiler" <Smi...(a)Joe.King.com> wrote: >>>>>>>> Actually, you ought to consider the consequences of a proof by God >>>>>>>> that he does not exist. >>>>>>> If that were to happen, people would have no choice except to believe >>>>>>> in God. >>>>>>> Why should anyone believe in a proven non-existent god? >>>>>> Proven by whom? >>>> By god himself! >>>>> A proof is a proof; it doesn't matter who proved it. >>>>> Robert >>>> Well, if there was no one who proved it, and nothing was proven, then >>>> it did not happen. >>>> ----------------------------------- >>>> Just like your bible stories. >>> Well, I believed in the story of Hezekiah's tunnel being dug, and sure >>> enough, there is a tunnel there today, just as the Bible says there >>> is. How do you explain it? >> ER..there was a tunnel? >> >> So what? >> >> >> >>> Robert B. Winn- Hide quoted text - >> - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - >> >> - Show quoted text - > > Well, if there was an atheist anywhere who would admit that the verses > of the Bible which describe the construction of the tunnel were true, > then we could discuss other verses. As long as atheists claim that > Hezekiah's tunnel is a myth, then we will just discuss Hezekiah's > tunnel. We'll admit that when you admit that there's a magic platform at Kings Cross station as described in Harry Potter. The Bible writers could've been writing fiction about a real place. Why do you discount this interpretation of the evidence?
From: BuddyThunder on 30 Jun 2008 03:55 rbwinn wrote: > On Jun 29, 1:56�pm, The Natural Philosopher <a...(a)b.c> wrote: >> rbwinn wrote: >>> Well, they do now that I have brought up the subject of Hezekiah's >>> tunnel and the earthen ramp, which can both be seen today. �Before >>> that, they were saying there was nothing in the Bible that was not >>> mythology and nothing in the Bible that could be proven. �Atheists say >>> whatever they think will fly. �It just so happened that I knew about >>> Hezekiah's tunnel, so what they usually say was not sufficient for >>> this conversation. �So now they are saying that the Bible has some >>> history in it, but they are not happy about having to say that. �They >>> would rather be saying what they said when this conversation started, >>> that the Bible is nothing but mythology. >>> Robert B. Winn >> If you are as wrong about what is in the bible as you are about what >> people you have never apparently et think about it..God help you. ;-) > > I have read the Bible a couple of times. What other people think > about it is up to them. Where they make their mistake is when they > think they are going to tell me what I think about it. Another baseless accusation. You're the one with the strawman opinion of atheists. You're totally free to believe whatever magical nonsense you want, just don't expect anyone to accept it without rational basis. Your thoughts, such as they are, are totally your own. See how nice and tollerant us atheists are? :-)
From: hhyapster on 30 Jun 2008 04:18 On Jun 28, 9:59 pm, rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote: > On Jun 28, 12:19 am, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: > > > > > rbwinn wrote: > > > On Jun 27, 6:38 pm, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: > > >> rbwinn wrote: > > >>> On Jun 22, 12:58 pm, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: > > >>>> rbwinn wrote: > > >>>>> On Jun 21, 5:07 pm, Darrell Stec <darrell_s...(a)webpagesorcery.com> > > >>>>> wrote: > > >>>>>> rbwinn wrote: > > >>>>>>> On Jun 20, 4:22 pm, Darrell Stec <darrell_s...(a)webpagesorcery.com> > > >>>>>>> wrote: > > >>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: > > >>>>>>>>> On Jun 20, 3:35 am, Darrell Stec <darrell_s...(a)webpagesorcery..com> > > >>>>>>>>> wrote: > > >>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: > > >>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 19, 8:22 am, Darrell Stec <darrell_s...(a)webpagesorcery.com> > > >>>>>>>>>>> wrote: > > >>>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 18, 3:50 pm, Darrell Stec > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> <darrell_s...(a)webpagesorcery.com> wrote: > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 18, 10:11�am, Darrell Stec > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <darrell_s...(a)webpagesorcery.com> wrote: > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 17, 2:53�am, Darrell Stec > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <darrell_s...(a)webpagesorcery.com> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Well, I analyzed the Bible. �What I find is that God > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> would not want His children to die and just cease to be > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> or to be punished forever, so He sent his Son to > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> overcome death. �Because of wickedness, we see today > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that most people will reject God's gift of eternal life. > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Robert B. Winn > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Let me ask you a question. �Who would know more about LDS > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> theology, one of the churches twelve apostles, or a Hari > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Krishna monk> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Who do you think would know more about LDS theology? �Why > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> do you ask? Robert B. Winn > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Evasion noted. �Why are you afraid to answer a couple of easy > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> questions? Why do you think I would ask? �Could it be the > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> answer might be obvious? > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Well, if the answer is obvious, then there was no reason to > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ask the question. Go ahead and say whatever you were going to > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> say. Robert B. Winn > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Why are you afraid to tell us whether or not one of the 12 > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> apostles of the Mormon church would know more about LDS theology > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> than an Hari Krishna monk? What are you afraid of? I know the > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> answer, but I don't know if you do and that is why I am asking. > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Later, > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Darrell Stec dars...