Does God need to prove He exists?
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From: rbwinn on 30 Jun 2008 22:44 On Jun 30, 3:09�pm, "Steve O" <nospamh...(a)thanks.com> wrote: > "rbwinn" <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote in message news:61174020-7051-443b-87a2- > > I have never seen an atheist who opposes abortion. �I believe that pro- > > life atheists are mythological. > > Robert B. Winn > > You've never seen one, but you have communicated with one. > I am an atheist who is opposed to abortion. > We are no longer mythological. > How do you reconcile that with your twisted worldview? > > -- > Steve O > a.a. #2240 (Apatheist Chapter) > B.A.A.W.A. > Convicted by Earthquack, > Exempt from purgatory by papal indulgence > "I have a miraculous picture of Jesus - if you look really closely at the > face, you can see a burnt tortilla" Well, to be honest, Steve, I do not believe you. Robert B. Winn
From: Dogmantic Pyrrhonist (AKA Al) on 30 Jun 2008 23:08 On Jul 1, 10:21 am, rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote: > On Jun 30, 1:03 pm, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: > > > > > rbwinn wrote: > > > On Jun 29, 11:50 pm, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: > > >> rbwinn wrote: > > >>> On Jun 29, 10:57�am, "Alex W." <ing...(a)yahoo.co.uk> wrote: > > >>>> "rbwinn" <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote in message > > >>>>news:1c31d316-2b91-43f6-b6c0-3fb4dbf97774(a)z72g2000hsb.googlegroups.com... > > >>>> On Jun 29, 12:13 am, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: > > >>>>> rbwinn wrote: > > >>>>>> On Jun 28, 2:15 pm, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: > > >>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: > > >>>>>>>> On Jun 28, 7:04?am, Free Lunch <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote: > > >>>>>>>>> On Sat, 28 Jun 2008 07:01:05 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno..com> > > >>>>>>>>> wrote in alt.atheism: > > >>>>>>>>>> On Jun 28, 12:21?am, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: > > >>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: > > >>>>>>>>> ... > > >>>>>>>>>>>> No, you were trying to hedge your bets. ?You do not believe in > > >>>>>>>>>>>> faith, > > >>>>>>>>>>>> but you are "on the edge of faith", so that counts in case you > > >>>>>>>>>>>> need to > > >>>>>>>>>>>> have faith. ?I know how atheists think. > > >>>>>>>>>>> Why would I need to hedge my bets? I believe in faith, I just don't > > >>>>>>>>>>> think it's rational. And believe me, you really *don't* know how > > >>>>>>>>>>> atheists think.- Hide quoted text - > > >>>>>>>>>>> - Show quoted text - > > >>>>>>>>>> I know far better than atheists how they think. ?They have made a > > >>>>>>>>>> wrong choice, so their options are limited. > > >>>>>>>>> Your lies are indefensible. You celebrate the evil that you have > > >>>>>>>>> fallen > > >>>>>>>>> into. > > >>>>>>>> I thought you atheists did not believe evil exists. If there is no > > >>>>>>>> devil, everything is good, isn't it? > > >>>>>>> Evil sounds like a religious concept to me, but why would you think > > >>>>>>> that > > >>>>>>> we can't differentiate right from wrong. Another strawman? > > >>>>>>> We seem to be able to discuss without lying, can you?- Hide quoted > > >>>>>>> text - > > >>>>>>> - Show quoted text - > > >>>>>> Sure. A while back you were saying that there was nothing wrong with > > >>>>>> killing children before they are born. So are you saying that killing > > >>>>>> children before they are born is a good thing? > > >>>>> Where did I say that? Can you show me, or is that another lie? Abortion > > >>>>> is deeply unpleasant, however I don't think it should be banned. They're > > >>>>> not children yet, by the way.- Hide quoted text - > > >>>>> - Show quoted text - > > >>>> Not children yet? �What do you think they are? > > >>>> =============== > > >>>> Technically speaking, they are parasites living off a grown female.- Hide quoted text - > > >>>> - Show quoted text - > > >>> Well, thank you for your answer, Alex. So human beings are nothing > > >>> except parasites in atheist theology. > > >> Read it again, this time trying to understand as you go.- Hide quoted text - > > > > I understood it exactly the first time I read it. > > > Then why the misrepresentation of what was said? No implication was made > > that "human beings are nothing except parasites". You misunderstood, or > > lied. Which was it?- Hide quoted text - > > > - Show quoted text - > > This guy says that a baby in its mother's womb is nothing but a > parasite on the mother, and you say, No implication was made that > "human beings are nothing except parasites". I believe that if > something is a parasite when it is in its mother's womb, then it is a > parasite after it leaves its mother's womb. A parasite is never > anything except a parasite. > Robert B. Winn Well, you've just once again flaunted your ignorance on the internet. This time about biology, which isn't very surprising. Al
