Does God need to prove He exists?
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From: BuddyThunder on 1 Jul 2008 03:32 rbwinn wrote: > On Jun 30, 12:25�am, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: >> Free Lunch wrote: >>> On Sun, 29 Jun 2008 15:15:20 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> >>> wrote in alt.atheism: >>>> On Jun 28, 6:06?pm, Free Lunch <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote: >>>>> On Sat, 28 Jun 2008 17:26:59 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> >>>>> wrote in alt.atheism: >>>>>> On Jun 28, 12:50?pm, Free Lunch <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote: >>>>>>> On Sat, 28 Jun 2008 12:11:54 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> >>>>>>> wrote in alt.atheism: >>>>>>>> On Jun 28, 7:17?am, Free Lunch <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote: >>>>>>>>> On Sat, 28 Jun 2008 07:05:42 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> >>>>>>>>> wrote in alt.atheism: >>>>>>>>>> On Jun 28, 12:26?am, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 27, 6:42?pm, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> Jack wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I am upset by *people* who >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> believe that the Bible is anything more than mythology and try ?to impose >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> their >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> beliefs on me ?using the Bible as evidence. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> How can someone impose a belief on you? ?Just believe whatever you want to >>>>>>>>>>>>>> believe. >>>>>>>>>>>>> The wrong part is when people attempt to use the myth to formulate >>>>>>>>>>>>> public policy or indoctrinate children or inform foreign policy. >>>>>>>>>>>> Well, actually they use fables. ?The apostles Paul said they would be >>>>>>>>>>>> turned to fables in the last days. ?A fable is a story about animals >>>>>>>>>>>> like the story about monkeys turning into humans. >>>>>>>>>>> Wow, you're ignorant about evolution. Colour me surprised. >>>>>>>>>> In what way am I ignorant about evolution? >>>>>>>>> Monkeys and humans do share a common ancestor. Your denial of the fact >>>>>>>>> does not change that fact.- Hide quoted text - >>>>>>>>> - Show quoted text - >>>>>>>> Charles Darwin was not my ancestor. >>>>>>> So? >>>>>>> Evolution happens. Learn to deal with reality.- Hide quoted text - >>>>>>> - Show quoted text - >>>>>> I never have believed in evolution. ?I think it is a fable, just as >>>>>> Paul said it was. >>>>> Paul knew nothing about it. You mock the Bible with such silly >>>>> interpretations of it.- Hide quoted text - >>>>> - Show quoted text - >>>> I just believe what Paul said. �You seem a little upset that I do not >>>> believe your fable. >>> Your problem is that you _lied_ about what Paul said. He _never_ said >>> that evolution was a fable. That was the lie you told, one you cannot >>> back up with _anything_ in the Bible, not from Paul, not from anywhere. >> It's gotta be tough to keep 'em all in a row this far down the road!- Hide quoted text - >> >> - Show quoted text - > > Well, if Paul had named Charles Darwin by name, atheists would claim > he was not talking about evolution. So he wasn't explicitly talking about evolution? That was a lie, wasn't it?