(a)neo.rr.com > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Well, why don't you just make up your own mind about that? > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Robert B. Winn > > >>>>>>>>>>>> I already have made an informed and knowledgeable opinion. I am > > >>>>>>>>>>>> trying to find out what you believe (asking what you think would be > > >>>>>>>>>>>> unfair because you are shooting without bullets) to be the case. > > >>>>>>>>>>>> Why are you afraid to answer the question? Is it because it has > > >>>>>>>>>>>> never been discussed in bible school and you have nothing to copy > > >>>>>>>>>>>> and paste? Go ask your bishop what he thinks, as you allow others > > >>>>>>>>>>>> to think for you until you pull stupid things out of thin air. > > >>>>>>>>>>>> -- > > >>>>>>>>>>> Well, why don't you ask my bishop yourself? > > >>>>>>>>>> What is his name, email address, physical address and phone number and > > >>>>>>>>>> I will ask him. I'll also send him a list of your more insane > > >>>>>>>>>> postings. > > >>>>>>>>>>> I told you athiests > > >>>>>>>>>>> before that I was not going to be your researcher. > > >>>>>>>>>> What research do you need to do to answer a question as to whether an > > >>>>>>>>>> apostle of your church's council of twelve would know more about LDS > > >>>>>>>>>> philosophy than a Hari Krishna monk? That is a person opinion. Or do > > >>>>>>>>>> you mean that nobody told you what to think in regard to the question > > >>>>>>>>>> so you can't copy and paste it? > > >>>>>>>>>>> If you want to know what I believe,I can give you name to the > > >>>>>>>>>>> missionaries as a referral , and they can tell you what I beleive. > > >>>>>>>>>> Why can't you give us your opinion yourself? Why are you having so > > >>>>>>>>>> many problems answering an easy question? What are you afraid of? > > >>>>>>>>>>> Robert B. Winn > > >>>>>>>>> Well, the General Authorities of our church have counseled us to avoid > > >>>>>>>>> contention with other churches. So if you have some bone to pick with > > >>>>>>>>> the Hare Kirshna church, leave me out of it. > > >>>>>>>>> Robert B. Winn > > >>>>>>>> Why are you avoiding the question? Why is it so difficult for you to > > >>>>>>>> answer the question? It is a simple one. Whom do you think knows more > > >>>>>>>> about LDS theology, one of the twelve apostles making up the council of > > >>>>>>>> the LDS church or a Hari Krishna monk? What are you afraid of.. > > >>>>>>>> Certainly there is no injunction in your church against answering the > > >>>>>>>> question. Why are you avoiding it? > > >>>>>>> I am not avoiding it. You said the answer is obvious, so obviously, > > >>>>>>> you already know the answer. > > >>>>>>> Robert B. Winn > > >>>>>> I know the answer to the question. I do not know what YOUR answer to the > > >>>>>> question is because you are too afraid to answer a simple, direct question. > > >>>>>> Why is that? I want to know what YOUR answer to the question is.. > > >>>>>> -- > > >>>>> Well, just write to church headquarters in Salt Lake City and get an > > >>>>> official answer from the church. Anything I could tell you would only > > >>>>> be my own opinion. > > >>>> Anything they tell us would only be theirs.- Hide quoted text - > > >>>> - Show quoted text - > > >>> Well, so you are going to make up something then and attribute it to > > >>> us. We have seen this before. > > >> I'm not sure where this claim comes from, can you tell me?- Hide quoted text - > > > >> - Show quoted text - > > > > It came from me. > > > Maybe if you could show me where I did that? Why won't you back up > > anything you say?- Hide quoted text - > > > - Show quoted text - > > Well, for instance, I said that Hezekiah's tunnel exists, and you and > other atheists claimed that I had said that London, England, does not > exist. I did not say a thing about London, England. It all came from > atheists. > Robert B. Winn You have no capability to understand anything? You mentioned that tunnel exited and therefore bible is true. We mentioned London existed and therefore Harry Potter is true, by your own same contention. But you twist the argument; and this shows your brain really has a problem... you need us to recommend one good particular psychiatrist to help ?
From: hhyapster on 30 Jun 2008 04:26
On Jun 28, 10:04 pm, Free Lunch <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote: > On Sat, 28 Jun 2008 06:59:13 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> > wrote in alt.atheism: > > >On Jun 28, 12:19 am, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: > >> rbwinn wrote: > > ... > > >> > It came from me. > > >> Maybe if you could show me where I did that? Why won't you back up > >> anything you say?- Hide quoted text - > > >> - Show quoted text - > > >Well, for instance, I said that Hezekiah's tunnel exists, and you and > >other atheists claimed that I had said that London, England, does not > >exist. I did not say a thing about London, England. It all came from > >atheists. > > You lie to us, once again. Please, don't post another post that contains > lies. Learn to be honest. Stop mocking the religion you claim to be part > of and stop mocking the God you claim to worship. Your lies are a stench > upon the world. It all boils down to psycho problem. He is not himself or he can't help himself. And I am not sure if he knows that he lied. I have ask if he need a recommendation for a good psychiatric doctor, but certainly there is no medicine to help him. |