From: Dogmantic Pyrrhonist (AKA Al) on 30 Jun 2008 23:10 On Jul 1, 10:31 am, rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote: > On Jun 30, 2:57�pm, "Steve O" <nospamh...(a)thanks.com> wrote: > > > "rbwinn" <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote in message news:deedcfe4-50c8-4aba-9a1f- > > > I am still in the religion I was born in. �I picked the religion I am in > > > before I > > > was born. > > > Robert B. Winn > > > Probably the most idiotic thing you have ever said. > > Go on, I dare you try and explain this statement without looking like the > > fool you are. > > > -- > > Steve O > > Jeremiah chapter 1. > Robert B. Winn That's Jeremiah the Bullfrog Al
From: BuddyThunder on 1 Jul 2008 02:55 Steve O wrote: > > > "rbwinn" <rbwinn3(a)juno.com> wrote in message > news:291c27c6-c718-49d9-b9cd-c3d3df7d18b6(a)p25g2000pri.googlegroups.com... >> On Jun 30, 3:05 pm, "Steve O" <nospamh...(a)thanks.com> wrote: >>> "rbwinn" <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote in message >>> >>> news:5421b8a8-3b91-4b3b-b6a6-d6db5f4ce845(a)s33g2000pri.googlegroups.com... >>> >>> >>> > On Jun 29, 9:46�am, raven1 <quoththera...(a)nevermore.com> wrote: >>> >> On Sun, 29 Jun 2008 07:23:07 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> >>> >> wrote: >>> >>> >> >No, I do not have difficulty following conversations. �Atheists said >>> >> >that there was nothing in the Bible that could be proven. >>> >>> >> No atheist claims such a ridiculous thing. Obviously there are things >>> >> in the Bible that can be proven. It is trivial, for example to >>> >> demonstrate the existence of the city of Jerusalem, so I don't know >>> >> why you're so insistent on the existence of a particular tunnel being >>> >> significant. >>> >>> Because he has nothing else? >>> Sad, really, isn't it? >>> >>> snip >>> >>> > Well, you claim to believe in Jerusalem even though it is mentioned in >>> > the Bible. So why is it so impossible for an atheist to admit the >>> > existence of Hezekiah's tunnel? >>> > Robert B. Winn >>> >>> I have already agreed that the tunnel, together with others not >>> mentioned in >>> the bible, does exist. >>> Your move. >>> >>> -- >>> Steve O >>> a.a. #2240 (Apatheist Chapter) >>> B.A.A.W.A. >>> Convicted by Earthquack, >>> Exempt from purgatory by papal indulgence >>> "I have a miraculous picture of Jesus - if you look really closely at >>> the >>> face, you can see a burnt tortilla" >> >> I don't think you are really being sincere about this, Steve. You >> seem to be more of a tunnel believer impersonator than a true >> believer. > > Nope- I've done a little research, and found out more about your tunnel > and a couple of others too, one older than yours. > I am a sincere tunnel believer. Weird huh? He hasn't been able to say why this is of critical importance. After more than 3500 posts in the thread, I'm still none the wiser. He seems to be of the opinion that this means that God exists, but I don't know how he drew that conclusion. > > However, believing in the tunnel will not save you. > > Save me from what? > >> Disbelieving in the tunnel will not condemn you. Well, now we have >> reached this point in our conversation. By the way, this has probably >> been the longest conversation between atheists and a Christian that >> ever took place. >> Robert B. Winn > > I hardly think so. >
From: BuddyThunder on 1 Jul 2008 02:58