From: BuddyThunder on 1 Jul 2008 03:32 Free Lunch wrote: > On Mon, 30 Jun 2008 12:26:07 -0700 (PDT), in alt.atheism > rbwinn <rbwinn3(a)juno.com> wrote in > <b804ab27-a92f-4ef2-a69c-54dd80028462(a)j33g2000pri.googlegroups.com>: >> On Jun 30, 12:25?am, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: >>> Free Lunch wrote: >>>> On Sun, 29 Jun 2008 15:15:20 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> >>>> wrote in alt.atheism: >>>>> On Jun 28, 6:06?pm, Free Lunch <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote: >>>>>> On Sat, 28 Jun 2008 17:26:59 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> >>>>>> wrote in alt.atheism: >>>>>>> On Jun 28, 12:50?pm, Free Lunch <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote: >>>>>>>> On Sat, 28 Jun 2008 12:11:54 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> >>>>>>>> wrote in alt.atheism: >>>>>>>>> On Jun 28, 7:17?am, Free Lunch <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 28 Jun 2008 07:05:42 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> >>>>>>>>>> wrote in alt.atheism: >>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 28, 12:26?am, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 27, 6:42?pm, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jack wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I am upset by *people* who >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> believe that the Bible is anything more than mythology and try ?to impose >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> their >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> beliefs on me ?using the Bible as evidence. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> How can someone impose a belief on you? ?Just believe whatever you want to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> believe. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> The wrong part is when people attempt to use the myth to formulate >>>>>>>>>>>>>> public policy or indoctrinate children or inform foreign policy. >>>>>>>>>>>>> Well, actually they use fables. ?The apostles Paul said they would be >>>>>>>>>>>>> turned to fables in the last days. ?A fable is a story about animals >>>>>>>>>>>>> like the story about monkeys turning into humans. >>>>>>>>>>>> Wow, you're ignorant about evolution. Colour me surprised. >>>>>>>>>>> In what way am I ignorant about evolution? >>>>>>>>>> Monkeys and humans do share a common ancestor. Your denial of the fact >>>>>>>>>> does not change that fact.- Hide quoted text - >>>>>>>>>> - Show quoted text - >>>>>>>>> Charles Darwin was not my ancestor. >>>>>>>> So? >>>>>>>> Evolution happens. Learn to deal with reality.- Hide quoted text - >>>>>>>> - Show quoted text - >>>>>>> I never have believed in evolution. ?I think it is a fable, just as >>>>>>> Paul said it was. >>>>>> Paul knew nothing about it. You mock the Bible with such silly >>>>>> interpretations of it.- Hide quoted text - >>>>>> - Show quoted text - >>>>> I just believe what Paul said. ?You seem a little upset that I do not >>>>> believe your fable. >>>> Your problem is that you _lied_ about what Paul said. He _never_ said >>>> that evolution was a fable. That was the lie you told, one you cannot >>>> back up with _anything_ in the Bible, not from Paul, not from anywhere. >>> It's gotta be tough to keep 'em all in a row this far down the road!- Hide quoted text - >>> >>> - Show quoted text - >> Well, if Paul had named Charles Darwin by name, atheists would claim >> he was not talking about evolution. > > You know you lied to us, but you are trying to run away from your > behavior when you were caught. It is not weakness to admit a mistake, Robert. We won't tell the other atheists.
From: BuddyThunder on 1 Jul 2008 03:34 rbwinn wrote: > On Jun 30, 12:25 am, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: >> rbwinn wrote: >>> On Jun 28, 6:06�pm, Free Lunch <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote: >>>> On Sat, 28 Jun 2008 17:26:59 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> >>>> wrote in alt.atheism: >>>>> On Jun 28, 12:50?pm, Free Lunch <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote: >>>>>> On Sat, 28 Jun 2008 12:11:54 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> >>>>>> wrote in alt.atheism: >>>>>>> On Jun 28, 7:17?am, Free Lunch <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote: >>>>>>>> On Sat, 28 Jun 2008 07:05:42 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> >>>>>>>> wrote in alt.atheism: >>>>>>>>> On Jun 28, 12:26?am, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 27, 6:42?pm, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> Jack wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I am upset by *people* who >>>>>>>>>>>>>> believe that the Bible is anything more than mythology and try ?to impose >>>>>>>>>>>>>> their >>>>>>>>>>>>>> beliefs on me ?using the Bible as evidence. >>>>>>>>>>>>> How can someone impose a belief on you? ?Just believe whatever you want to >>>>>>>>>>>>> believe. >>>>>>>>>>>> The wrong part is when people attempt to use the myth to formulate >>>>>>>>>>>> public policy or indoctrinate children or inform foreign policy. >>>>>>>>>>> Well, actually they use fables. ?The apostles Paul said they would be >>>>>>>>>>> turned to fables in the last days. ?A fable is a story about animals >>>>>>>>>>> like the story about monkeys turning into humans. >>>>>>>>>> Wow, you're ignorant about evolution. Colour me surprised. >>>>>>>>> In what way am I ignorant about evolution? >>>>>>>> Monkeys and humans do share a common ancestor. Your denial of the fact >>>>>>>> does not change that fact.- Hide quoted text - >>>>>>>> - Show quoted text - >>>>>>> Charles Darwin was not my ancestor. >>>>>> So? >>>>>> Evolution happens. Learn to deal with reality.- Hide quoted text - >>>>>> - Show quoted text - >>>>> I never have believed in evolution. �I think it is a fable, just as >>>>> Paul said it was. >>>> Paul knew nothing about it. You mock the Bible with such silly >>>> interpretations of it.- Hide quoted text - >>>> - Show quoted text - >>> I just believe what Paul said. You seem a little upset that I do not >>> believe your fable. >> Can you please identify what he said about it? Please?- Hide quoted text - >> >> - Show quoted text - > > 2 Tim 4:3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound > doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves > teachers, having itching ears; > 4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be > turned unto fables. I can't see any mention of evolution. I can't even see any description of the theory, or even a theistic strawman description. Can you help me out? You made a claim that seems difficult to substantiate.
