Does God need to prove He exists?
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From: hhyapster on 30 Jun 2008 05:01 On Jun 29, 9:06 am, Free Lunch <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote: > On Sat, 28 Jun 2008 17:26:59 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> > wrote in alt.atheism: > > > > >On Jun 28, 12:50?pm, Free Lunch <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote: > >> On Sat, 28 Jun 2008 12:11:54 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> > >> wrote in alt.atheism: > > >> >On Jun 28, 7:17?am, Free Lunch <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote: > >> >> On Sat, 28 Jun 2008 07:05:42 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> > >> >> wrote in alt.atheism: > > >> >> >On Jun 28, 12:26?am, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: > >> >> >> rbwinn wrote: > >> >> >> > On Jun 27, 6:42?pm, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: > >> >> >> >> Jack wrote: > >> >> >> >>>> I am upset by *people* who > >> >> >> >>>> believe that the Bible is anything more than mythology and try ?to impose > >> >> >> >>>> their > >> >> >> >>>> beliefs on me ?using the Bible as evidence. > >> >> >> >>> How can someone impose a belief on you? ?Just believe whatever you want to > >> >> >> >>> believe. > >> >> >> >> The wrong part is when people attempt to use the myth to formulate > >> >> >> >> public policy or indoctrinate children or inform foreign policy. > > >> >> >> > Well, actually they use fables. ?The apostles Paul said they would be > >> >> >> > turned to fables in the last days. ?A fable is a story about animals > >> >> >> > like the story about monkeys turning into humans. > > >> >> >> Wow, you're ignorant about evolution. Colour me surprised. > > >> >> >In what way am I ignorant about evolution? > > >> >> Monkeys and humans do share a common ancestor. Your denial of the fact > >> >> does not change that fact.- Hide quoted text - > > >> >> - Show quoted text - > > >> >Charles Darwin was not my ancestor. > > >> So? > > >> Evolution happens. Learn to deal with reality.- Hide quoted text - > > >> - Show quoted text - > > >I never have believed in evolution. I think it is a fable, just as > >Paul said it was. > > Paul knew nothing about it. You mock the Bible with such silly > interpretations of it. OK, but since bible is just a fairy tale stories, why can't he mock it? I myself will mock this story book.
From: hhyapster on 30 Jun 2008 05:05 On Jun 29, 3:04 pm, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: > rbwinn wrote: > > On Jun 28, 6:36 am, mizlee <miz...(a)aol.com> wrote: > >> On Jun 27, 9:47 pm, rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote: > > >>> On Jun 27, 9:04 am, mizlee <miz...(a)aol.com> wrote: > >>>> On Jun 27, 8:37�am, rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote: > >>>>> Teachers hired to teach in public schools are trained in college to > >>>>> teach atheism. > >>>>> Robert B. Winn- > >>>> As a former public school teacher, I am in a really, really good > >>>> position to tell you that you are an absolute, bald-faced liar, in > >>>> addition to being a barking mad looney. Seriously, dude, you need > >>>> professional help. > >>> So how did you get a teaching job if you did not go to college? > >>> Robert B. Winn > >> As a matter of fact, you lying whackjob, I have gone to three > >> colleges, and have degrees from all of them. And you are still an > >> absolute, bald-faced-liar, in addition to being a barking mad looney. > >> But, by all means, keep posting. The more that rational people are > >> exposed to those of your deluded ilk, the more they are turned off by > >> religion. It really is no coincidence, you know, that young people in > >> particular are rejecting religion in droves, especially christianity, > >> and over all, people who self describe themselves as having no > >> religion have doubled in the last ten years. The PEW Forum puts the > >> unaffiliated at 16%, the largest since the American Revolution; they > >> are increasingly disgusted with the baggage of religion - intolerance, > >> bigotry, hatred, self-righteousness, anti-abortion, anti stem-cell > >> research, anti-everything-progressive - and are now the second-largest > >> "religious" group in the country. Keep it up, you are a perfect > >> representative of everything that is evil in this country.- Hide quoted text - > > >> - Show quoted text - > > > Well, but I do not deny the existence of Hezekiah's tunnel the way > > atheists do. > > Did you know that the Bible prophesies that in the last days men would > > be lovers of themselves more than lovers of God? > > No, but you're happy to ignore London in the South of England. Weird, > that! The Bible says lots of stuff. Like bats are birds. Ancient people were never of modern caliber. Anything that flew in the sky were birds......... The ancient Jews couldn't have written 21st century correct classification of animals, otherwise the bible would not have been called "lies".