rbwinn wrote: > On Jun 30, 12:57 pm, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: >> rbwinn wrote: >>> On Jun 29, 11:47 pm, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: >>>> rbwinn wrote: >>>>> On Jun 29, 12:59 pm, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: >>>>>> rbwinn wrote: >>>>>>> On Jun 29, 12:08 am, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: >>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: >>>>>>>>> On Jun 28, 2:08 pm, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 28, 12:11 am, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 27, 6:37�pm, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 22, 12:57 pm, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ask other readers here to help me recompose them with a grammar and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> vocabulary appropos for a first or second grade pupil so you can comprehend >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and then answer them. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Robert B. Winn >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> All public schools are required to teach atheism. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Please explain how, specifically, they are doing that. Sounding like >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> another sacred lie...- Hide quoted text - >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - Show quoted text - >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Teachers hired to teach in public schools are trained in college to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> teach atheism. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Is it explicit in their contract? Can you justify that claim? <chirpiing >>>>>>>>>>>>>> crickets>- Hide quoted text - >>>>>>>>>>>>> Well, yes it is explicit in their contract. If someone prayed in >>>>>>>>>>>>> school the way my sixth grade teacher did, he would be fired. >>>>>>>>>>>> I didn't know they had a prayer clause in there. You learn something new >>>>>>>>>>>> every day. Don't you think religion belongs at home, not at school?- Hide quoted text - >>>>>>>>>>>> - Show quoted text - >>>>>>>>>>> Well, the Bible says that true religion is to help the widow and the >>>>>>>>>>> fatherless in their time of affliction. Why shouldn't widows and >>>>>>>>>>> fatherless people be helped at school? >>>>>>>>>> Feel free to offer some actual help rather than religion. Unless you can >>>>>>>>>> show that you're right and everyone else is wrong, but you're not doing >>>>>>>>>> well on that score.- Hide quoted text - >>>>>>>>>> - Show quoted text - >>>>>>>>> Well, we religious people spend time helping widows and fatherless >>>>>>>>> people. How are you atheists doing with that? >>>>>>>> Deluded people do not have the altruism market cornered, no matter what >>>>>>>> you'd like to believe.- Hide quoted text - >>>>>>>> - Show quoted text - >>>>>>> So you are saying that you actually believe some religious people are >>>>>>> helping widows and orphans. That is very open minded for an atheist. >>>>>> Ummm... thanks? What you think I believe is clearly hugely different >>>>>> from what I really believe. Is this your mischaracterisation, or have >>>>>> you been lied to?- Hide quoted text - >>>>>> - Show quoted text - >>>>> Well, no, Paul was telling the truth when he said that true religion >>>>> was caring for widows and the fatherless. >>>> That's a religious opinion that I don't share. "True religion" is a >>>> difficult phrase to talk sensibly about - no religion is able to >>>> demonstrate much objective truth more impressive than an old tunnel.- Hide quoted text - >>>> - Show quoted text - >>> Well, the only reason I used the old tunnel was because it was >>> something that atheists could come to understand after a long time. >>> After enough repetitions, even an atheist cannot make a disconnect >>> between what was written and what exists. >> There are much more mundane examples in the Bible that prove just as >> much. Egypt, Jerusalem, the Nile, they're all places mentioned in the >> Bible that really exist. What's your point. People write nice stories >> about real places, so what? >> >> Why would you base your life around one? And why that one?- Hide quoted text - >> >> - Show quoted text - > > If I were to mention the Nile or Jerusalem, or the Jordan River that > would have been something that atheists already knew about. So what? They prove just as much. > This way > I get atheists scrambling all over the internet looking up Hezekiah's > tunnel. Then they all pretend they already knew all about the tunnel > but are not going to admit it exists. The tunnel is a much more > effective demonstration of atheistic reaction to truth. Didn't exactly have to scramble, a quick trip to Wikipedia was all that I required. Not exactly bulletproof, but much more reliable than the Bible! ;-) Do you have some other point to make about it, I really don't know what your basic claim actually is. Just that the Bible is partially based on real places? |