From: BuddyThunder on 1 Jul 2008 03:39 rbwinn wrote: > On Jun 30, 1:15 pm, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: >> rbwinn wrote: >>> On Jun 29, 9:57�pm, Free Lunch <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote: >>>> On Sun, 29 Jun 2008 15:42:19 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> >>>> wrote in alt.atheism: >>>>> On Jun 29, 8:48?am, Free Lunch <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote: >>>>>> On Sun, 29 Jun 2008 07:48:40 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> >>>>>> wrote in alt.atheism: >>>>>>> On Jun 29, 12:22?am, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: >>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: >>>>>>>>> On Jun 28, 12:50?pm, Free Lunch <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 28 Jun 2008 12:11:54 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> >>>>>>>>>> wrote in alt.atheism: >>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 28, 7:17?am, Free Lunch <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 28 Jun 2008 07:05:42 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> >>>>>>>>>>>> wrote in alt.atheism: >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 28, 12:26?am, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 27, 6:42?pm, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jack wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I am upset by *people* who >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> believe that the Bible is anything more than mythology and try ?to impose >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> their >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> beliefs on me ?using the Bible as evidence. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> How can someone impose a belief on you? ?Just believe whatever you want to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> believe. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The wrong part is when people attempt to use the myth to formulate >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> public policy or indoctrinate children or inform foreign policy. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Well, actually they use fables. ?The apostles Paul said they would be >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> turned to fables in the last days. ?A fable is a story about animals >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> like the story about monkeys turning into humans. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Wow, you're ignorant about evolution. Colour me surprised. >>>>>>>>>>>>> In what way am I ignorant about evolution? >>>>>>>>>>>> Monkeys and humans do share a common ancestor. Your denial of the fact >>>>>>>>>>>> does not change that fact.- Hide quoted text - >>>>>>>>>>>> - Show quoted text - >>>>>>>>>>> Charles Darwin was not my ancestor. >>>>>>>>>> So? >>>>>>>>>> Evolution happens. Learn to deal with reality.- Hide quoted text - >>>>>>>>>> - Show quoted text - >>>>>>>>> I never have believed in evolution. ?I think it is a fable, just as >>>>>>>>> Paul said it was. >>>>>>>> Classic, got a scripture for that?- Hide quoted text - >>>>>>>> - Show quoted text - >>>>>>> Yes, we are still on the scripture in Isaiah that says that a tunnel >>>>>>> was dug as a conduit for water between Gihon spring and the pool of >>>>>>> Siloam. >>>>>> So, where is the evidence that the entire story is correct? The tunnel, >>>>>> as you know, is not evidence that the story is correct.- Hide quoted text - >>>>>> - Show quoted text - >>>>> Well, so you are still taking the position that there is no tunnel. >>>> Liar. >>> How long will ye halt between two opinions? Multitudes, multitudes in >>> the valley of decision, for the day of the Lord is near in the valley >>> of decision. >> 2000 years away kind of close? ;-P- Hide quoted text - >> >> - Show quoted text - > > It was close for those who made the right decision. Did we miss the rapture?! Seems to me that Christ's return ain't any closer for you lot than it is for us.