From: The Natural Philosopher on 30 Jun 2008 06:16 rbwinn wrote: > On Jun 29, 1:56�pm, The Natural Philosopher <a...(a)b.c> wrote: >> rbwinn wrote: >>> Well, they do now that I have brought up the subject of Hezekiah's >>> tunnel and the earthen ramp, which can both be seen today. �Before >>> that, they were saying there was nothing in the Bible that was not >>> mythology and nothing in the Bible that could be proven. �Atheists say >>> whatever they think will fly. �It just so happened that I knew about >>> Hezekiah's tunnel, so what they usually say was not sufficient for >>> this conversation. �So now they are saying that the Bible has some >>> history in it, but they are not happy about having to say that. �They >>> would rather be saying what they said when this conversation started, >>> that the Bible is nothing but mythology. >>> Robert B. Winn >> If you are as wrong about what is in the bible as you are about what >> people you have never apparently et think about it..God help you. ;-) > > I thought you said you did not believe in God. If he exists, unlike fairies, he doesn't need me to believe in him to stay in existence does he? I neither believe nor disbelieve: I merely find the concept wholly unecessary and unhelpful, so mostly I don't even think about it. My beliefes suh as they are, are nt matters of Faith. They are simple ad hoc assumptions about the nature of things, that allow me to oerate in a logical fashion. I.e. I take it for he case of rational analysis of the world, that it is not chaotic: I work on the basis of there being Natural Law. I see no need or helpfulness to introduce any element of intelligence in the human sense, or purpose in the humans sense, into the matter. Those are human qualities: there is no reason to suppose that the world as it really is (rather than as we perceive it) is in any way human like. Wht the Natural laws are, and whether that concept is ultimately valuable in the anslsysia, are not article of faith: they are open to question and re-evaluation at any time. > Robert B. Winn
From: The Natural Philosopher on 30 Jun 2008 06:18 rbwinn wrote: > On Jun 29, 1:57�pm, The Natural Philosopher <a...(a)b.c> wrote: >> Chris Shore wrote: >>> "rbwinn" <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote in message >>> news:621f5b5c-8511-45b7-ae9f-03c8a9914fd5(a)s50g2000hsb.googlegroups.com... >>>> Well, they do now that I have brought up the subject of Hezekiah's >>>> tunnel and the earthen ramp, which can both be seen today. �Before >>>> that, they were saying there was nothing in the Bible that was not >>>> mythology and nothing in the Bible that could be proven. �Atheists say >>>> whatever they think will fly. �It just so happened that I knew about >>>> Hezekiah's tunnel, so what they usually say was not sufficient for >>>> this conversation. �So now they are saying that the Bible has some >>>> history in it, but they are not happy about having to say that. �They >>>> would rather be saying what they said when this conversation started, >>>> that the Bible is nothing but mythology. >>> Of course the Bibel has some history in it. And of course some of it >>> is verifiable. So are various parts of various other ancient texts from >>> other >>> ancient historical/religious cultures. This prove absolutely nothing. >>> Chris >> Other than that people occasionally tell the truth, and write it down.- Hide quoted text - >> >> - Show quoted text - > > Well, I can compare the Biblical account of the Assyrian invasion of > Judea with the ideas that atheists of today have about it And you will find that I, as an Atheist of Today, have no opinion on its historical accuracy one way or the other. > and see that > the Biblical account is the one that makes sense. Hezekiah's tunnel > was made to divert water from a spring outside the city wall inside > Jerusalem to hide it so that the Assyrians could not use it when they > beseiged Jerusalem. Sounds perfectly sensible to me. Knowing nothing and caring less about that particular bible story. So we can see that either your 'atheists of today' are manufactured inside your own head, or they aren't like me, who is an atheist of today. So really I can't help ou there. > Robert B. Winn
From: The Natural Philosopher on 30 Jun 2008 06:20
rbwinn wrote: > On Jun 29, 2:04 pm, The Natural Philosopher <a...(a)b.c> wrote: >> rbwinn wrote: >>> On Jun 27, 7:02�pm, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: >>>> Chris Shore wrote: >>>>> "rbwinn" <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote in message >>>>> news:621f5b5c-8511-45b7-ae9f-03c8a9914fd5(a)s50g2000hsb.googlegroups.com... >>>>>> Well, they do now that I have brought up the subject of Hezekiah's >>>>>> tunnel and the earthen ramp, which can both be seen today. �Before >>>>>> that, they were saying there was nothing in the Bible that was not >>>>>> mythology and nothing in the Bible that could be proven. �Atheists say >>>>>> whatever they think will fly. �It just so happened that I knew about >>>>>> Hezekiah's tunnel, so what they usually say was not sufficient for >>>>>> this conversation. �So now they are saying that the Bible has some >>>>>> history in it, but they are not happy about having to say that. �They >>>>>> would rather be saying what they said when this conversation started, >>>>>> that the Bible is nothing but mythology. >>>>> Of course the Bibel has some history in it. And of course some of it >>>>> is verifiable. So are various parts of various other ancient texts from >>>>> other >>>>> ancient historical/religious cultures. This prove absolutely nothing. >>>> How is this difficult to understand? Three thousand posts suggest that >>>> it is.- Hide quoted text - >>>> - Show quoted text - >>> Well, there you go again denying the existence of Hezekiah's tunnel. >>> The existence of Hezekiah's tunnel proves that the Bible is accurate >>> aboput there being a conduit for water between Gihon Spring and the >>> Pool of Siloam. >>> Robert B. Winn >> With respect. so what? >> >> No one denies that along with many other ancient texts, there is a great >> deal of historical fact, semi fact as well as lots of other stuff. >> >> There is, for example, a very accurate description of pyroclastic flow - >> something no one in modern times had really seen and understood - by a >> Roman historian describing Pompeii. (Pliny. writing probably around the >> time of the crucifixion: AD 35 or so) >> >> Does this menathat everything Pliny wrote is total historical fact? No. >> Though much of it eems to be., >> >> Does this mean we should base a religion on what he wrote? No.- Hide quoted text - >> >> - Show quoted text - > > Well, that would be up to you. Atheists have all manner of false > idols. Their main one is money. I thoufht tat was teh atholi church or Jews actually. Most atheists dont worship anything at all, apart from perhaps the rational and critical faculty, and even there they should realise they are on shaky ground. Cf Kant's 'Critique of Pure Reason' > Robert B. Winn |