From: BuddyThunder on 1 Jul 2008 03:40
rbwinn wrote: > On Jun 30, 12:28 am, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: >> rbwinn wrote: >>> On Jun 29, 8:48�am, Free Lunch <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote: >>>> On Sun, 29 Jun 2008 07:48:40 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> >>>> wrote in alt.atheism: >>>>> On Jun 29, 12:22�am, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: >>>>>> rbwinn wrote: >>>>>>> On Jun 28, 12:50?pm, Free Lunch <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote: >>>>>>>> On Sat, 28 Jun 2008 12:11:54 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> >>>>>>>> wrote in alt.atheism: >>>>>>>>> On Jun 28, 7:17?am, Free Lunch <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 28 Jun 2008 07:05:42 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> >>>>>>>>>> wrote in alt.atheism: >>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 28, 12:26?am, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 27, 6:42?pm, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jack wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I am upset by *people* who >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> believe that the Bible is anything more than mythology and try ?to impose >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> their >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> beliefs on me ?using the Bible as evidence. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> How can someone impose a belief on you? ?Just believe whatever you want to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> believe. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> The wrong part is when people attempt to use the myth to formulate >>>>>>>>>>>>>> public policy or indoctrinate children or inform foreign policy. >>>>>>>>>>>>> Well, actually they use fables. ?The apostles Paul said they would be >>>>>>>>>>>>> turned to fables in the last days. ?A fable is a story about animals >>>>>>>>>>>>> like the story about monkeys turning into humans. >>>>>>>>>>>> Wow, you're ignorant about evolution. Colour me surprised. >>>>>>>>>>> In what way am I ignorant about evolution? >>>>>>>>>> Monkeys and humans do share a common ancestor. Your denial of the fact >>>>>>>>>> does not change that fact.- Hide quoted text - >>>>>>>>>> - Show quoted text - >>>>>>>>> Charles Darwin was not my ancestor. >>>>>>>> So? >>>>>>>> Evolution happens. Learn to deal with reality.- Hide quoted text - >>>>>>>> - Show quoted text - >>>>>>> I never have believed in evolution. �I think it is a fable, just as >>>>>>> Paul said it was. >>>>>> Classic, got a scripture for that?- Hide quoted text - >>>>>> - Show quoted text - >>>>> Yes, we are still on the scripture in Isaiah that says that a tunnel >>>>> was dug as a conduit for water between Gihon spring and the pool of >>>>> Siloam. >>>> So, where is the evidence that the entire story is correct? The tunnel, >>>> as you know, is not evidence that the story is correct.- Hide quoted text - >>>> - Show quoted text - >>> Well, so you are still taking the position that there is no tunnel. >>> If the tunnel exists, then it is evidence that the Biblical account of >>> the construction of the tunnel is correct. So it seems to me to >>> depend on whether or not there is a tunnel there. Jerusalem tour >>> guides say the tunnel is there and take tourists on tours through it. >>> Atheists say it is not there because the Bible describes its >>> construction. So we are discussing a religious difference. Atheists >>> want solid rock where tour guides say the tunnel is. They seem to >>> believe that if they have enough faith in atheism, the tunnel will >>> change to solid rock. >> Shall we start denying Jerusalem's existence just for kicks? You could >> make the same empty assertions about Jerusalem. Is it time to admit your >> intellectual bankruptcy? Why do you make no effort to be consistent?- Hide quoted text - >> >> - Show quoted text - > > Well I was consistent. From the beginning I said that Jerusalem was > there, Hezekiah's tunnel was there, London was there, Harry Potter was > not there. You're not logically consistent. At all. That is your right of course, I just couldn't swallow it myself! |